You have portrayed the reality in all its starkness. The most frightening part of it is this reality is going to be real for hundreds of years to come as almost all castes will be in some category leaving out maybe 5-10.or not even that.
But lets hope with more of these Univs we might be able to get away from the reservation in jobs and then promotions for no reason whatsoever.
Usha K Sankar
President
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What is to be does not necessarily have to be.
Let go or get dragged
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Stephen Narayanan <stepnrn@gmail.com> wrote:
So a new equation is created besides the existing caste/creed & religious diversification for a new and vibrant India which now wants to promote caste based society. Anybody who has a zeal for learning would rise and shine anyway and when one makes an attempt and puts one foot forward, he automatically discovers ways to progress ahead with available resources. Haven't we come across a peon or a maid or a watchman's daughter scoring distinction or bagging the top spot in IAS/IRS and other government exams? See attachment: Pic of IAS topper 3rd Rank Miss.Revathi, from Karnataka got selected for IAS Her parents are daily wagers. Her house is in the picture.She is a role model and an inspiration to all youngsters who are really interested to clear Civil Services.My wife shared a classic example with me about a newly promoted senior accounts officer in her department. Promoted means not on merits but in Government Organization your caste plays a major role in taking you forward and this is the reason why all and sundry want quota reservations as they want a life of relaxation without the burden of performance.Well, this gentleman got the benefit of caste reservation climbing up and due to seniority also the management had no option but to go according to the set rules...finally he reached the position of Head of Accounts but accounting was simply not in his head. All throughout his career he moved taking help from obliging colleagues who filled out for him but in the new designated position, he was on his own and was expected to have all the accounts and summaries readied in time to be shared with the management which he simply could not do as he neither understood the task to be done nor was he authoritative to get it done...the management now realized the problem and finally with remarks from all department heads/staff, he was shifted to another department where he could still continue with no work load or expectation from him. And this is the stark reality of most Government organizations where such people still occupy positions with no knowledge of the work they are performing,no career aspiration...just adrift in the ocean.So merely creating a University is just providing them dalits a tool but there has to be a drive an inner push for them to compete and get ahead which they have to create within them and here the visual media and the internet driven social media through mobiles can create an outreach. I do not want Government officials to be adrift and not perform and then get lagging behind...they too have children and it would be unfair to them if their parents were either set aside or find themselves out of job.Warm Regards,Stephen NarayananStephen NarayananFreelance Educational Consultant/Corporate Training facilitatorMob.:-9868386192On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Anil Kumar Dhagat <akdjbp@rediffmail.com> wrote:If having a separate university for Dalits means this special provisions is for All Have Not,s apart from religions/ Cast,/ Creature and so on.
In this case Who will decide Have and have Not,s ?
Dalits are those who are backwards socially, Financially, and culturally if So!
So in India there will be two communities : 1- Dalits 2- Adalits.
And cross community movements .. like a Dalit becomes Adalit by progressing socially, economically, Culturally,
or
A Adalit becomes Dalit due to his circumstances?
Whom about we are talking?
Who decides Dalit or Adalits?
Why We discriminate and sustain the feelings of difference?
why not all can prosper.together?
Have not,s can be accommodated all together under given system with effective governance and control over all universities existing in the country.
It can be a most effective thought in operations . no doubt! But socially , culturally, it will create Number game in politics .
May God help?
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For every category, a university can be born. Is government carrying the funds and education to the real DALITS or real Poor?A BIG question mark?Saiganesh
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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] India's first university only for Dalit students to come up in Hyderabad by 2018Dear All,
The initiation by Government is welcome but certain questions are to be clarified b coz who is going to get the benefit
1.The real Dalit who is deprived of education else
2. The so-called Dalit who are taking benefit from last 70 years.
These things to be clarified otherwise it will not benefit at all.
Why can't we think of Garib University for all section of the society not for any one section.
Thanking you all for your valuable thought.On 08-Jul-2017 9:28 PM, "kiran paranjpe" <kdparanjpe@rediffmail.com" target='_blank' rel=external>kdparanjpe@rediffmail.com > wrote:From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com" target='_blank' rel=external>join_mtc@googlegrSir, Dr Ambedkar envisioned a casteless society thru' enabling access to education that
is non denominational, scientific, ethical, modern and progressive. He had set a time
span before the Society and the Govt of just 10 years. This did not happen.
A Dalit University exclusively for Dalit students will provide the much needed access to
the students deprived of college education. The Name of the University can be anything.
So long as the products of such Universities can compete with other students on their own
merits, they will be accepted. Companies are casteless and today anyone can be an
entrepreneur.
Secondly, when there is a Buddhist University, a Muslim University, Christian UNiversity
or Sikh and Jain UNiversities then why can't there be a Dalit University. With no
theological, ideological or Cult baggage to propagate in education, these UNiversities
can provide education on scientific lines and this would be good for the entire society
and the nation. A point in fact, they may need to keep the reservations for the poor open
category candidates to be fully representative.
Best regards,
K.Paranjpe
On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 18:09:07 +0530 Venkatesh Ganapathy wrote
>Very enriching discussion indeed. However, students will have to come out in the open
and do a corporate job some day. If they say they are from a Dalit University, will the
corporate honchos treat them fairly? If our objective was to dispense away with the caste
system then this effort is like moving in the opposite direction. I have often seen that
(in a few cases at least) the Dalits who get scholarships are not the ones who need a
scholarship and the ones who need a scholarship are not in a position to claim the same.
All said and done, how can students get away from that tag that they are from a dalit
university? This is against the principle of diversity and inclusion which is a basic
requirement for strategically managing human capital. Tomorrow if we start having
separate classrooms for dalits etc then this is only going to be a case of divide and
destroy.
Such things must be carefully planned and must be bereft of the intention to seek
political mileage and increase the vote bank base.
I am all for empowerment of the downtrodden but it should be done in a sensible manner.
Regards
Venkatesh G
On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Mathew Anthony wrote:
I also noticed Usha's observation that this Dalit University idea would work elsewhere is
a "myth".
I agree that what makes the real difference in this case is extraordinary commitment of
Dr. R.S Parveen Kumar heading the whole movement happening in TSWERIS, and without such
wholly committed persons, emulation of such efforts elsewhere would be next to
impossible.
Such a position defeats the very argument of the approach to intervention in situations
diversity, equity and inclusion, and also the search for for excellence in our Indian set
up. I can understand, and subscribe to the view, that we need such extraordinarily
committed leadership in Dalit Universities elsewhere, to lend real meaning and substance
to equity and inclusion. This is exactly the reason why the Inclusion and Equity Cells
in the colleges, during the XI Plan remained as a tokenism, although the idea and vision
corresponds to Residential Ashram Schools in AP and elsewhere. I also thought like Prof.
Marmar Mukhopadyay that this idea is segregationist and its better to address inclusion
and equity within the existing higher education set up rather than having to have an
exclusive Dalit University for dalits. But, the fact is that is where India is today with
respect to Dalits education and condition in life.
That "Dalit University" is segregationist and not the "Minoirity Colleges"--with heady
mix of religion and caste like Christian, Muslim, Tribal (in Karnataka), Ezhavas, Nairs
(Kerala), Chettis, Naidus, Reddis (in TN and AP, and countless in other states): this
position skirts the issue, to say the least.
Therefore, I think there is need for more such Dalit Universities as envisioned in
Telengana, and not idealise this to such an extent to make such a wish a myth, as Usha
views it or to view if as segregationist.
Dr. A. Mathew, ICSSR Senior Fellow,NUEPA
On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 10:52 AM, kalpen shukla wrote:
Thanks Usha-ji for the information … didn't know about his work at all…. Dr Kumar is
legendary leader and he may pull-out another miracle with this experiment also …
Unless there is another "Dr R S Parveen Kumar", the idea remains fraught with risky
implications.
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Subject: Re: [MTC Global] India's first university only for Dalit students to come up in
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@ Kumar
" Please throw some more light on your line: To believe that this model will work
anywhere else would be a myth."
I said that because this whole movement happening in TSWERIS is a heady cocktail of
intense ,powerful, forceful leadership,commitment to a cause that is believed in from the
soul , intense faith in oneself and in change-transformation ,proactive thinking and
ability to take the risk to experiment with that thought. He gave me a program-he told me
that there were children who teachers said are academically challenged.I ,for my
part ,know and said there is no such category of children-yes, there are learning
disabilities,yes, there might be low academic achievement but no dull children-only
challenged teachers.We ran the program that is today run across all the instt. I am so
blessed
that the children with whom I worked for a fortnight changed completely from being
destructive to being committed.No other official could-will ever have the courage to do
what he did-experiment,find the best practices and implement it across .
Here is an IPS officer heading an IAS officers post in the organisation .a vet
turned IPS, he is voracious reader who rose from the same schools he is heading today.
How many
officers can we count who will come out of his office and not go away ,even if it is an
important meeting ,because someone who came to see him did not get an audience? He has an
amazing daughter too !
When he comes to the school to see the kids one has to see the frenzy of the children- I
have been constantly reminded of MGR!!
And therefore my belief that the model will work anywhere else-of course we can project
manage it ,but the human element-well I am not so sure.
Regards
Usha K Sankar
President
Co.Re Foundation
Partner
Tugboat Consulting and Marketing Services LLP
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2017-07-07 19:05 GMT+05:30 Usha Gowri :
I think this information has to be put in context .For one it looks like a trend but it
is not.
I had the pleasure of working with this instt :Telangana Social Welfare Residential
Educational Institutions Society (TSWREIS)
Two important factors govern this decision to open a University :one "which runs nearly
268 residential institutions for Dalit students from Class V to under-graduate level,
besides
the recently sanctioned 39 non-residential play schools with pre-primary education."
and the second:
TSWREIS secretary Dr R S Praveen Kumar
These are unique schools : it is for the reserved category and tribal children,
it is residential and well ,it is like no other school.Children from day one take an
oath that they will not be cowed down
by their birth or anyone in power.From day one they are made to learn and learn well
which just means they are on par with many other school children.They have an exposure to
the world that is the envy of many private schools and all because of one man:
Dr R S Praveen Kumar
I can fill volumes about this visionary but I would suggest the Google and to watch
the movie that is being
made on him.
You name an exam in India and the children are provided the platform to be trained for it
and
to take the exam .Mountaineering to CA to IAS to IPS ..anything.Details are also spelt
out in the article on their achievement.
He is known as their father and is father to some 72000 kids
.
And so as part of the natural progression from school to college which they were working
on for 2016-17
,a Univ is being thought of.
To believe that this model will work anywhere else would be a myth.
Regards
Usha K Sankar
President
Co.Re Foundation
Partner
Tugboat Consulting and Marketing Services LLP
What is to be does not necessarily have to be.
Let go or get dragged
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Vivek Tripathi wrote:
Dalit university then brahmin university , then south indian univ, north indian univ,
male univ female univ.... comeon dear govt..
On Jul 7, 2017 9:26 AM, "'cps chauhan' via Management Teachers Consortium, Global"
wrote:
Good strategy to keep them isolated and away from the mainstream. Consolidation of a vote
bank. Jai Hind, Jai Bharat.
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On Thursday, July 6, 2017, 15:53, 'Gautam Rajkhowa' via Management Teachers Consortium,
Global wrote:
Isn't this segregation though ?
gautam rajkhowa
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If the Telangana government has its way, Dalit students who wish to pursue their post-
graduation in the state will have an exclusive
university for them by next academic year.
A proposal to establish an exclusive university for Dalit students in Hyderabad is under
active consideration of the state government,
official sources said. The university is said to be part of the government's policy of
providing education free of cost to students from weaker sections from kindergarten to
post-graduation (KG to PG) level.
The proposal was mooted by a government arm - Telangana Social Welfare Residential
Educational Institutions Society (TSWREIS) which runs
nearly 268 residential institutions for Dalit students from Class V to under-graduate
level, besides the recently sanctioned 39 non-residential play schools with pre-primary
education.
"We discussed the proposal for establishing an exclusive university for Dalit students
with chief minister K Chandrasekhar Rao recently
and he has appreciated the idea. The modalities are being worked out and if everything
goes as per the plan, we are likely to start the university by 2018-19 academic year,"
TSWREIS secretary Dr R S Praveen Kumar told Hindustan Times.
Once established, it will be the first of its kind university for Dalit students in the
country. At present, there are universities exclusively
for women and religious minorities but not for weaker sections, though they are given
reservations in various state-run universities.
Praveen said the objective of establishing an exclusive university for Dalit students is
to provide them a comprehensive education, so
that they would come out as complete and knowledgeable citizens. "Till a couple of years
ago, we had been providing education to our students from primary school up to
Intermediate. Later, we started degree colleges with under-graduate courses. At present,
we have 30 degree colleges with over 3,500 students. In the next step, we want to groom
them as post-graduates by establishing our own university. Thus, we want to empower our
students with higher education so that they face any challenges in the world and
compete with any other social groups," he said.
Once the Dalit university comes into existence, all degree colleges which are now
affiliated to other universities, would come under
it.
"The medium of instruction in all our institutions from schooling to graduation is
English. Our students are not inferior to students
of any other English medium schools and colleges. Once the university comes into being,
sky is the limit for them," Praveen said.
The Dalit students of social welfare institutions have already been excelling in
academics for the last few years. This year, a record
number of 55 SC students got admission into MBBS and 15 others got into the BDS course
by securing good ranks in the National Eligibility Entrance Test (NEET)-2017.
"We launched a special training programme called Operation Blue Crystal in June, 2015,
for MBBS aspirants. Besides, MBBS, our students
are getting admission into several prestigious institutions in the country, like Delhi
University, Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS), Lady Shriram College and Azim
Premji University," he said.
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