Re: Mr Azebaze, Mr. Tchouteur January and Others...Take Note

Mishe

Alex is a Reporter on Assignment on anything regarding the SDF
"leadership" That is more rewarding than all your "rhetorical
questions"

Est ce qu'on mange the rhetorical questions? Dis donc, na wish can
ballock bi dish?

On 10/28/13, Mishe Fon <mishefon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Mr. Zebaze
> This topic was addressed to you in particular and you went into "sissongo"
> and only appeared when Boh Herbert seemed to have given some modicum of
> support to your misguided thesis. Boh is not the only one who came to your
> defense. Hear my main man Tchouteu January...Quote
>
> " So, Mishe Fon, it is about time you dispel most of your unfounded
> notions
> of the Bamis and other Cameroonian peoples, look and dwell on our mutual
> compatibilities and stop being an enabler of the system's divide-and-rule
> policy that seeks to blame the Bamilekes for everything that goes wrong in
> Cameroon. And stop talking today of Bami Francos, when yesterday it were a
> Bami Anglos. Knocking our heads on this Bami factor is a distraction and a
> futile endeavour for anybody promoting it".
>
> Let me respond to you by indirectly responding to Mr January Tchouteur
> (Njohteur?).
> Mr. January is a very smart and intelligent guy and knows exactly what I am
> talking about BUT wants to twist all I wrote for his own purposes, but the
> truth will still prevail. I said and I repeat myself (The Bamilekes in
> Cameroon are a Force to reckon with his villag; very enterprising,
> industrious and endowed with many potentials for progress. That is a fact
> which can never be taken away from BAMIS.) Now I mentioned something that
> cannot be disputed by even hard corps Bamilekes (FAMLA) of your ilk: I said
> "There is that small matter of Non-Bamilekes being unable to acquire
> property or doing Business in Bamileke dominated areas like Bafoussam,
> Bafang, Bangante, Mbouda, Dchang...which has not been answered as opposed to
> the rest of Cameroon largely opening their doors to anyone (market factors)
> who wants to acquire property or do Business. Massa Tchouteur January says
> he met a Bamenda man when he was visiting his village a few years ago who
> has
> been resident in Bangangte for over 70 years and speaks "Tchoba Ndigui ah
> Fitseh" more than most Bangantes. Entre Nous, How does that answer my
> legitimate concerns?
>
> If you don't give a direct answer, it simply means there might be a problem
> here. Even Nigerians and ANGLOPHONE business people unfortunately referred
> to as "BIAFRAIS" known to dominate such small Business ventures as "Motor
> Spia Parts", "Building Materials", Okrikas/Fripperies, Pret A Porter,
> Electronic Sales, have no presence in heavily populated cities in the
> Western Province. I say it loud and clear because I have statistics to prove
> my point. This is not an over-the-top sensational characterization. It is
> reality. Massa Azebaze and other Bamileke apologists, there is no xenophobia
> here. Just answer the damn questions without a quid pro quo. Let me repeat
> the question: Why can Bamis exploit and do various Businesses in all nooks
> and crannies of Cameroon BUT other Cameroonians find it impossible to do
> Business in Bamileke enclave? It is a simple rhetorical question. Just
> answer the damn question. Period. Contrary to your parochial insinuations,
> No
> one faults the Bamis for their Business successes BUT we are in a context
> of searching for answers to develop and strengthen UNITY in our country.
> These are questions which are asked by many (in private) but which I have
> the audacity to ask "Openly". Don't curse me the "messenger" out BUT try to
> answer as truthfully as you can.
> Mishe Fon
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:22 PM, Herbert Boh <herbertboh@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Alex,
>
> I'm with you.
>
> As incredible as it may sound for political "Johnny Just Comes", there was a
> time when Paul Biya was change. When his pledge of shining a light on oil
> revenues, on managing differently, of fixing the public service and his
> message of " rigueur et moralisation" was a breath of political fresh air.
> While that lasted, many a Cameroonian placed their political eggs in the
> Biya basket. Those eggs are broken, except for those who routed for the
> failure of democracy.
>
> In the same way as with Paul Biya, there was a time when the SDF and Ni John
> Fru Ndi were at once the embodiment of and the inspiration for the
> democratic change many of us want for our country and that our people
> deserve. Alas! That time was quite a while ago. Frustration and
> disappointment are among the best shared sentiments when you speak to the
> majority of the once fervently hopeful hopers that the SDF would deliver on
> its political promise.
>
> As with the CPDM before, many of those who have left or are leaving the
> membership of the SDF are not a tribe, not a linguistic or geographic group,
> and not an ethnic group. Those who have left or are leaving are political
> animals who have, sadly, reached the conclusion that the SDF is turning out,
> increasingly, and looking more and more like the CPDM's political twin. The
> lone difference now looks increasingly to be that one twin (CPDM) is in
> power while the other twin (SDF) is still knocking in the door to power. If
> you trust the CPDM with the people's political candy store chances are the
> SDF will do just as well as your shopkeeper.
>
> Boh Herbert
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Alex Gustave AZEBAZE DJOUAKA
> <agazebaze@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Dear brother Boh Herbert,
>>What you are preaching here rightly is impossible since many of people
>>among those who believe they are contradicting me refused to
>>understand why someone adhere to a movement can be desapointed by the
>>leadership and dcide to get out from such a mess, without even having
>>another movement to adhere to.
>>A someone who have been very supportive to the fight for GENUINE
>>DEMOCRATIC CHANGE in oue contry, will you agree the reason many SDF
>>die-hird icluding nortwest origin are not in that party today is
>>linked to the leaderhip and strategic orrientation than the so-called
>>ethnic disapoitment bothers Mishe Fon, Divine Rhyme and Pa Fru Ndeh,
>>are trying to systematize here.
>>What I do not understand is their point of saying that any Cameroonian
>>from Western region origin, especially from the so-called Bamileke
>>ethnic group, who have resigned from or sacked from SDF and is now out
>>of this party, do so because after a collective moto of certain
>>Bamileke lobby group. I refused to validate such erroneous belief or
>>thinking because I'm very very aware that any person belonging to an
>>orgaisation decamp from it only for personal reason, not ethnic mot
>>d'ordre. This is absolutelt true since many Cameroonian from English
>>speaking extrction have to decamped, exactlt as those from French
>>exyraction? In the same vein, many Cameroonian who decamped ftrom CPDM
>>since 1990 have not done so because they think this party is that of
>>Betis or Bulus. They did it because they think, he has no chance to
>>realise his political ambitions from this organisation because the
>>reign of Democracy and Equal opportunties which are the fundament
>>ofany democratic organisations are not repected as it is said in the
>>manifestos. I have the same opinion as SDF is concerned.
>>So for me those engaged in the reign or Genuine and true democracy in
>>our country shall engage for the success of these value and
>>principles. This is the point.where I stand. This make me evidently
>>differ from some of our brothers using some nasty figures to try to
>>convince certain public opinion with their stereotypes
>>Happy sunday there. . .
>>> Good People,
>>>
>>> What is this? Why are we doing this to ourselves? Who really believes
>>> these
>>> claims that some are all good and others all evil?
>>>
>>> The twist this particular debate has taken, with the "loaded" stereotypes
>>> it
>>> peddles and the hate speech it barely veils, renders no one a service:
>>> not
>>> the protagonists; not the readers; not the tribes or ethnic groups
>>> bashed
>>> therein; not our country; not our continent; not our families; not
>>> posterity.
>>>
>>> I'm not suggesting that a debate on tribe and ethnicity should be taboo,
>>> but
>>> we deserve a debate that is evidence-based, that is substantive, and
>>> that
>>> teaches us how to mould tribe and ethnicity into building blocks of
>>> responsible citizenship in a rainbow world.
>>>
>>> The colonialists, who designed tribalism as an instrument of conquest
>>> and
>>> "divide and rule", but who were shocked to see it roundly rejected by
>>> Africanists would be really proud of us. And whenever that happens, we
>>> know
>>> we should really be ashamed of ourselves.
>>>
>>> Boh Herbert
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Tchouteu Janvier <j_kamerun@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Massa SAF,
>>>>
>>>> I see a lot of emotion in your email below, and since I make an effort
>>>> not
>>>> to be altogether dismissive of a person's feelings, no matter how
>>>> misguided it is, I will make the customary first attempt to provide you
>>>> with some pointers (again), hoping it helps you. And if not, I might
>>>> throw
>>>> my hands up in the air in….. All the same; you have come a long
>>>> way.....
>>>>
>>>> I was told this anecdote a long time ago by my Russian friend.
>>>>
>>>> A Russian, a German and a Pole were involved in a boat wreck and were
>>>> lucky to make it to a deserted and a desolate island. Hungry and cold,
>>>> they tried their hands with fishing, and finally caught a gold fish to
>>>> reward them for their efforts.
>>>>
>>>> "Please, don't eat me, please don't eat me," the gold fish
>>>> pleaded,
>>>> "I can give you far more than you can get by making me your meal."
>>>> "What can you give us?" the Russian asked in a grumpy voice.
>>>> "I can grant each one of you three wishes," the gold fish
>>>> quivered.
>>>> The three men thought about it and decided to make the deal.
>>>> The German took the gold fish to the side and told him in a
>>>> subdued
>>>> voice. "I want you to get me a warm dish, then get me out of here, and
>>>> then give me a lot of money to make me a rich man for the rest of my
>>>> life."
>>>> The Gold fish granted his wishes in a flash.
>>>> Next was the Polish fellow. "Get me a nice warm dish to satisfy
>>>> my
>>>> hunger, vodka to celebrate my luck, and then get me home.
>>>> The Pole's wishes were granted, and he was happy.
>>>> Next came the Russian "Ya bil bi rad yesli... (I would love it
>>>> if
>>>> you get me a great meal, vodka to celebrate my luck, and if you go
>>>> ahead
>>>> and bring back those two to this godforsaken island."
>>>>
>>>> The Russian was blinded by the disagreeable feeling he had for Germans
>>>> and
>>>> Poles, to the point of hurting himself in the process just to hurt
>>>> those
>>>> two. Some would say he derived pleasure seeing the German and the Pole
>>>> suffering in that horrible place with him.
>>>>
>>>> SAF, I see you are trying to give me a lesson on Bami presence west of
>>>> the
>>>> Mungo and/or Metazem, forgetting that you got a lot of the info from my
>>>> previous writings on this forum. Actually, I am glad you learned
>>>> something
>>>> from those exchanges. That is the essence of our exchanges here--- To
>>>> make
>>>> us better New Cameroonians.
>>>>
>>>> Your "kony" , Massa SAF. Why can't you be upfront and ask pointed
>>>> questions. You want to know how "Bami Anglo" I am, but can't help
>>>> yourself
>>>> from using innuendos, hoping or expecting that it would stir me to make
>>>> revelations about myself. Hmm! Interesting. Or you are actually
>>>> speaking
>>>> to a narrow audience by trying to make your insinuation look like the
>>>> truth. Though I have never spelt out my lineage, which I see to be of
>>>> no
>>>> importance in this debate, snippets of information put together from
>>>> previous exchanges would tell you or anyone interested to know how
>>>> much
>>>> of an 11th province person I am. Or finding out from others is another
>>>> way
>>>> to go about it.
>>>>
>>>> Once again, most of the Bami Anglos are in the Southwest (whether
>>>> indigenous or non-indigenous) and even most of the Bami Francos West of
>>>> the Mungo are to be found there. However, the incidences of rants
>>>> against
>>>> them are far more frequently from my Northwestern brothers.
>>>>
>>>> That aroused my curiosity. My lineage is overwhelmingly Bami Southwest
>>>> (Both paternal and maternal; and if by default people spoke the
>>>> language
>>>> of both their parents , then family meeting would have some of my
>>>> nephews
>>>> and cousins speaking West Cameroonian dialects like Nso, Bikom, Meta,
>>>> Bafangi, Bafou, Bali, Mankon, Oroko, Bakossi, Bayang, Bakweri, Akum,
>>>> Mundani Ejakam etc).
>>>> Not until 1983 did I first reside in the Northwest, when my father who
>>>> went to primary school for a couple of years there in the 1940s during
>>>> their administrative transfer to Bamenda, became a resident of the town
>>>> again following his transfer there that year. And since he had many
>>>> close
>>>> friends in Bamenda, he decided to make it his retirement home. There, I
>>>> was introduced to the word Ntongtu for the first time, and found out
>>>> that
>>>> many people in Bamenda thought all Bamis they ran into were Ntongtous
>>>> since the people of Bamboutous who dominated the economic life of
>>>> Bamenda,
>>>> were the majority of Bamis there. Over the past couple of years, I have
>>>> grappled with the conflicting sentiments among the few Bami bashers
>>>> from
>>>> the Northwest, and well, I am amused instead. They base their
>>>> knowledge
>>>> of Bamis on their experiences with them almost entirely with the
>>>> Bamboutous Bamis.
>>>>
>>>> My uncle used to joke about my father for behaving like a Mbouda man
>>>> after
>>>> they were at their Mezam in-law's and he committed himself even more
>>>> than
>>>> anyone in the host's family.
>>>> "Why say like a Mbouda man?" I asked.
>>>> "Because Mbouda people are the only Bamis who go to a cry-die and cry
>>>> more
>>>> than the bereaved. Look at the Congress Hall in Bamenda. Bamboutous
>>>> contributed for its construction more than any other Division in
>>>> Cameroon.
>>>> When they had it in Bafoussam a couple of years ago, they were among
>>>> the
>>>> least of the contributors from the Western province."
>>>> I laughed about it, since the lesson I learned as a storyteller is that
>>>> even the different Bami groups have jokes about one another. And upon
>>>> finding out, among the Bamis, the people of Bamboutous (Mbouda) more
>>>> than
>>>> the others, go the furthest in establishing Bami closeness to the
>>>> people
>>>> of the Northwest, especially those of Momo and Mezam in particular,
>>>> or
>>>> more especially the narrowed down Ngembas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Truth be told, many of my Northwest brother with biases or native
>>>> mindsets
>>>> do not base their resentment on the feeling of someone who has been
>>>> hurt by Bamis, but more about what benefits they think they deserve to
>>>> get from their Bami friends, relatives , political partners etc. It is
>>>> an
>>>> entitlement mindset. The Bami basher is likely to be tolerated and even
>>>> accepted by the Bamis he is bashing more than any other group, other
>>>> groups who would have no patience for their biases and "native"
>>>> mindsets.
>>>> There is no Bami conspiracy I know of to prevent non-Bamis from
>>>> settling
>>>> in the West province, nor do I know of one to prevent others from
>>>> getting
>>>> into business. Perhaps I am ignorant, but if many others do not see a
>>>> conspiracy too, then I am right. I said it before that more than 80%
>>>> of
>>>> the Anglo Bamis with ancestral realms east of the Mungo do not have
>>>> land
>>>> or property in the West province. History made the region a place of
>>>> turbulence for close to a century until the 1970s. There were no pull
>>>> factors, but push factors only. Who would have wanted to settle there,
>>>> especially during the 1956-1971 war against the UPC? What was enticing
>>>> about the place during the 15+ years of recovery? Besides, with the
>>>> government confining the populations there to roadside camps or
>>>> settlements under the decades of state of emergency, they put more than
>>>> half of the Bamilekeland, a Bamilekeland that is less than 3% of the
>>>> national surface area, off construction, making the demand for land
>>>> there
>>>> even more horrendous, until recently. I went to Bangante (Nde
>>>> Division,
>>>> whose people are the most open of the Graffis) and found the place to
>>>> be
>>>> even more heterogeneous than many places in the Northwest, and I was
>>>> happy
>>>> for the development. My descendants might return there one day and be
>>>> told
>>>> by a Bami, a Fulani or a Bamendrous who was born and bred there that
>>>> they
>>>> are foreigners.
>>>>
>>>> There is a lot of political undertone in the bias from the few
>>>> Northwesters with the "native" mindset and the entitlement mentality.
>>>> Once
>>>> again, Bamis are overwhelmingly nationalistic and many of them
>>>> understand
>>>> that to change Cameroon, it is impossible for them to do it alone.
>>>> When
>>>> SDF was born, with, I repeat, an exclusive agenda, it was the Bami
>>>> Anglos
>>>> who worked the hardest to entice Bami Francos, Southwesterners and
>>>> other
>>>> Francophone ethnic groups to join the party, giving it a nationalist
>>>> outlook, making it a national movement, winning the deep ire of France
>>>> and
>>>> the system, as well as the resentment of some in the SDF who still
>>>> adhered
>>>> to the exclusive agenda and were not reaping the rewards of the SDF's
>>>> founding. This was the period of the historic SDF of 1990-1997. But a
>>>> lot
>>>> changed when some of those who began with the SDF having an exclusive
>>>> agenda, but who upon seeing the greater rewards that a successful
>>>> nationalist victory of winning power would bring, sided with the
>>>> nationalists from 1991-1997, came to think the nationalist cause was
>>>> a
>>>> dead end, and then switched back to the pursuit of the exclusive agenda
>>>> which involved working with the system. This new path from 1997 led by
>>>> Fru
>>>> Ndi alienated the nationalists within the SDF, the majority of whom
>>>> were
>>>> Bamis, and who judging from history, knew that Fru Ndi was allowing the
>>>> government to lead the SDF to a path where it would be tagged as a
>>>> regional party. Most of them left the SDF in 2002, and the vast
>>>> majority
>>>> of them did not join the CPDM or any of the other parties of the system
>>>> (The anti-union-nationalist forces) after they left the SDF. THE
>>>> CONFLICTING FORCES IN THE SDF DURING THE THIRD ...
>>>> Apparently, most of those with biases who happen to be political are
>>>> supporters of Fru Ndi's SDF today, or were members of the SDF who have
>>>> become Southern Cameroons advocates. They, like the spoilt child with a
>>>> sense of entitlement, are mad that a Bami would not support or join
>>>> them
>>>> , or that the Bami left them after Fru Ndi and his gang betrayed the
>>>> trust of the Cameroonian people.
>>>>
>>>> When SAF wrote:
>>>> The problem we have with these Bamis is their French mentality. You
>>>> guys
>>>> may be forging ahead financially but you need to shed away your
>>>> francho-phone mentally. You cannot be my friend today and be my enemy
>>>> tomorrow. You are either my cousin or you are not. If I wrong you,
>>>> you
>>>> call me to order and not run away to forge alliances with the outsider
>>>> who
>>>> murdered hundreds of thousands of our people.
>>>>
>>>> I found it curiously interesting. In 2002, when a wave of people left
>>>> the
>>>> SDF following Ngwasiri/Fru Ndi pact with the CPDM, those I know who
>>>> left
>>>> made it a personal decision. From Limbe, which was my SDF base, Dr
>>>> Tchwenko, I (Bamis), Charles Nkwanyuo (Bayang) etc left; Louis Shalo,
>>>> Pa
>>>> Anthony Mpafe (Bamis), Greig Batey etc stayed. All the named Bamis
>>>> were Anglos. What then of the Franco Bamis, with fresh memories of the
>>>> war
>>>> against the UPC, when they continued fighting even after others had
>>>> been
>>>> defeated, had deserted the struggle or had conciliated with the French
>>>> and
>>>> the system? What was expected of them when faced with those they
>>>> thought
>>>> were allies conciliating with the system again? The questions are
>>>> many.
>>>> Fru Ndi and his group let the Bamis down , just like they let other
>>>> Cameroonians down, just as they are letting down objective yesterday
>>>> diehard Fru Ndi supporters like Boh Herbert, just as they are letting
>>>> today's diehard Fru Ndi supporters like you SAF and FEN (Divine) down.
>>>> The
>>>> Bamis are not anybody's enemy, equally as no ethnic group is an enemy
>>>> to
>>>> others.
>>>>
>>>> The future new Cameroon needs a coalition of honest and committed
>>>> advocates of change, where trust is earned and not bestowed, where we
>>>> do
>>>> not take each other for granted, and where we accept the national ideal
>>>> of
>>>> union-nationalism which cherishes the contribution of every Cameroonian
>>>> group and recognizes their rights to the benefits of being
>>>> Cameroonian.
>>>>
>>>> It is obvious many of us lost heart following the last two masquerades
>>>> called elections. I was elated instead, especially by the September 30
>>>> votes. Though it showed a fundamental absence of a genuine opposition
>>>> made up of union-nationalists or the genuine upholders of the ideals of
>>>> the historic UPC and the historic SDF of 1990-1997, it revealed the
>>>> depth
>>>> of the system's weaknesses and the emptiness of the so-called
>>>> opposition
>>>> and their leaderships that are helping to sustain the system in the
>>>> current symbiosis we see today.
>>>>
>>>> Comparing Ghana and Cameroon which have similar population size and
>>>> structure, Cameroon should have expected at least 14million registered
>>>> voters . Despite all their tricks, the system came up with 5.3 million
>>>> only. In essence, more than 70% of Cameroonians have given up on the
>>>> system, the CPDM and the so-called opposition parties. I wouldn't
>>>> elaborate any further on this.
>>>>
>>>> I hope none of us would be compelled to dwell again on something
>>>> disheartening like this fabricated or fictional problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Janvier Chouteu-Chando
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:58 AM, Tchouteu Janvier
>>>> <j_kamerun@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Massa SAF,
>>>>
>>>> I was told this anecdote a long time ago by my Russian friend.
>>>>
>>>> A Russian,a German and a Pole had a boat wreck and were lucky to make
>>>> it
>>>> to a deserted and a desolate island. ung
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 25, 2013 9:47 AM, Pa Fru Ndeh <PaFruNdeh@YAHOO.COM>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Guy Simon Ngakam,
>>>>
>>>> Please re-read the email below.
>>>>
>>>> Blessed Be Cameroon
>>>> Pa Fru Ndeh
>>>> From: SAF <suhade@yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>; Tchouteu
>>>> Janvier <j_kamerun@yahoo.com>; "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com"
>>>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>; "ambasbay@googlegroups.com"
>>>> <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 8:45 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: Mr.. Alex Azebaze
>>>> ERRONEOUSLLY in Defence of BAMILEKES
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Janvier,
>>>>
>>>> I am not so sure you are a full blooded Anglo-Bami . A full blooded
>>>> Anglo-Bami, like my sister's son whose father is from Nkohmbu-Bami does
>>>> not have this mentality which some Francho-phone Bamis have.
>>>> We, the Mbetons of the NW, tend to speak in coded language when we talk
>>>> about Bami. At least I do. When I talk of Bamis in general, I am not
>>>> referring to Anglo-Bamis who have fully integrated in Bamenda. I am
>>>> talking about the new comers who still think of their ancestral home
>>>> East
>>>> of the Matazem River and those who are in the West Province. The
>>>> problem
>>>> we have with these Bamis is their French mentality. You guys may be
>>>> forging ahead financially but you need to shed away your francho-phone
>>>> mentally. You cannot be my friend today and be my enemy tomorrow. You
>>>> are either my cousin or you are not. If I wrong you, you call me to
>>>> order
>>>> and not run away to forge alliances with the outsider who murdered
>>>> hundreds of thousands of our people.
>>>> A real Anglo-Bami who has integrated within the Bamendrous culture
>>>> thinks
>>>> very much like everyone else in Mezam. You guys over there do not get
>>>> it
>>>> when talk about Bamis in general. Your attitudes about your Bami
>>>> cousins
>>>> to the west of the Matazem River is deplorable. Just like Mishe Fon
>>>> said,
>>>> why is it so difficult for your Bami cousins in Bamenda to buy property
>>>> in
>>>> Bafoussam?
>>>> You guys can come to Bamenda and buy as much property as you want and
>>>> we
>>>> will sell it to you; but the contrary is not true. You hog your
>>>> property
>>>> and sell it only to your kind. Why? Even when it comes to business
>>>> deals
>>>> you keep it only within your community; why? If your cousins in
>>>> Bamenda
>>>> were to do same, you would not have it easy in Bamenda. Do you know
>>>> that?
>>>> Go to Santa and see how welcoming we are to Nkohmbuh Bami. We must be
>>>> fools, then. Are we not?
>>>> Do you know that there are several indigenous Bami villages in Mezam,
>>>> Ngohketunja, Mbuh and Lebialem and that the people in these
>>>> administrative
>>>> divisions (or Department in French) do not have the same attitudes you
>>>> guys in the West Province have? Do you know that you (I mean the Bamis
>>>> from the West Province) even discriminate against Bami indigenes from
>>>> the
>>>> villages in these administrative divisions in the NW and SW simply
>>>> because
>>>> they are Anglophones?
>>>> For the New Cameroon to become a reality, you must look for ways to
>>>> educate the larger Bami community in the West Province and to bring
>>>> them
>>>> into the main stream. It does not make any sense to get out of an
>>>> inferno
>>>> and get right back into it.
>>>> If you lived long enough in Bamenda, you will know some of the Bami
>>>> villages in NW and SW referenced in this short narrative. If we are
>>>> going
>>>> to grow as a people, some of these attitudes must be brought to the
>>>> fore
>>>> for discussion. I think Mishe Fon did the right thing to bring this
>>>> topic
>>>> for discussion. We may refer to you guys as "ntogntu," but there is
>>>> "ntongu" in all of us if you did not know. We all come from the same
>>>> stock. We are all "mbetons," if you know what that Bami-Ngiemboon word
>>>> means.
>>>>
>>>> SAF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:11 PM, Tchouteu Janvier
>>>> <j_kamerun@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear SAF,
>>>>
>>>> Stop being a detractor. What is your point with the email you composed
>>>> below? Apparently, you have a substantial amount of information on this
>>>> subject, but you did not do a good job of translating the information
>>>> into
>>>> knowledge; you failed to connect the dots and put things into context.
>>>>
>>>> How can we seriously debate on this when your position keeps shifting,
>>>> when until recently, you thought Nkongsamba was part of the
>>>> Bamilekeland
>>>> etc, etc, when you think that the people of all the Bami clusters or
>>>> settlements in what is today the Northwest province (region) are from
>>>> Bamboutous, when despite my email below and after telling the story the
>>>> second time of my encounter with the Akum retiree in my ancestral
>>>> realm,
>>>> you still can't figure out my father's traditional kingdom or
>>>> Division.
>>>>
>>>> I still think exchanges like these are a waste of time, a distraction
>>>> or
>>>> that they futile debates, especially when the person you are trying to
>>>> engage is comfortable in his stereotypes, especially when the person
>>>> refuses to see beyond his nose.
>>>>
>>>> SAF, my position is clear, unwavering. I will not be comfortable
>>>> blocking
>>>> my ears or turning a blind eye to myth builders who gleefully condemn
>>>> and
>>>> ostracize other peoples, and who in the same token pretend to be
>>>> advocates
>>>> for change, when in reality their mindsets or thought patterns have not
>>>> evolved beyond those of tribalists who see their next door neighbors as
>>>> their worst enemies, and who in so doing, perpetuate the
>>>> divide-and-rule
>>>> strategy that the French-imposed system has effectively used in keeping
>>>> Cameroon stuck in the economic, political and social dung that it is in
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter if the target is Bami, Bamendrous, Beti, Fulani
>>>> etc.
>>>> We should be unequivocal in our condemnation of people who take single
>>>> cases and condemn and even ostracize an entire people for it.
>>>>
>>>> You have a lot of learning to do, my brother. All the same, I am
>>>> looking
>>>> forward to having constructive debates with you. Please, if it has to
>>>> be
>>>> on the different Cameroonian peoples, let it be educative. That is what
>>>> future generations need.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Janvier Chouteu-Chando
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:26 AM, SAF <suhade@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> After all, not long ago, you too were of the opinion that all the Bami
>>>> Anglos, who make about 20% of the population West of the Mungo, are not
>>>> indigenous West Cameroonians, that they were all refugees from the
>>>> former
>>>> French Cameroun, and that they were solely responsible for
>>>> reunification,
>>>> despite solid recounts from people like Augustine Agbor on the
>>>> contributive roles of other Southern Cameroonian ethnic groups in the
>>>> reunification campaign. In fact, you were/are of the opinion that
>>>> Foncha
>>>> was Bami, in the same manner that some American right-wingers claim
>>>> Obama
>>>> is a Muslim, or that he was born abroad." [Janvier Tchouteu]
>>>>
>>>> There isn't a single soul living in what was my paternal
>>>> great-grandfather's compound, one reason why most of his Anglo-Bami
>>>> descendants (more than half) have any attachment to their ancestral
>>>> realm
>>>> Question. Are you among the half that doesn't have any "attachment to
>>>> your ancestral land in Bamboutos Bamiland? If you are. My next
>>>> question
>>>> is. Are you now a Bamendrous Bami or Bamboutos Bami?
>>>> The reason for the last question is that Bamendrous Bamis settled in
>>>> the
>>>> Mezam and created several kingdoms long before the Germans arrived and
>>>> created Old Kamerun. Their descendants today do not even know that
>>>> they
>>>> migrated from the Bamboutos and took a very circuitous route to arrive
>>>> their current settlements. These Bamis, for all intent and purpose,
>>>> are
>>>> indigenous Bamendrous Bamis. When we talk of Bami refugees we are
>>>> referring to those Bamis who came to Bamendrous Bamilands during the
>>>> chwi-chwi war in the 50s and 60s. Thousands of them settled in various
>>>> indigenous Bamendrous Bami villages. These new entrants, whom I refer
>>>> to
>>>> as the Bamboutos Bami, still have very strong ties to their ancestral
>>>> lands in the Bamboutos. They and their descendants maybe Anglophones
>>>> but
>>>> in their minds, they are first Bamboutos Bami. During SDF operation
>>>> "ghost town," they, the Bamboutos Bami, that is, all escaped to the
>>>> Bamboutos Bamilands until there was peace in Bamenda. So, Janvier,
>>>> please
>>>> permit me to restate my question to you. Are you Bamendrous Bami or
>>>> Bamboutos Bami?
>>>> Mr. Janvier Tchouteu, do you know the origin of the term Bamileke?
>>>> From
>>>> what language does it originate and what does it mean? I bet you that
>>>> a
>>>> lot Bamileke people, both east and west of the Matazem River do not
>>>> even
>>>> know the origin and meaning of the word. If you know the origin and
>>>> meaning of the word, then, you are one very educated Bamendrous or
>>>> Bamboutos Bami.
>>>> Now concerning John Ngu Foncha, we thought he had fully integrated into
>>>> our Bamendrous Bami community. But his strong ties to Dschang along
>>>> with
>>>> some questionable decision he took vis-a-vis the unification question
>>>> made
>>>> me and many others in our later years to place him in the Bamboutos
>>>> Bami
>>>> category even though his family settled in Mezam prior to the chwi-chwi
>>>> war. In other words, he was not fully integrated in our
>>>> Anglo-Bamendrous
>>>> Bami culture.
>>>> Last but not least, why can you not give a positive spin to the
>>>> "negative"
>>>> aspects of what what Mishe Fon wrote? If he said something which you
>>>> did
>>>> not like, which by the way is the truth, accept it and give it a
>>>> positive
>>>> spin. If I were in your shoe, I would have done a wonderful job with
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> SAF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:51 AM, SAF <suhade@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "After all, not long ago, you too were of the opinion that all the Bami
>>>> Anglos, who make about 20% of the population West of the Mungo, are not
>>>> indigenous West Cameroonians, that they were all refugees from the
>>>> former
>>>> French Cameroun, and that they were solely responsible for
>>>> reunification,
>>>> despite solid recounts from people like Augustine Agbor on the
>>>> contributive roles of other Southern Cameroonian ethnic groups in the
>>>> reunification campaign. In fact, you were/are of the opinion that
>>>> Foncha
>>>> was Bami, in the same manner that some American right-wingers claim
>>>> Obama
>>>> is a Muslim, or that he was born abroad." [Janvier Tchouteu]
>>>> There isn't a single soul living in what was my paternal
>>>> great-grandfather's compound, one reason why most of his Anglo-Bami
>>>> descendants (more than half) have any attachment to their ancestral
>>>> realm
>>>> Question. Are you among the half that doesn't have any "attachment to
>>>> your ancestral land in Bamboutos Bamiland? If you are. My next
>>>> question
>>>> is. Are you now a Bamendrous Bami or Bamboutos Bami?
>>>> The reason for the last question is that Bamendrous Bamis settled in
>>>> the
>>>> Mezam and created several kingdoms long before the Germans arrived and
>>>> created Old Kamerun. Their descendants today do not even know that
>>>> they
>>>> migrated from the Bamboutos and took a very circuitous route to arrive
>>>> their current settlements. These Bamis, for all intent and purpose,
>>>> are
>>>> indigenous Bamendrous Bamis. When we talk of Bami refugees we are
>>>> referring to those Bamis who came to Bamendrous Bamilands during the
>>>> chwi-chwi war in the 50s and 60s. Thousands of them settled in various
>>>> indigenous Bamendrous Bami villages. These new entrants, whom I refer
>>>> to
>>>> as the Bamboutos Bami, still have very strong ties to their ancestral
>>>> lands in the Bamboutos. They and their descendants maybe Anglophones
>>>> but
>>>> in their minds, they are first Bamboutos Bami. During SDF operation
>>>> "ghost town," they, the Bamboutos Bami, that is, all escaped to the
>>>> Bamboutos Bamilands until there was peace in Bamenda. So, Janvier,
>>>> please
>>>> permit me to restate my question to you. Are you Bamendrous Bami or
>>>> Bamboutos Bami?
>>>> Mr. Janvier Tchouteu, do you know the origin of the term Bamileke?
>>>> From
>>>> what language does it originate and what does it mean? I bet you that
>>>> a
>>>> lot Bamileke people, both east and west of the Matazem River do not
>>>> even
>>>> know the origin and meaning of the word. If you know the origin and
>>>> meaning of the word, then, you are one very educated Bamendrous or
>>>> Bamboutos Bami.
>>>> Now concerning John Ngu Foncha, we thought he had fully integrated into
>>>> our Bamendrous Bami community. But his strong ties to Dschang along
>>>> with
>>>> some questionable decision he took vis-a-vis the unification question
>>>> made
>>>> me and many others in our later years to place him in the Bamboutos
>>>> Bami
>>>> category even though his family settled in Mezam prior to the chwi-chwi
>>>> war. In other words, he was not fully integrated in our
>>>> Anglo-Bamendrous
>>>> Bami culture.
>>>> Last but not least, why can you not give a positive spin to the
>>>> "negative"
>>>> aspects of what what Mishe Fon wrote? If he said something which you
>>>> did
>>>> not like, which by the way is the truth, accept it and give it a
>>>> positive
>>>> spin. If I were in your shoe, I would have done a wonderful job with
>>>> it.
>>>> SAF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:55 PM, Tchouteu Janvier
>>>> <j_kamerun@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Massa Fon, my Ngemba cousin,
>>>>
>>>> You force the hands of some people to dwell on your Bami misinformation
>>>> laced with some of the solid statistics you mentioned above, especially
>>>> the Cameroonian union-nationalists of partial or full Bami extraction,
>>>> thereby making them to appear to be Bamiphiles (Bamilekophiles) or
>>>> ethno-centrists. I wonder whether it is "tronghead", ignorance or
>>>> disingenuousness on your part, or whether I should not fault you at
>>>> all,
>>>> since most of us are the victims of the system, which imbued us with
>>>> values (the system's divide and rule strategy) that make us see our
>>>> next
>>>> door neighbours as our worst enemies.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I will look at things on the hopeful side because that will leave
>>>> me
>>>> with the conclusion that you are still wanting vis-a-vis Cameroonian
>>>> history, especially the Bamileke part of it. After all, not long ago,
>>>> you
>>>> too were of the opinion that all the Bami Anglos, who make about 20% of
>>>> the population West of the Mungo, are not indigenous West Cameroonians,
>>>> that they were all refugees from the former French Cameroun, and that
>>>> they
>>>> were solely responsible for reunification, despite solid recounts from
>>>> people like Augustine Agbor on the contributive roles of other Southern
>>>> Cameroonian ethnic groups in the reunification campaign. In fact, you
>>>> were/are of the opinion that Foncha was Bami, in the same manner that
>>>> some
>>>> American right-wingers claim Obama is a Muslim, or that he was born
>>>> abroad.
>>>>
>>>> A couple of days ago, you wondered why Bamis(in that case, I too) most
>>>> of
>>>> whose forebears were nationalists who fought in the Maquis or were
>>>> victims
>>>> of the French genocide against the populations that supported the UPC,
>>>> left the SDF that Fru Ndi had been leading into the arms of the CPDM
>>>> since
>>>> 1997, the CPDM party he belonged in before, the party that is the
>>>> custodian of the neo-fascist system put in place by France, which has
>>>> been
>>>> trying for close to a century to tag the Bamilekes as the internal
>>>> enemy
>>>> of other Cameroonian ethnic groups or the internal colonisers as they
>>>> also
>>>> chose to put it. You once ascribed to the crazy notion that Bami means
>>>> of
>>>> survival (or wealth in the third world look of things) was a gift from
>>>> Ahidjo to buy their political silence---a classic way of making the
>>>> victim(s) the culprit or perpetrators, or a solid pillar in the
>>>> conspiracy
>>>> haunting Cameroon today.
>>>>
>>>> And today, this. Once again, collective blame is unacceptable. Fulanis
>>>> are not responsible for Ahidjo's bloody rule. The entire Beti-Pahouin
>>>> people should not be held accountable for Biya's disastrous thirty
>>>> years
>>>> in power; but we have to admit the fact that every single ethnic group,
>>>> region, and many Cameroonian families have produced collaborators who
>>>> helped to make this six-decade old system possible. True, some ethnic
>>>> groups have contributed disproportionately more than others, but the
>>>> collaborators were a minority in their respective populations. And
>>>> proportionate-wise, the Bamis were/are not among the highest
>>>> contributors.
>>>>
>>>> I talked a while ago about my trip home to bury my father and my joyous
>>>> encounter with other non-Bamis who had settled in Bangante, including
>>>> my
>>>> brother/cousin's Akum friend who like him built a house and decided to
>>>> retire in Bangante, a man who apparently is more Bami than me, a man I
>>>> mistook for a Bami because of his grasp of the language.
>>>>
>>>> My brother, there were little or no pull factors in the Bamilekeland
>>>> and
>>>> Bamounland until recently. Their coziness with the Germans,
>>>> independence
>>>> spirit and dynamism made them a force to be crushed, if not subdued, by
>>>> the new French masters. Their kings or nfons were overthrown and exiled
>>>> in
>>>> their numbers, which together with other factors depleted the region of
>>>> its population (Sultan Njoya of the Bamouns, Nono or Nana Tchoutouo of
>>>> the
>>>> Bangouas, among others), their militant support for reunification and
>>>> independence brought death and destruction to their homeland from the
>>>> hands of the French army and the Cameroonian army they trained. Would
>>>> you
>>>> have wanted to settle there during the decade and a half of war? More
>>>> than
>>>> half of adult Bamis, in fact, more than 80% of adult Bamis born out of
>>>> the
>>>> Bamilekeland do not own landed property there. With the exception of a
>>>> few
>>>> Bami realms, the French scourge earth policy and the state of emergency
>>>> laws cleared the Bamis from their ancestral homes and confined them to
>>>> roadside camps, thereby breaking their bonds to their roots
>>>> (settlements
>>>> or homesteads that were isolated and got erased during the war) and
>>>> denying them access to most of their land (one reason why there is a
>>>> scarcity of land there---in a Bamilekeland that is hardly 3% of the
>>>> national surface area of Cameroon). There isn't a single soul living in
>>>> what was my paternal great-grandfather's compound, one reason why most
>>>> of
>>>> his Anglo-Bami descendants (more than half) have any attachment to
>>>> their
>>>> ancestral realm.
>>>>
>>>> So, Mishe Fon, it is about time you dispel most of your unfounded
>>>> notions
>>>> of the Bamis and other Cameroonian peoples, look and dwell on our
>>>> mutual
>>>> compatibilities and stop being an enabler of the system's
>>>> divide-and-rule
>>>> policy that seeks to blame the Bamilekes for everything that goes
>>>> wrong
>>>> in Cameroon. And stop talking today of Bami Francos, when yesterday it
>>>> was
>>>> Bami Anglos. Knocking our heads on this Bami factor is a distraction
>>>> and
>>>> a futile endeavour for anybody promoting it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best, my friend and brother,
>>>>
>>>> Janvier Tchouteu-Chando
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:00 PM, Mishe Fon <mishefon@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Massa Alex Azebaze;
>>>>
>>>> Here are a few statistics you cannot dispute.
>>>>
>>>> Cameroon Population Demographics: (source: CIA Fact sheet)
>>>>
>>>> 65 Years and over.............. 3.4% Men= 340.926 Women = 380.748
>>>> 55 yrs. - 64 yrs. .............. 4.3% 419.000
>>>> 468.539
>>>> 25 yrs. - 54 yrs. ............... 31.9% 3.317.545
>>>> 3.240.298
>>>> 15 yrs. - 24 yrs. ............... 20.3% 2.107.744
>>>> 2.086.442
>>>> 0 - 14 yrs. ............... 40.2% 4.151.374
>>>> 4.076.295
>>>>
>>>> Major Urban Areas in Cameroon
>>>>
>>>> Yaounde Population .............. 2.438.897
>>>> Douala Population ................ 2.053.658
>>>>
>>>> Bamilekes & Bamouns (semi Bantus/Tikars) ................. 38.6%
>>>> Beti, Pahuin, Bulu, Fang, Maka, Baka(pygmie)............... 17.3%
>>>> Hausa, Fulani, Foulbe, Toupuri, Mandara...................... 14.8%
>>>> Douala, Bassa, Bakweri, Bayangui .............................. 12.2%
>>>> Bamenda grassfield & assimilated............................... 16.9%
>>>>
>>>> Mr Azebaze; you might be asking yourself why these statistics. Simple.
>>>> You
>>>> seem to have a tendency to develop hysteria when the name "Bamileke" is
>>>> mentioned and have this unfortunate paranoid tendency of feeling that
>>>> "Non-Bamis" are automatically against "Bamis" when the obvious is
>>>> pointed
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> As you may have noticed from the above Stats, the Bamilekes are a force
>>>> to
>>>> reckon with in Cameroon. They are very industrious, very enterprising
>>>> and
>>>> their "Fertility Rate" is alarming. It is not uncommon to see a
>>>> Bamileke
>>>> mammie with at least 10 natural children (one papa, one mammie). They
>>>> are
>>>> in every nook and cranny of Cameroon. They have "colonized" entire
>>>> neighborhoods in all major Cameroon cities. They are in Business,
>>>> Government, Academia, Religion, Politics...in short (Bamis are
>>>> everywhere). But let us equally accept that our "Bami" brothers are
>>>> very
>>>> controvertial and complicated, like the small business of not allowing
>>>> Cameroonians of other Regions to settle or do business in their
>>>> strongholds like (Bafoussam, Bafang, Mbouda, Foumban, Bangangte etc).
>>>>
>>>> So Massa Azebaze, it is not anathema to discuss "Bamis" either
>>>> positively
>>>> or even negatively for that matter. You cannot dictate what I have to
>>>> say
>>>> or not say on any topic and that is why I will not delve into a tit for
>>>> tat invective back and forth with you. Let us discuss the merits of the
>>>> topics raised rather than engage in uncooth below the belt exchanges.
>>>> Finally, you will agree with me that the Bamenda block as a single
>>>> entity
>>>> in alignment with the Bamilekes would constitute a formidable Political
>>>> force in Cameroon but unfortunately, it is difficult to erase the
>>>> "Francophone Mentality" in our Bami brodas.
>>>> I hope you,ve learned something from these exchanges.
>>>>
>>>> Mishe Fon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Alex Gustave AZEBAZE DJOUAKA <agazebaze@gmail.com>
>>>> To: cameroon_politics <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: [New post] Parliamentary Election:
>>>> SDF wins Northwest
>>>>
>>>> Sorry Aaron,
>>>> je ne suis pas spécialement futé sur la détermination des originales
>>>> ethniques des Camerounais. Surtout avec les plus de 300 que nous
>>>> devons.
>>>> Mais, mon cher Aaron, au lieu de te moquer de mon ignorance sur
>>>> l'origine départementale de M. Osih - ce dont du rste je n'avais
>>>> pas parlé - tu gagnerais à corriger. J'observe que tu écris que Osih
>>>> est du Ndian. Est-ce une tribu ou une unité administrative? Pour ma
>>>> part,
>>>> j'ai la faiblesse de penser que le Ndian, Mamfé et autre sont des
>>>> unités administratives et non des tribus.
>>>> Cela dit, je constate que tu ne dis rien sur les anlyses de tes
>>>> frères/camarades politiques qui font des lectures essentiellement
>>>> primitives de l'engagement politique des uns et des autres.
>>>> Dommage.
>>>> Le 22 octobre 2013 18:20, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien@gmail.com>
>>>> a
>>>> écrit :
>>>> Joshua Osih Nambangui est "Bayangui - Kribien"
>>>> Alors là, je tombe des nus!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Or tout le monde sait que Joshua est orinaire de Ndian d'om la
>>>> République extrait le pétrole et que les Bayanguis sont de Mamfe
>>>>
>>>> Vraiment, le Cameroun, c'est vraiment le cameroun
>>>> On 10/22/13, Alex Gustave AZEBAZE DJOUAKA <agazebaze@gmail.com> wrote: >
>>>> @
>>>> Mishe Fon, > Je ne sais pas quelle est ta source sur l'appartenance
>>>> tribale des députés > SDF du Littoral. Puisque vous souhaiter faire une
>>>> lecture tribale des > résultats du SDF dans le Wouri/Littoral - je ne
>>>> sais
>>>> spécialiement pas > pourquoi -, je me permets de corriger vos
>>>> affirmations faites de préjugés > légers voire faux. > 1 - Comme pour
>>>> la
>>>> dernière législature, le SDF a obtenu 3 députés dans > Littoral, tous
>>>> dans
>>>> le département du Wouri sur les 9 possibles. Il s'agit > par ordre de
>>>> i) Jean Michel Nintcheu, Bamileké selon votre grille mais > originaire
>>>> de
>>>> Banka dans la Haut-Nkam élu à Wouri Est, un fief des Bamileké > qui
>>>> comprend Bépanda à Douala 5 et les quarties Villages à Douala 3; de ii)
>>>> >
>>>> Ernest Edimo, un Douala de Bonabéri qui selon vous ne comprendraient que
>>>> >
>>>> les anglophones alors même que la sociologie de ce quartie montre que
>>>> les
>>>> > Bamilekés y sont, une fois de plus majoritaire; et Joshua Oshi
>>>> > Nambangui
>>>> > (un Banyangui/Kribien élu à Wouri Centre où la majorité des électeurs
>>>> > du
>>>> > SDF vienne encore, une fois de plus du quartier Bamileke New-Deido. >
>>>> > 2
>>>> - Le 4é député de l'opposition Soub Lazare, a été élu sous la
>>>> bannière du > MRC. Tout premier maire SDF de Douala 3è, ce Bamileké
>>>> originaire de > l'ex-grand département de la Mifi fut renversé et
>>>> exclu du SDF par des > gens qui estimaient qu'il y avait trop de
>>>> Bamilekés à la tête des communes > de Douala en 1996, pour installer M.
>>>> Mpeh Elie. > 3 - Le 4ème député du SDF en région francophone
>>>> s'appelle Deffo Oumbé > Sangong. Il est Bamileké de de la Mifi, élu
>>>> dans la circonscription de la > Mifi pour succéder à Serges Noumba, qui
>>>> du
>>>> fait de ses difficultés avec Ni > John Fru Ndi, n'avait pas été
>>>> investi par le SDF et il dut se présenter en > dernière minute sous la
>>>> bannière du MRC. Elu Conseiller avec 4 autres > membres du MRC, il
>>>> vient
>>>> d'ailleurs d'être suspendu de ce parti pour avoir > voté
>>>> pour....le candidat RDPC Hilaire Foka Foka, au poste de Maire. > 4 -
>>>> Vous
>>>> noterez qu' à l'Ouest, l'un des rares communes contrôlée
>>>> par > l'opposition est celle de Bafang. Elle a été remportée par ...
>>>> l'Union des > Mouvement Socialistes (UMS) de Pierre Kwemo, ancien 1er
>>>> Vice président > national du SDF élu au Congrès de 2006 mais interdit
>>>> d'exercice de toute > activités politiques au sein du SDF 1 an après.
>>>> Il en démissionna pour > créer son propre parti l'UMS avec lequel il
>>>> a repris la ville de Bafang au > Rdpc qui l'avait ravie à l'UFDC
>>>> en 2002 avec à sa tête M. Siyam Siwe, alors > DG du PAD. > > Pourquoi,
>>>> je
>>>> rappelle tous ces quelques faits-là? Pour montrer que les > Bamilekés
>>>> n'ont jamais entendu quitter le SDF parce que ce dernier ne > voulait
>>>> pas aller aux élections ou quoi, comme l'écrit mon cher Divine. >
>>>> Mais les ambitions politiques personnelles régulièrement contrariées ont
>>>> >
>>>> fini par donner l'impression à quelques-uns, au début, et beaucoup
>>>> plust > tard, qu'on les y voulait à des fonctions subalternes.
>>>> Résultats beaucoup > qui sétaient investis dans ce parti l'ont
>>>> quitté, souvent la mort dans > l'âme, pour des fortunes diverses. Je
>>>> rappelle que le fait de contrarier > des ambitions politiques n'est
>>>> exclusif aux personnes d'ethnie Bamileké. Je > connais des cadres du
>>>> SDF, comme ceux du RDPC, qui ont du soit clquer la > porte, soit poussés
>>>> à
>>>> la porte soit démis sous des mobiles masquant souvent > à peine les
>>>> guerre
>>>> de positionnement. Alors arrêtons ces lectures primaires > des
>>>> évolutions
>>>> la scène politique nationale. Mais n'est-il pas révélateur >
>>>> d'une conception particulièrement primaire chez certains compatriotes
>>>> > d'expression anglophone, de la lutte pour l'émancipation des
>>>> Camerounais? > Je m'interroge assez souvent en lisant nos combattants
>>>> anglophones. Et je > comprends de mieux en mieux certaines logiques qui
>>>> structureraient > l'engagement politique de certains leaders que nus
>>>> croyions nationaux. > Je dis-ca-mais-je-ne-dis-rien > Bonne journée. > >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2013/10/21 Mishe Fon <mishefon@yahoo.com> >
>>>> >> **
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *What happened to the so-called "Luv Affair" between the SDF and the
>>>> >> Bamilekes? Talk of "fair weather friends". From your analysis, we
>>>> >> can
>>>> >> say >> without any iota of contradiction that the SDF is now solidly
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> >> Bamendrous >> party...since the Bamis (who claimed to be the back
>>>> >> bone and ATM machine >> that bank-rolls that Party) have silently
>>>> >> "gone
>>>> >> back" to the very >> CPDM/CNU Party that orchestrated the
>>>> >> slaughtering
>>>> >> of millions (Bamilekes, >> Bassas and Baminda peepoo) of what the
>>>> >> French called "Les Maquizards du >> Cameroun". The lone SDF seat in
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> Littoral is attributed to the strong >> Bamendrous presence in most
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> Bonaberi and environs. If the Bamis have >> forgiven their
>>>> >> "tortionnaires", my honest opinion is that, we the rest >> of
>>>> >> Cameroonians should simply forget this "Elections façade" and
>>>> >> everyone
>>>> >> >> should become a CPDM in a "One Party" dispensation. Whom are we
>>>> >> kidding >> here? Cameroonians are not ready for prime time
>>>> >> politicking
>>>> >> or we are not >> mature enough for any kind of democracy to take
>>>> >> route.
>>>> >> Let us allow >> tonton >> Popaul to govern until whenever he can no
>>>> >> longer govern. When he becomes >> completely "cadavere", he can then
>>>> >> bring any of his progeny to continue >> his >> legacy. I met Frank
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> New York. The guy is tall, nice and handsome, soft >> spoken,
>>>> >> probably
>>>> >> intelligent and looks "Presidentiable". Let tonton >> bring in
>>>> >> "Fiston". Some man na head cow? Eyadema, Bongo, Kabila, the >>
>>>> >> Clintons, the Bush's and many more are families "Destined" to
>>>> >> rule. Look >> at >> the US Congress or Senate. Most of the members
>>>> >> are
>>>> >> Sons, Daughters or >> wives >> of ex-Senators & Congressmen.
>>>> >> Honestly,
>>>> >> if Frank Biya is catapulted to >> that >> prestigious post, he has
>>>> >> my
>>>> >> immediate endorsement. Opposition Oui? Quelle >> opposition? Vous
>>>> >> vous
>>>> >> fouttez de ma guelle ou quoi. Meme si Frank refuse >> l,offre, les
>>>> >> Camerounais du RDPC et les soit disant opposants de "La >>
>>>> >> Mangeoirite
>>>> >> >> Presidentielle" vont lui prier par des Motions de Soutients
>>>> >> >> venant
>>>> >> de >> toutes les Provinces et la Diaspora (par radio, Internet,
>>>> >> Facebook, >> Twitter...a briguer le Mandat Presidentiel pour
>>>> >> continuer
>>>> >> le "Bon >> Travail"
>>>> >> entame par tonton le Pere de la Nation". How man go do norh?*
>>>> >> *Mishe Fon*
>>>> >> >> >> On Monday, October 21, 2013 7:19 AM, Bamenda Online < >>
>>>> >> >> >> donotreply@wordpress.com> wrote: >> Abongwa Fozo posted: "
>>>> >> >> >> The Social Democratic Front, SDF has once more >> emerged as
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> strongest opposition party in the country thanks to its >>
>>>> >> >> >> firm
>>>> >> >> >> >> grip on the Northwest where the party won 13 of the 20
>>>> >> >> >> >> seats
>>>> >> >> >> in the >> parliamentary election, leaving the CPDM with 7,
>>>> >> >> >> down
>>>> >> >> >> fro"
>>>> >> New post on *Bamenda Online*
>>>> >> <http://bamendaonline.net/?author=2> Parliamentary Election: SDF
>>>> >> wins
>>>> >> Northwest<http://bamendaonline.net/blog/parliamentary-election-sdf-wins-northwest/>
>>>> >> by
>>>> >> Abongwa Fozo <http://bamendaonline.net/?author=2>
>>>> >> [image: National Assembly] >> National Assembly >> The Social
>>>> >> Democratic Front, SDF has once more emerged as the strongest >>
>>>> >> opposition party in the country thanks to its firm grip on the
>>>> >> Northwest >> where the party won 13 of the 20 seats in the
>>>> >> parliamentary election, >> leaving the CPDM with 7, down from 9 in
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> 2007 election. >> The SDF won all three seats in Mezam, three of
>>>> >> four
>>>> >> seats in Bui, all >> two >> seats in Boyo, two of three seats in
>>>> >> Momo,while both parties share two >> seats each in Donga Mantung,
>>>> >> one
>>>> >> each in Menchum, the CPDM gapped all two >> seats in Ngoketunja. >>
>>>> >> The SDF also succeeded to add 5 more seats from the Littoral (3), >>
>>>> >> Southwest (1) and West region (1) to emerge with a total of 18 seats
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> >> the >> 180 lower house of parliament. The 18 MPs mean the SDF
>>>> >> >> would
>>>> >> once more >> boast of a parliamentary Group alongside the CPDM that
>>>> >> has
>>>> >> 148 MPs. >> Some 5,481,226 people registered for the election using
>>>> >> the biometric >> technology and 4,208,796 of them voted. Statistics
>>>> >> from the >> Constitutional >> Council indicate that there were
>>>> >> 1,272,430 abstentions, 185,503 void >> ballot >> papers, real votes
>>>> >> being 4,023,293 registering a participation rate of >> 76.79 per
>>>> >> cent.
>>>> >> >> Seven political parties share the 180 seats with the National
>>>> >> >> Union
>>>> >> for >> Democracy and Progress, NUDP picking up five seats down from
>>>> >> six, >> Cameroon >> Democratic Union, CDU maintained its four seats.
>>>> >> The Union des >> populations >> du Cameroun, UPC staged a come back
>>>> >> with three seats as well as the >> Dakole >> Daissala's Movement
>>>> >> for the Defence of the Republic, MDR with one seat. >> The >> new
>>>> >> comer
>>>> >> is Maurice Kamto's Cameroon Renaissance Movement, CRM with one >>
>>>> >> seat. The term of office of the Members of the National Assembly >>
>>>> >> tomorrow, >> October 29, 2013 during the first parliamentary
>>>> >> session.
>>>> >> *Below is the list of MPs Northwest Region according to party and
>>>> >> division*
>>>> >> *Boyo Division*
>>>> >> 1. NJONG EVARISTUS – SDF, BOYO >> 2. WAINANCHI NEGTOH HONOURINE–
>>>> >> SDF,
>>>> >> BOYO
>>>> >> *Bui Division*
>>>> >> 3. BANADZEM JOSEPH LUKONG– SDF, BUI WEST >> 14. MBIYBE CAROLINE–
>>>> >> SDF,
>>>> >> BUI WEST >> 5. KWEI ANDREW MNGO–RDPC, BUI WEST >> 6. WIRBA JOSEPH
>>>> >> MBIYDZENYUY –SDF, BUI SOUTH
>>>> >> *Donga Mantung*
>>>> >> 7. AWUDU MBAYA CYPRIAN–SDF, DONGA MANTUNG CENTRE >> 8. NGALA ESTHER
>>>> >> NTALA–SDF, DONGA MANTUNG CENTRE >> 9. GENESIS MBUCKSEK –RDPC, DONGA
>>>> >> MANTUNG EAST >> 10. ABE MICHAEL NDRA–RDPC, DONGA MANTUNG WEST
>>>> >> *Menchum*
>>>> >> 11. NDONG LARRY HILLS–SDF, MENCHUM NORTH >> 12. WALLANG RICHARD EBUA
>>>> >> –CPDM, MENCHUM SOUTH
>>>> >> *Mezam*
>>>> >> 13. FOBI NCHINDA SIMON–SDF, MEZAM CENTRE >> 14. FUSI NAAMUKONG
>>>> >> WILFRED
>>>> >> AZIYA–SDF, MEZAM NORTH >> 15. PAUL NJI TUMASANG–SDF, MEZAM SOUTH
>>>> >> *Momo*
>>>> >> 16. MBAH NDAM JOSEPH NJANG–SDF, MOMO EAST >> 17. EDENA ENIH
>>>> >> MBAH–SDF,
>>>> >> MOMO EAST >> 18. ENWE FRANCIS ABI–RDPC, MOMO WEST
>>>> >> *Ngoketunja*
>>>> >> 19. NJINGUM MUSA MBUTOH–CPDM, NGOKETUNJIA NORTH >> 20. BANMI
>>>> >> EMMANUEL
>>>> >> DINGHA –RDPC, NGOKETUNJIA SOUTH >> By Abongwa Fozo
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>>>> >> 2013
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