Goelji is right when he points out that bureaucracy has an important role.
Public Service Commissions select bureaucrats based on tested procedures. There should be no compromise on this count. In case it is found that the there are some weaknesses these need to be addressed immediately.
Here again politicians play an important role.If bureaucrats bend to accommodate the politicians, they are rewarded. If they do not, then they are harassed and their careers are damaged. It ultimately boils down to system of governance.
I wonder how much benefit country will get with training of politicians being discussed. ?
Regards,
Satish
On Sunday, 22 December 2013, 11:00, Virendra Goel <goel.virendra@gmail.com> wrote:
We are discussing the performance of ministers of the government, but we have to remember that performance of a minister depends a great deal on the competence of the bureaucracy working under him and his ability to handle them.
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Virendra Goel
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There is no special education and training for politicians. They are supposed to be selected by the people from their ranks. It implies that the politicians have to be trained as much and the levels of of Aam Admi. In other words general education level in the country must improve to the desired extent at all India level.
In any case foreign trained or graduates in selected fields have not performed any better in their political stints.. We seem to have reached road block as far country's governance is concerned.
Only solution we seem to have is that we must work out a system which must have following features:
(a) Evolve society which imposes pressures on individuals to perform in desired fashion.
(b) Evolve system of governance which effectively function at different levels.
(c) Our political system must be self cleansing and less lucrative.
Regards,
Satish
On Saturday, 21 December 2013, 16:11, Prabhakar Waghodekar <waghodekar@rediffmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Can we think of training those who are at the top? A professor in California
once told me " I am a professor in the University. Who can train me? I can train
others in whatever field they want!"
The top politicians are made up of such a unique combination that is the
outcome, the core of wisdom, social climate, socio-political environment blended
with a vision, and self-less services to the nation. Even if we open the pages
of history, Kings used to have NavRatnas or AshtaPradhans who are expert in
their fields. If one looks at the advanced countries we will find that most of
the ministers are military trained, and expertise in a particular field. How
many Defence Ministers of India can handle AK or tankers?
Directed training focused in certain limited areas may prove rewarding to the
politicians falling in the third and second line and not for those who have the
reigns in their hands.
Training is called in if we know the weak areas, potential of people and
matching training to such needs. For top leaders it is an abortive attempt for
how training can match the vision meant for the entire nation?
Vinoba Bhave says teacher or Guru is a path finder (Gatu Vita), he picks up your
finger, shows the path and let you go marching on your own. Same case with the
top leaders of any country. Indian History unfolds almost illiterate PM and CM
have outperformed the educated PM/CM. It does not mean that illiterate PM/CM are
preferred. But then we have to the gaps.
Regards.
Yours,
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In order to make our political leaders to think
andconduct themselves better, there may be a need to train them on
the fundamentals of economics ,
international trade etc.All the more reason,
as they are the policy makers of the nation.
Following news item could be of interest
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/info-tech/india-needs-
leadership-institutes-for-politicians-narayana-murthy/article5475017.ece
Regards
ORS Rao
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India needs leadership institutes for politicians:
Narayana Murthy
Mumbai, Dec.
18:
In order to improve public governance, India must create
institutions that can train the political class in economics and technology,
said Infosys Chairman N.R. Narayana Murthy. “India needs leadership institutes
for politicians. We need to ensure that adequate training is provided to
politicians in the areas of macro economics, rudimentary micro economics,
international trade and on the role of technology in improving public
governance,†he said.
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Marathwada Institute of Technology,
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Can we think of training those who are at the top? A professor in California
once told me " I am a professor in the University. Who can train me? I can train
others in whatever field they want!"
The top politicians are made up of such a unique combination that is the
outcome, the core of wisdom, social climate, socio-political environment blended
with a vision, and self-less services to the nation. Even if we open the pages
of history, Kings used to have NavRatnas or AshtaPradhans who are expert in
their fields. If one looks at the advanced countries we will find that most of
the ministers are military trained, and expertise in a particular field. How
many Defence Ministers of India can handle AK or tankers?
Directed training focused in certain limited areas may prove rewarding to the
politicians falling in the third and second line and not for those who have the
reigns in their hands.
Training is called in if we know the weak areas, potential of people and
matching training to such needs. For top leaders it is an abortive attempt for
how training can match the vision meant for the entire nation?
Vinoba Bhave says teacher or Guru is a path finder (Gatu Vita), he picks up your
finger, shows the path and let you go marching on your own. Same case with the
top leaders of any country. Indian History unfolds almost illiterate PM and CM
have outperformed the educated PM/CM. It does not mean that illiterate PM/CM are
preferred. But then we have to the gaps.
Regards.
Yours,
___________________________________________________________________
30 wrote
>
In order to make our political leaders to think
andconduct themselves better, there may be a need to train them on
the fundamentals of economics ,
international trade etc.All the more reason,
as they are the policy makers of the nation.
Following news item could be of interest
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/info-tech/india-needs-
leadership-institutes-for-politicians-narayana-murthy/article5475017.ece
Regards
ORS Rao
_______________________
India needs leadership institutes for politicians:
Narayana Murthy
Mumbai, Dec.
18:
In order to improve public governance, India must create
institutions that can train the political class in economics and technology,
said Infosys Chairman N.R. Narayana Murthy. “India needs leadership institutes
for politicians. We need to ensure that adequate training is provided to
politicians in the areas of macro economics, rudimentary micro economics,
international trade and on the role of technology in improving public
governance,†he said.
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