Re: Who is a Christian or What is Christianity? Part 5: CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST. CPDM MPs Demand Marafa’s Unconditional Release

Yes I think I joined some groups for a reason.

Yes other things can be posted, but when u fill

my box every day with who knows the bible better.

Instead of talking Southern Cameroons talk. I feel like

am in a gospel forum, which is not bad but let me no what

am in to. Please I do not even want to know what a church is.

 

     THE TRUTH ONLY MEAN SOMETHING IF THE PERSON
          LISTENING TO IT UNDERSTANDS IT.
. mk

Chairman SCNC Belgium
Melchizedek Kaavi
Melim City(LGA)
Northern Zone Bui
County Southern Cameroon
http://www.scncforsoutherncameroons.net
Web:  http://www.scylforfreedom.org

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Subject: Re: Who is a Christian or What is Christianity? Part 5: CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST. CPDM MPs Demand Marafa’s Unconditional Release

Must you comment?
Negatively as usual?
Being strong SPIRITUALLY does not make you weaker...on the contrary.
Moreover you do not know what a church is.
NANO

On 7/29/12, kaavi melchizedek <kaavimelchizedek@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is this already becoming a church? Please let me no asap.
>
>
>      THE TRUTH ONLY MEAN SOMETHING IF THE PERSON
>           LISTENING TO IT UNDERSTANDS IT.
> . mk
>
> Chairman SCNC Belgium
> Melchizedek Kaavi
> Melim City(LGA)
> Northern Zone Bui
> County Southern Cameroon
> http://www.scncforsoutherncameroons.net
> Web:  http://www.scylforfreedom.org
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
> To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
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> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Who is a Christian or What is Christianity? Part 5: CRUCIFIED
> WITH CHRIST. CPDM MPs Demand Marafa’s Unconditional Release
>
> Deeper and deeper.
> The Christian WAS CRUCIFIED with CHRIST.
> A POSITIVE and SOUND TRUTH.
> Reason why Apostle Paul..who was not even with Jesus when he was
> crucified could CATEGORICALLY STATE in Galatians 2:20:
> Ga 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I,
> but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I
> live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself
> for me.
> This is the simple and most POWERFUL Mystery-foundation of the CROSS
> and the NEW TESTAMENT Covenant.
> The Roman Catholics say it so well without understanding what it is
> really about.
> The New Covenant..who is this covenant with? Who are the parties? When
> was it signed? Who is the testator and how was it SEALED and WHY?
> All divine covenants are sealed with BLOOD and without the shedding of
> blood..there is neither redemption nor covenant.
> Reason why..on the night of his betrayal, the Lord Jesus signed a
> POWERFUL SPIRITUAL COVENANT between himself and MAN..witnesseth
> thereof by the LORD God himself.
> He took the BREAD, representing his body..and the wine..representing
> his blood...and he gave them unto his disciples..for an agreement...of
> blood.
> They ate of His BODY and DRANK of his blood.
> Their bodies became his BODY and their BLOOD became His BLOOD!
> This is the actual TRANS-SUBSTANTIATION..not the falsehood preached by
> some priests at the fake sacrament of the Eucharist!
> Hence...since we..who BELIEVE...were essentially SIN...OUR
> SINFUL-SELVES were CRUCIFIED with him on that CROSS.
> Reason why Apostle Paul..to whom this great spiritual mystery was made
> clear..could tell Peter.. Ga 2:20 I am crucified with Christ:
> nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life
> which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God,
> who loved me, and gave himself for me.
> When he died...we DIED!
> When he was buried..we were buried.
> When he was resurrected..we were resurrected.
> When he fought the devil for the keys of death..we were in HIM.
> REASON why, because we who were to believe..are JOINT-HEIRS!!!!!
> Romans 8:16-17
> 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
> children of God:
> 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with
> Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also
> glorified together.
> The Christian was NOT ONLY CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST...in the prophetic
> past.3.but he/she is also a Joint-HEIR of the Kingdom in the prophetic
> future.
> To be Contd.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/12, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 4 STEPS to God
>> 1 God Loves You!
>> The Bible says, "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only
>> Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal
>> life"
>> The problem is that . . .
>> ________________________________________
>> 2 All of us have done, said or thought things that are wrong. This is
>> called sin, and our sins have separated us from God.
>> The Bible says "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
>> God is perfect and holy, and our sins separate us from God forever.
>> The Bible says "The wages of sin is death."
>> The good news is that, about 2,000 years ago,
>> ________________________________________
>> 3 God sent His only Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins.
>> Jesus is the Son of God. He lived a sinless life and then died on the
>> cross to pay the penalty for our sins. "God demonstrates His own love
>> for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us."
>> Jesus rose from the dead and now He lives in heaven with God His
>> Father. He offers us the gift of eternal life -- of living forever
>> with Him in heaven if we accept Him as our Lord and Savior. Jesus said
>> "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father
>> except by Me."
>> God reaches out in love to you and wants you to be His child. "As many
>> as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God,
>> even to those who believe on His name." You can choose to ask Jesus
>> Christ to forgive your sins and come in to your life as your Lord and
>> Savior.
>> ________________________________________
>> 4 If you want to accept Christ as your Savior and turn from your sins,
>> you can ask Him to be your Savior and Lord by praying a prayer like
>> this:
>> "Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on
>> the cross for my sins.  Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of
>> eternal life.  I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and
>> Savior. I want to serve you always."
>> Did you pray this prayer?
>> YES NO
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>>
>> On 7/27/12, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Lesson 4. The Christian is ONE WITH GOD
>>>
>>> God is a Spirit.  Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him
>>> must worship him in spirit and in truth.
>>> As posted above..the Christian is a child of God BECAUSE the Lord God
>>> himself says so.
>>> Dogs give birth to dogs
>>> Lizards to Lizards.
>>> A spirit God can only engender children that are also SPIRITS
>>>
>>> Contrary to popular knowledge..Man is NOT Body-soul and Spirit.
>>> Man is a Spirit, he lives in a body and he has a soul.
>>>
>>> The SPIRIT OF MAN is the essential man. It is of God.  Jer 1:5 Before
>>> I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth
>>> out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto
>>> the nations...HE KNEW ME!!!!
>>>
>>> You too..if you believe...though the prophet here is not about the
>>> MINISTRY of the Prophet. The above is because the Father sent ALL his
>>> children here to make an impact. What impact have you made.
>>>
>>> Now when MAN sinned...DIVINITY AND DOMINION LEFT HIM.
>>>
>>> But on the Cross, the Lord Jesus RECONCILED ALL MEN...especially the
>>> believers to God.
>>>  2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto
>>> himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed
>>> unto us the word of reconciliation.
>>>
>>> The Christian is Now ONE WITH GOD...and this for many reasons.
>>> 1. A house divided against itself CANNOT STAND. A God DIVIDED against
>>> his own Children CANNOT STAND!  Lu 11:17 But he, knowing their
>>> thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is
>>> brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
>>>
>>> AND THE NAME OF THIS GOD IS LOVE! He has not burnt the devil in
>>> everlasting fire. Who do some preach this nonsense against Hell and
>>> Hell Fire?
>>>
>>> 2. See John 17: The POWER PRAYER OF JESUS...A PRAYER that God could not
>>> REFUSE!
>>> The Christian is the FRUIT of this POWERPRAYER
>>> John 17:5 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self
>>> with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
>>>  6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out
>>> of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have
>>> kept thy word.
>>>  7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me
>>> are of thee.
>>>  8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they
>>> have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee,
>>> and they have believed that thou didst send me.
>>>  9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou
>>> hast given me; for they are thine.
>>>  10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in
>>> them.
>>>  11 ¶ And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world,
>>> and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those
>>> whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
>>>  12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those
>>> that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son
>>> of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
>>>  13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world,
>>> that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
>>>  14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because
>>> they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
>>>  15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but
>>> that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
>>>  16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
>>>  17 ¶ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
>>>  18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them
>>> into the world.
>>>  19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be
>>> sanctified through the truth. {sanctified...: or, truly sanctified}
>>>  20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall
>>> believe on me through their word;
>>>  21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in
>>> thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that
>>> thou hast sent me.
>>>  22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they
>>> may be one, even as we are one:
>>>  23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
>>> and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved
>>> them, as thou hast loved me.
>>>  24 ¶ Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with
>>> me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given
>>> me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
>>>  25  O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have
>>> known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
>>>  26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that
>>> the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
>>>
>>> See From VERSE 20.
>>> 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall
>>> believe on me through their word;
>>>  21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in
>>> thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that
>>> thou hast sent me.
>>>  22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they
>>> may be one, even as we are one:
>>>  23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
>>> and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved
>>> them, as thou hast loved me.
>>>  24 ¶ Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with
>>> me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given
>>> me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
>>>
>>> POINT IS: THE LORD JESUS SAW MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE COMING AND HE
>>> PRAYED FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> You too...If you BELIEVE.
>>>
>>> To be CONTINUED.
>>>
>>> On 7/26/12, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> To be Continued.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/26/12, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 1.  FAITH
>>>>> 2. ETERNAL LIFE
>>>>> 3. A CHILD OF GOD...because God himself says so. Lizards give birth to
>>>>> lizards...dogs to dogs..but a God can only engender gods...See the
>>>>> Bible. Ps 82:6. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children
>>>>> of the most High. Confirmed by the Lord Jesus.. Joh 10:34 Jesus
>>>>> answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
>>>>>  1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
>>>>> incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for
>>>>> ever....FOREVER.
>>>>> ......................................
>>>>>  1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet
>>>>> appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we
>>>>> shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
>>>>>  1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself,
>>>>> even as he is pure.
>>>>>  1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
>>>>> righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
>>>>>  1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness
>>>>> in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
>>>>> {our love: Gr. love with us}
>>>>>
>>>>> I know who I am...reason why I walk..chin up, chest out and raise a
>>>>> lot of hell to the devil and his manifestations..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know that you are a child of God..if you did...you will stop
>>>>> doing silly things?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/26/12, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 1. FAITH
>>>>>> 2. ETERNAL LIFE
>>>>>> A Christian has eternal life. Many people do not know why in the
>>>>>> fullness of time, the Lord God sent his only begotten son, Jesus..THE
>>>>>> CHRIST..to earth. It was not to start a church. Neither did he come to
>>>>>> only save man from sin. He came to give us Zoe or Eternal Life ie the
>>>>>> Godkind of Life. See this. Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to
>>>>>> steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have
>>>>>> life, and that they might have it more abundantly. The LORD JESUS was
>>>>>> talking to LIVING BEINGS, you see? What kind of LIFE was this
>>>>>> then...ETERNAL LIFE, brother; This can be yours today. I will show you
>>>>>> how and why shortly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/26/12, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think it is very important at this stage to confute a few
>>>>>>> myths...and set things in Bible perspective about Christianity. Who
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a Christian and who is not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How Christian are you? Or, Are you a Christian? Test yourself. The
>>>>>>> Bible says.... 2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the
>>>>>>> faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that
>>>>>>> Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
>>>>>>> How do you know you are a Christian?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do Note that the Lord Jesus NEVER called his followers..Christians.
>>>>>>> The name Christian was actually given to Christians by UNBELIEVERS in
>>>>>>> Antioch...a Greek City.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now let us in a few short lessons test ourselves and prove to
>>>>>>> ourselves that we are either Christians or we are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way, Pastor Chris Oyakilome has a brilliant teaching on Who
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Christian is. I am merely paraphrasing and adding on a few other
>>>>>>> points.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't it amazing how many talk of Christians and about Christians
>>>>>>> without the least idea who a Christian is. Many Christians do not
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> the fullness of the DOMINION+POWER+DIVINITY they wield.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Listen a Christian is not a simplistic member of the Holy Roman
>>>>>>> Catholic Baptist Apostolic Pentecostal Winners Evangelical Only True
>>>>>>> Church of God Chapel!
>>>>>>> These names are all invented by man to suit WORLDLY purposes. Most of
>>>>>>> them even violate the precept of the Lord God!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example, on the day of Pentecost, the Pentecostals were outside
>>>>>>> getting drunk. The children of God were in the Upper Room praying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Holy Spirit came upon the children of God and not on the
>>>>>>> Pentecostals outside!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many so-called Christians do not even know that the Lord Jesus was
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> crucified on a Friday and hence he did not resurrect on a Sunday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LESSON ONE.
>>>>>>> A Christian HAS FAITH. Do you have FAITH? The basic faith is that
>>>>>>> FORCE that causes you to know that you know that you know that you
>>>>>>> know that you know that you know that you know that you know that you
>>>>>>> know that you know THAT THERE IS GOD and that he sent his Son Jesus
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> die for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have not seen the Lord God...you were not there when they
>>>>>>> crucified Jesus..yet you know this as MORE THAN A FACT!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/26/12, Emmanuel Konde <ekonde07@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> You do not knot know exactly when the word "Kezeh" became a part of
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> tribe's spoken "lexicon". Your tribe did not know of God until it
>>>>>>>> came
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> contact with a culture that had developed that concept and was on an
>>>>>>>> evangelical march to spread it all all costs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In April 1999 I presented a pape on the "reuropean Origins of
>>>>>>>> African
>>>>>>>> Slavery" at the Uniersity of Buea in which I argues that the concept
>>>>>>>> "slavery" did not exists in many sub-Sahran African cultures because
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> such social institutions predated the European introduction of the
>>>>>>>> slavery
>>>>>>>> trade in the 15th century.  There was an outcry of incredulity from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> auduence and Professor Ndi spoke for all.  "Dr. Konde," he quibbed,
>>>>>>>> "are
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> telling me that what my father and gradfather told me about slavery
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> village was wrong?"  My answer was an emphatic "yes" and I went on
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> explain why.  Some 150 years ago our ancestrors in tropical Africa
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> running about either stark naked or with leaves strewn together to
>>>>>>>> hide
>>>>>>>> their private parts.  Africans born in the late 1800s and early
>>>>>>>> 1900s
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> never saw their people wearing leaves would testify today that their
>>>>>>>> forebears were always clad in suits.   Our own children will never
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> we lived in
>>>>>>>>  "mart houses" with tatched roofs; that the "latrine" was a hole dug
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> ground and located far away from the house we inhabited.  Why?
>>>>>>>> Because
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> only restroom they know are the ones that are extensions of their
>>>>>>>> bedrooms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, you do not know when "Kezeh"  became a permanent word of your
>>>>>>>> dialect.
>>>>>>>> Had Africans had a concept of God, a God in whom they believed, they
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> never have fallen so cheaply when Europeans brought their own
>>>>>>>> concept
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>> to fill the vacuum.  Cultures that had developed their own concepts
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>> were conquered but never fully succumbed to Christianity.  European
>>>>>>>> Christianity had its most astounding success among sub-Saharan
>>>>>>>> Africans
>>>>>>>> because these Africans had no appreciable indigenous concept of
>>>>>>>> God.  You may elect to continue wallowing....  I am done with this
>>>>>>>> lesson.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Geographically, Ethiopia can be classified as sub-Sahran.  Religion,
>>>>>>>> however, is not discussed in terms of geography but as culture.
>>>>>>>> Hence,
>>>>>>>> culturally, Ethiopia is not sub-Saharan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The problem of power is how to get men of power to live for the
>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>> rather than off the public." Robert F. Kennedy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>  From: Esu Ndzem-Usu <ndzemusu@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:19 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [camnetwork] //Konde//Re: CPDM MPs Demand
>>>>>>>> Marafa’s
>>>>>>>> Unconditional Release
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Konde
>>>>>>>> The word "Kezeh" (God) exists in my culture and has been so for as
>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> the language exists. Its connotations may have altered over the
>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> that does not eliminate the fact that it has always been there.
>>>>>>>> Words
>>>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>>> a meaning and the meaning of each word explains parts of the culture
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> people. Words like "Kumbuoh" or aircraft and "Tabele" (table) were
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> recently introduced into the language as our culture became exposed
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> world. This increase in verb can only show a vibrant culture
>>>>>>>> adapting
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> new world. For your information, a concept of Heaven  "Biwung" also
>>>>>>>> existed
>>>>>>>> in my culture for thousands of years. Heaven is a place where one
>>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>> his/her loved ones. Those with thousands of enemies while on earth
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> meet only those enemies who would make life more miserable for them.
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>> will be their hell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps in some low level micro-cultures such as yours, these
>>>>>>>> concepts
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> absent. It was not the case with many cultures of Africa, from
>>>>>>>> Egypt,
>>>>>>>> Ethiopia and so on. The Pharoas long journey home (to God) with all
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> precious possessions is what still obtains in most Tikar fondoms of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Bamenda grassfields.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, you carve out new denominations for people when you find
>>>>>>>> yourself
>>>>>>>> stuck with a wrong thesis. Ethiopia is always considered a
>>>>>>>> sub-saharan
>>>>>>>> country, a country below the sahara desert. Magrebian countries,
>>>>>>>> mostly
>>>>>>>> moslems today, are those not included when geographers and economist
>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>> about sub-saharan Africa. The orthodox religion in Ethiopia and
>>>>>>>> classical
>>>>>>>> catholicism have only semantic differences. How dare you belittle
>>>>>>>> yourself
>>>>>>>> by thinking that Christianity is a whiteman's religion? Is Ethiopia
>>>>>>>> White?
>>>>>>>> Only complexes can cause one to think Christianity is White. Infact
>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>> muslims arrived, most of Africa was Christian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One does not need to feel superior to those we left in the village
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>> schooled. Education helps us see that there is more that we have to
>>>>>>>> learn. Learning includes the wisdom and wealth embedded in our local
>>>>>>>> cultures. Hope you too can get out of your ivory tower and learn
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> people you left behind. EN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>  From: "ekonde07@yahoo.com" <ekonde07@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:41 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [camnetwork] //Konde//Re: CPDM MPs Demand
>>>>>>>> Marafa’s
>>>>>>>> Unconditional Release
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ethiopia is not classified as part of what is commonly referred as
>>>>>>>> sub-Saharan Africa. The historical development of Ethiopia, like
>>>>>>>> Egypt,
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> distinct from that of sub-Saharan Africa.  Ethiopian Christianity is
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same as the European Christianity that was employed as agency for
>>>>>>>> colonizing
>>>>>>>> the black humankind of sub-Saharan Africa.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All cultures do not have a concept of God. Most sub-Saharan African
>>>>>>>> cultures
>>>>>>>> did not until the coming of Europeans.  Stones and rivers and snakes
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> believed to have magical powers that could help people attain
>>>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>>  These magical forces, like the power of rain-making had nothing to
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a concept of God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is easy to confuse the transformation of ideas ushered by
>>>>>>>> European
>>>>>>>> domination to reflect the thinking of the dominators as
>>>>>>>> pre-existing.
>>>>>>>> Three
>>>>>>>> simple question: (1) "What was the "concept of God" held by your own
>>>>>>>> tribal
>>>>>>>> group in 1350?
>>>>>>>> (2) What is the "concept of God" that your
>>>>>>>>  tribesmen hold today, 2012?
>>>>>>>> (3) How did the transformation occur from the 1350 concept to the
>>>>>>>> 2012
>>>>>>>> concept?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ANSWER: In anthropology the answer is located in the concept of
>>>>>>>> "culture
>>>>>>>> contact".   When inferior cultures come into contact with superior
>>>>>>>> cultures,
>>>>>>>> the latter invariably prevails. The notion that "all cultures have a
>>>>>>>> concept
>>>>>>>> of God" that you propound is derived not from the learning you
>>>>>>>> acquired
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> your tribal village school but from your European schooling. You now
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> yourself superior, having acquired attributes of a superior culture,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> now embarked on redefining and imposing concepts on peoples who
>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>> entertained the slightest notion of the "concept of a God".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From:  Esu Ndzem-Usu <ndzemusu@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> Sender:  camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:24:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>>> To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com<camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> ReplyTo:  camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [camnetwork] //Konde//Re: CPDM MPs Demand
>>>>>>>> Marafa’s
>>>>>>>> Unconditional Release
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is pathetic coming from a historian that "The Christianity that
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> brought to sub-Saharan Africa was the European variety."
>>>>>>>> Accordingly,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Christianity in Ethiopia was brought by Europeans too I suppose. One
>>>>>>>> finds
>>>>>>>> that people expected to inform others about what is/was have no clue
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the Christianity in Europe was only taken there from Africa and the
>>>>>>>> middle
>>>>>>>> east. Before Christian Europe, the Romans had the same hidden
>>>>>>>> cultures
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> those of the typical Bassas of equatorial Cameroun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Konde, I can surely asset that of the many cultures and
>>>>>>>> micro-cultures
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the world, all have a concept of God. You can consult Eastern
>>>>>>>> Religions
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> philosophes and African religions to consolidate this point. If you
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> otherwise, all you need do is find one that has not and we will take
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> there. One need not know how many cultures exist in the world. That
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> a vane exercise. Each culture has its own concept of God. EN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>  From: "ekonde07@yahoo.com" <ekonde07@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:09 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [camnetwork] //Konde//Re: CPDM MPs Demand
>>>>>>>> Marafa’s
>>>>>>>> Unconditional Release
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All cultures do not have a concept of God.  What do you mean by a
>>>>>>>> concept
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> God? Who or what is God?   What does the concept of God entail in
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> cultures? How many cultures are there in the world?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Christianity that was brought to sub-Saharan Africa was the
>>>>>>>> European
>>>>>>>> variety. It is the white man's religion.  Unless you want to paint
>>>>>>>> Jesus,
>>>>>>>> Peter, and Paul black, I do not see where your argument is leading.
>>>>>>>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From:  Esu Ndzem-Usu <ndzemusu@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> Sender:  camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:50:35 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>>> To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com<camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> ReplyTo:  camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [camnetwork] //Konde//Re: CPDM MPs Demand
>>>>>>>> Marafa’s
>>>>>>>> Unconditional Release
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "All cultures and races do not share the same conception of god."
>>>>>>>> Konde
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I knew Konde would react as usual without understnding what was
>>>>>>>> written.
>>>>>>>> This is uncommon behavior from one who claims scholarship. Scholars
>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>> time to understand what is said before propounding a thesis. Not
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> so-called guru. I implore Konde to read one more time what is
>>>>>>>> written
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> order to get a grasp of the message.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All cultures have a concept of God does not mean that  all cultures
>>>>>>>> "share
>>>>>>>> the same concept of God." We see from this simple difference
>>>>>>>> who regorgitates "rubbish." Whether one culture sees God as a stone
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> hill and the other sees God as an omnipotent being, they all have a
>>>>>>>> concept
>>>>>>>> of God. Some may not want to hear about the concept of the Christian
>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> absolutely nothing tells us that Christianity is a whiteman's
>>>>>>>> religion.
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> historian does not know this fact, one wonders what kind of a
>>>>>>>> historian
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> may be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ma Combi JTA, you raise a subtle point about polygamy for which I
>>>>>>>> sincerely
>>>>>>>> may have no clue.  Biblical Solomon had 800 wives and 200
>>>>>>>> concubines.
>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>> Christianity preaches one wife. As Christians, there are rules of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Church
>>>>>>>> which may be different from those of God. Reason why I insinuated
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> groups may hold whatever view the may, but it does not stop the
>>>>>>>> existence
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Truth, even if that Truth is beyond human reach.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally, Manu asks about the word "sintropism." Certainly you will
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> it anywhere in the english dictionary. Sintropism as used in this
>>>>>>>> context
>>>>>>>> simply means gravitating towards sin in the same way plants
>>>>>>>> gravitate
>>>>>>>> towards light in phototropism. EN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>  From: Emmanuel Konde <ekonde07@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:50 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [camnetwork] //Konde//Re: CPDM MPs Demand
>>>>>>>> Marafa’s
>>>>>>>> Unconditional Release
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What rubbish you propound! Is the white man's god the same as the
>>>>>>>> god
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> black man?  At the onset of the Haitian Revolution, the voodoo
>>>>>>>> priest
>>>>>>>> named
>>>>>>>> Bookman initiated the Black Revolt with an incantation that
>>>>>>>> distinguished
>>>>>>>> between the god of the white man, who actuated them to do evil; and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> god
>>>>>>>> of black man, who implored them to avenge the evil of the white
>>>>>>>> man.  Incidentally, it is only the Haitian Revolution initiated by
>>>>>>>> Black
>>>>>>>> humankind that succeeded in defeating three European powers (France,
>>>>>>>> Britain, and Spain) and pushing back American intervention.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All cultures and races do not share the same conception of god.  All
>>>>>>>> cultures do not have what the white man calls god.  The notion that
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> cultures have gods is new and came into being with the ascendancy of
>>>>>>>> Europeans, which enabled them to impose their conception of god on
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> backward cultures that they brought under their domination.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The problem of power is how to get men of power to live for the
>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>> rather than off the public." Robert F. Kennedy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>  From: E
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