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Monday, December 3, 2012

Re: [Cameroonpatriots] the difference between a host and a guest

 Gertrude,
you are very very right atleast to accept the facts of taking refuge in Southern Cameroons but your perspective is clouded by the same ego of complicity against your host and protectors. The truth is that a  host and a guest can't bear the same lost in case of disaster. Imagine that you allow a refugee or displaced  family into your household and after  the crisis is over, and instead of returning to their former homeland decided to receive a parcel of land beside you to continue their natural habitation.
 
After some time your children and those of your guest's  family start looking for their roots as the rightful owners, what happen if the guest undermines the host's hospitality and claims ownership and goes further to claim welfare and scholarship? Then because of the guest's duel statusquo, speaking both languages with ease and even surpass your legitimate children. What will you do in these circumstances? Remember that UPCists where those who propagated unification through OK (one kamerun) a political outfit that replaced UPC during their escape to Southern Cameroonians.
 
Secondly,  what have the former refugees done to appreciate the hospitality and giving them a chance to spare their lives, have eductation and dignity in the face of the similar abuses from their common aggressor on their host?  Nay, they rather turn round to become spies and sellouts in the face of gaining double benefits from their former abuser. You see gratitude is a difficult value to come by, yet where does the bassa, bamilike, beti, douala in Southern Cameroons pay allegiance, to their homeland in La Republique.
 
Gertrude, we can not be "Anglofools" all the time because 50 years of cohabitation have proven that all you people are interested in is to maintain the statusquo and not the welfare of Southern Cameroons. Take note that we can not sacrifice our own children's future because of the good samaritan that we are. You know that SONARA is a reserve for the Bassas, and the NPMB was transfered to Douala and destroyed, Governors in North west and South west are often imposed from Yaounde without considering their language orientation. Sport instructors in Southern Cameroons schools is a reserve for francophones, even though they may not speak english. Again when  names like Ntamark and Kisob are selected in sporting, training or to work as Anglophones they mingle mostly with their Bassa brothers from the East Camerooun and not otherwise.
 
A vivid  example is the debate at hand, you and others have read what a certain PAT10 have writen yet non of you have raised a voice against him, but rather your anger is against Southern Cameroonians for daring to defend their God given right of self determination and independence. The ball is certainly in your court as Southern Cameroonians are bend on achieving this feat comes rain, sun or thunder!
george
 
From: Gertrude Kisob <gkisob@yahoo.com>
To: "Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com" <Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2012, 23:23
Subject: [Cameroonpatriots] As Ni Fru Ndi who has fought the most for our cause has said...
 
My dear brothers and sisters,We are letting the anger we have for Biya ruin our lives. Our brothers and sisters are trying to identify and embrace us, but we continue to take the anger we have for a few rob us of our humanity and love for our fellow Cameroonians. As Ni Fru Ndi who has fought the most for our cause has said, there are some Francophones who have suffered as much as the Anglophones have. So he is fighting for ALL Cameroonians. I will also like to add that there are some Anglophones who have enjoyed and continue to enjoy from this regime just like or more than some of the Francophones we talk about. For us to alienate our brothers who are trying to embrace us to fight a common enemy is a travesty. I grew up in Kumba and was familiar with Bamelike's, Ewondos, Basa's and people from almost every part of Cameroon. Some of these people were running away from the maltreatment they were facing from their part of the country. Now that they identify with us and we continue to call them names, they must feel like a lost lot. Some of them have never been back or will not be welcomed in their own tribe. And here we are, victimizing them again. When are we going to identify the real criminal. When are we going to get on the backs of those who are truly rubbing us blind. Why are most of us out of Cameroon, because we do not like the system. So why do the Francophones identify with us, because they too do not like their system. Like it or not, we are currently an integral part of each others life. So we need to learn to accept and live with the other or we are creating an atmosphere which will hunt us in the future. My advice, get with it and lets fight the common enemy and share the spoils of war. Do I hear some people say "simplistic". Yes. most things are but we always try to make it more complicated than it should be.

 
Gertrude Kisob
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From: Ntungwen Elvis Galabe <ntungala@yahoo.com>
To: Campatriots <Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com>; "azehmuma@yahoo.co.uk" <azehmuma@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Cameroonpatriots] Letter to All Cameroonians
 
The deliberate and pretentious misunderstanding of the anglophone problem by francophones in Cameroon is provocative...i do not think they can be separated from the blame resting on the shoulders of their leaders who are themselves recruited from among their lot...
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From: Azeh Muma <azehmuma@yahoo.co.uk>;
To: Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com <Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [Cameroonpatriots] Letter to All Cameroonians
Sent: Sat, Dec 1, 2012 7:28:35 PM
 
Sir you are in the dictinary NOT with Cameroon realitiy. Anglophoe = someone whose original tribe is within the now called North West and South West Regions. It has nothing to do with your learning Englsh. Please could you really be serious! For this is the rublish we have been told for long time!
From: PATRICK FOSSO <fopatrick2@yahoo.fr>
To: "Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com" <Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2012, 11:15
Subject: Re: [Cameroonpatriots] Letter to All Cameroonians
 
Hello my dears,
 
I have been reading the comments of people here about this important issue. At the beguinning i refused to react but some point of view, i don't share, obliged me to contribute to this debate.
First of all when we talk about anglophone we reffer to a person who identifies himself as using the english language as mean of communication. this "anglophone" terminology had a meaning in the past since cameroon was divided into two groups of people: Some speaking french and others speaking english. 
But nowadays, due to the dynamism of the population and the possibility for any parent to choose the appropriate educational system for his children, the anglophone terminology is gradually loosing its substance or its meaning. The cameroonian from the north will send his children to english schools and they will become bilingual. Cameroonian from the NW or SW region born in yaoundé or douala and growing up in a bilingual environment will be using both languages with the same importance. I myself i studied bilingual studies at the university of yaoundé as many classmates and we spend a semester in Bamenda for studies. We have parents from both sides of cameroon.
What is the meaning of the terms "Anglophone" and "Francophone" for the new generation of cameroonians, i mean the young generation? My answer? they are meaningless. They belong to the past. The modern cameroonian is bilingual if not multilingual. He speaks french,english, pidgin camfranglais and cameroonian languages and that makes his pride when he is talking to people from other countries who speak only one language.  We want to be called cameroonians. We want to be given a chance to live in a peaceful world. Our nation is only 51 years old and we want to grow by solving our problems gradually. But please let us not fight the "wrong ennemy" "Ne combattons pas le faux combat".
 
Très fraternellement!!!
 
 
Patrick Fosso
De : Azeh Muma <azehmuma@yahoo.co.uk>
À : "Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com" <Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Vendredi 30 novembre 2012 13h56
Objet : Re: [Cameroonpatriots] Letter to All Cameroonians
 
Please my Francophones Cameroonians the truth is and remains that before this Government in Cameroon appoints somebody the check to see that you are from the former LRC, if it is English then they look for someonewho is of that origin and speak English if not how can you explain that ALL Ambassadors in English speaking countries are francophones USA, UK, Canada, Nigeria, South Africa etc.
Honestly for any person of LRC origin whether with an anglophone culture to REFUSED that there is not anglophone maginalisation s/he is a devil!
Mr. Youmssi please mind your writings!
From: "youmssi@yahoo.com" <youmssi@yahoo.com>
To: Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012, 2:27
Subject: Re: [Cameroonpatriots] Letter to All Cameroonians
 
Cameroon in one country, one nation and one people.
I'm bamileke and I don't know what is anglophone and what is francophone.
Anglophone are free to learn and speak french as well as francophone are free to learn and speak english and get equal chances and advantages.
Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
From: Azeh Muma <azehmuma@yahoo.co.uk>
Sender: Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:35:23 +0000 (GMT)
To: Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com<Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cameroonpatriots] Letter to All Cameroonians
 
That is very correct I just left that hell due to such frustration. When I think of it, it makes tear come down my eyes.
From: Fon Fon Christopher <fonfonc@yahoo.fr>
To: Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 21:57
Subject: Re: [Cameroonpatriots] Letter to All Cameroonians
 
Please Mr  Ntep  what  you  say  is  quite  true.  But  honestly  there  is  an  anglophone problem  which Mr  Biya  is  very  much  aware  of.  In  fact  that  was  even  why he  came  to  power  because  he  made  Mr  Ahidjo - whose  main  problem  at  that  time  was  the  integration  of  the  two Cameroon- believed  that  he  could  manage that  situation.  This  brought  about  the  20th  may 1972  supposed  peaceful  revolution. Ahidjo  had  faith  in  him.  After  when  he  took  over  office  strange  enough  he  never  appeared  to  the  field  for  the  20th  may  match past  as  if  to  show  the  anglophones  he  sympathized  with  them  and  that  20th  may  was   out  of  place.  In  fact  strange  because  he  was  one  of  the  main  actors.  To  win  the  anglophones  confidence  he  went  further  to  visit  Bamenda  as  the  first  place  in  Cameroon  and  further  Nigeria  out  of  Cameroon. These  instances  made  the  right  thinking  Anglophone  to  believe  that  Mr  Biya  was  for  them.  But  shortly  afterward  after  gaining  that  confidence he  betrayed  the  Anglophones  by  transforming  that  very  20th  may  a  national  holiday  and  11th  february  youth  day .  He  went  further  to  declare  the  Republic  making  all  Anglophone identity  lost.  Ask  a  young  Cameroonian  what  is  the  significance of 11th  february  he  will  never  say  plebiscite because  he  does  not  know - a people s history lost.  If  you  have  ever  worked  in  Cameroon- as  I  have  done-  you  will  know  that  the  Anglophones place  is  that  of  almost  slavery. He  is  a  very  good  technician  but  can never  be given  room  to any  decision making - sad.  You  need  to  be  there  - they  are  second  class  citizens.  This  has  made  the  Cameroonians  from  the  francophone  regions  who  have  studied  english - like  the  people  of  the  11th  province  take  much  advantage.  They  will  declare  at  every  juncture  their  anglophone  seemingly  background  but  will  be  preferred  by  their  brothers  the  francophones.  So  you  see  there  is  a  big  problem.  When  you  want  to  go  further  they  will  bring  the  problem  of  minority  in  the  Cameroonian  context.  Here  they  coin  it  now  to tribal  minority  and  never  talking  of  West  Cameroon  which  joined  their eastern  counterpart  after they - eastern -  had  their  independence  in  1960  excluding  the Anglophone.  And  these  very  anglophones  came  in  as  a  federated state.
People  of  Cameroon  why  do  we  pretend  there  is  no problem. Tell  me  when  an  Anglophone  can  be  a  president?

--- En date de : Jeu 29.11.12, Armand Ntep <Bantuphonic@aol.com> a écrit :

De: Armand Ntep <Bantuphonic@aol.com>
Objet: Re: [Cameroonpatriots] Letter to All Cameroonians
À: Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Jeudi 29 novembre 2012, 0h45

 
A Tous bonsoir permettez S'il vous plait de reagir dans ce debat, non en tant que francophone mais plutot en tant que Camerounais et j'allais dire mieux , Africain et citoyen de ce monde. a Mr Mishe qui a initie ce debat se trompe de cible, on ne peut pas vouloir renverser Biya et se plaindre de tous les "francophones", qui sont au depart des Africains comme tout le reste, c'est donner trop d'importance a cette categorie de personnes. La realite est la, des 2 cotes: Anglos et francos, souffrent dans une misere indescriptible... et biensure des 2 cotes , il faut reconnaitre que,d'aucun ont bien beneficie des aides du leadership "Francophone" en place , des bourses ... pour se rendrent aux USA, en Europe...et d;ailleurs continuent meme.. je crois sincerement que Mr Mishe se trompe de cible, Puisque Biya avec l'aide de ces parrains nous ont depasse ( Francos/Anglos), a defaut d'obliger Biya a quitter le pouvoir,laisser ce Mr mourrir de sa propre mort et,a partir de la, esperer un changement , j'espere veritabe et benefique pour tous les Camerounais des 4 coins. Pour moi, que le Prochain President soit du NW, SW C, N, je m'en tape pourvu que nous avancions dans un pays Pleinement libre et democratique. Cette culpabilisation recurrente de certain freres anglophones me fait penser aux reactions de certain de nos freres de la diaspora qui nous accusent de les avoir vendus....Au lieu de pleurer , et toujours culpabiliser les autres, trouvons ensemble le moyen d'avancer pour notre bien et biensure celui de l'Humanite Tous mes respects et bonne soiree aux membres de ce Forum. Armand Ntep (artiste musician). -----Original Message----- From: Francis Njung <njungf@yahoo.com> To: Cameroonpatriots <Cameroonpatriots@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 1:17 pm Subject: Re:[Cameroonpatriots]Open Letter to FRANCOPHONE Cameroonians Its good to know that the best bilingual people since I started as a kid are always from English or Anglo-saxon backgrounds. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT???
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