Hi Atemkeng,
to get an effective cure for an ailment, you have to first diagnose the problem. Before calling for a conference, have you diagnosed that our problem is lack of exposure of the problem?.
SCAPO did a good job in Banjul in exposing the problem. SCNC is in UNPO and exposing the problem. Ayaba and Akwanga have broken new ground with Kilimanjaro to expose the problem. Ambazonia with the interpleader at the ICJ and otherwise exposed the problem. Are you still prescribing problem exposure via a conference as a remedy to our problem?
Whilst the value of a conference or conferences cannot be totally discounted, I sincerely think that is not a total remedy. People have heard and are hearing us but do not want to engage with the problem or are not prioritising it.
In fact the international community think that despite our unfortunate lot, we are blessed in that there is peace in our territory and no one is interested to rock the boat by changing the status quo and end up with a situation that is worse.
We have been advised before that even with 1000 conferences we will not be heard until we change the "dynamics on the ground", then one conference will be enough. ACHPR knows we were short changed. They are not stupid. The issue is whether with relative stability and peace in an area anyone is willing to creat or resurrect a new state in the area with the possible bye products it can come with not to talk of possible precedence setting in a fragmented continent.
I believe the Youth League is going the correct direction, the Fon of Ambazonia is following some good leads with the Bakassi people in Nigeria, SCAPO and others are also doing their best. The main issue is capacity building both financial and otherwise to be capable of making meaningful change on the ground if need be. For now, some think we are time wasters. Various groups with less problems than ours have risen and acted and the world has heard them even without a single conference.
Regards
Tumasang
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Subject: [cameroon_politics] Re: WHAT IS THE STATUS OF FORMER TRUST TERRITORIES BEFORE THE ICJ?
That is the 20 million dollar question. When it comes to that our people, strong on the over moot questions, are very much wanting.
Prof
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to get an effective cure for an ailment, you have to first diagnose the problem. Before calling for a conference, have you diagnosed that our problem is lack of exposure of the problem?.
SCAPO did a good job in Banjul in exposing the problem. SCNC is in UNPO and exposing the problem. Ayaba and Akwanga have broken new ground with Kilimanjaro to expose the problem. Ambazonia with the interpleader at the ICJ and otherwise exposed the problem. Are you still prescribing problem exposure via a conference as a remedy to our problem?
Whilst the value of a conference or conferences cannot be totally discounted, I sincerely think that is not a total remedy. People have heard and are hearing us but do not want to engage with the problem or are not prioritising it.
In fact the international community think that despite our unfortunate lot, we are blessed in that there is peace in our territory and no one is interested to rock the boat by changing the status quo and end up with a situation that is worse.
We have been advised before that even with 1000 conferences we will not be heard until we change the "dynamics on the ground", then one conference will be enough. ACHPR knows we were short changed. They are not stupid. The issue is whether with relative stability and peace in an area anyone is willing to creat or resurrect a new state in the area with the possible bye products it can come with not to talk of possible precedence setting in a fragmented continent.
I believe the Youth League is going the correct direction, the Fon of Ambazonia is following some good leads with the Bakassi people in Nigeria, SCAPO and others are also doing their best. The main issue is capacity building both financial and otherwise to be capable of making meaningful change on the ground if need be. For now, some think we are time wasters. Various groups with less problems than ours have risen and acted and the world has heard them even without a single conference.
Regards
Tumasang
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Subject: [cameroon_politics] Re: WHAT IS THE STATUS OF FORMER TRUST TERRITORIES BEFORE THE ICJ?
That is the 20 million dollar question. When it comes to that our people, strong on the over moot questions, are very much wanting.
Prof
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Chief,
Thanks very much for your response. I have read the various responses to my question.
With all the legal minds we have, why can we not even organise a mere international conference to expose the ICJ ruling on Bakassi? Here we are, with all the facts and arguments, yet, unable to reach the world with our case, unable to raise the issue outside of our circles!! Is it so impossible for us to mobilize funds and hold an international conference in a suitable location like Addis Ababa and expose our case to the world?
Regards.
Atemnkeng.
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Dr Tumasang, Thanks for referring to this Judgment. I also read the arbitration decision concerning the same matter. I wish to refer to the opinion of Judge Oda hereunder and to state that by not challenging the lgal status of La Republique du Cameroun over the Southern Cameroons, not only did us a great disservice but acted in bad faith and in violation of its own High Court order to defend our interest in the Land and Maritime Case, Cameroun Vs Nigeria. This case in perspective was one of the greatest diplomatic and legal strategies to challenge the force occupation of East Timor by Indonesia in order to attain the decision aptaly stated by Judge Oda. To so, Australia dared Indonesia by laying claims to and occupying part of the East Timor Continental Shelf , ofcourse in full agreement of the East Timorese Liberation Front that wwas involved in armed conflict to expel Indonesia from their territory. Australia than through diplomatic channels invited Portugal to file an action against Australian occupation and claim over that part of the territory. The decision that followed clearly defined the status of the Portugal's colonial possession of East Timor in law. reaffirmed her right to self deterimination and as well as confirmed the UN obligations towards the ensuring that those inalienable rights were respected. Indonesia's came out the loser and the occupied territory ofEast Timor the winner. From then Australia moved to the next stage of supporting the struggle of East Timor for freedom and independence. It finally made substantial contributions of its armed forces to the International forces that were deployed to the territory. Had Nigeria challenged the pleadings in the case filed by La Republique as we have argued, the ICJ might have taken the occasion to clearly define our status in international. From a posting by Dr Mbua concerning the procedure and jurisdiction in bringing all actions concerning the execution of the trusteeship agreement, Nigeria as an interested party had locus standi to raise tha matter before the ICJ. Failing to do so makes Nigeria as culpable and even complicit in our occupation and colonial status just La Republique du Cameroun, the principal perpetrator. The lack of locus of Portugal was due to the fact that rather than grant independence to East Timor, it merely packed out and left the territory to be forcefully occupied by Ndonesis. Thanks again for bringing this jurisprudence to our attention. [p. 118 S.O. Oda] 19. Irrespective of the status of East Timor - which is still in abeyance according to the United Nations - and irrespective of the rights of the people of East Timor to self-determination guaranteed by the United Nations Charter, it is clear that Portugal has not been considered - at least since the early l980s - to be a coastal State lying opposite to Australia and that in 1991, when Portugal's Application was filed in the Registry of the Court, it did not have any authority over the region of East Timor, from the coast of which the continental shelf extends south-wards in the Timor Sea. --- On Sun, 2/3/13, Tumasang Martin <tumasangm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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