College & Education: Re: [camnetwork] NW / SW divide

Farjucom

There is no such thing as hatred among the so called North West and
South West as some intellectual eunucks will want to put.
Example: I come from Kugwe in the so called NW and through all my
youth and schooling age all the money that was used for my scholling
came from Kendem Palm oil farms. Kendem is home town to my very
Ekinneh Agbaw Ebai and located in the so called SW. Most of the people
working in oil palms there and making good living for themselves are
from the so called NW. I have never heard of any scuffles between
people from this area and so called NWners.

All the so called hatred is the handiwork of some lazy folks and
intellectual dunces like Alôga Konde seeking to be patronized by
francophones overlords.

You may want to talk to a grass root militant like PAP Candidate for
upper Banyang who is on this forum to get the reality.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BOTHER ABOUT THAT.

Aaron

On 3/2/13, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com> wrote:
> Na Waaooouh!!!!!!
> When a Bassaman eternalizes the dividelines created by francophone
> regimes in their habitual DIVIDE and RULE strategy....
> When a Bassaman gets folks on both sides of the said divide to
> continue knocking their heads......
> If there is any head to knock I know whose....KONDE'S EMPTY
> HEAD....and with the same kind of violence that sophism and
> intellectual terrorism breeds...
> And, as we all know..EMPTY HEADS do make some GOOD SOUND.
> Very GOOD SOUND!
> Ghoulish smirk on my face is what I have....
>
> On 3/2/13, Emmanuel Konde <ekonde07@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What you describe is a personal issue and lacks depth. The story is
>> obviously made up by you. If the student from the South West you
>> describe
>> wanted nothing to do with the students from the North West, why did he
>> seek
>> assistance from the very person he did not wantto deal with?
>>
>> What do you mean by "hatred"? The haters are those who want to suppress
>> free thought and expression. There is a divide, a cleavage, based on
>> conflicting political cultures and historical experience.... One side
>> (SW) seeks political equality; the other side (NW) seeks
>> politicaldomination. The NWesterners invariably act as a "collectivity",
>> say, a hundred people acting as if they were one person; and the
>> SWesterners
>> are always individualistic. When this translates to politics the
>> collectivity, that votes irrationally as a mass of One, always triumps
>> over
>> the rational individualistic Many with varying opinions on all issues.
>> This
>> is the crux of the "divide". When I am chanced I will post an article on
>> the genesis of this political problem--the real source of the much
>> vaunted
>> Anglophone Propblem.
>>
>> "The problem of power is how to get men of power to live for the public
>> rather than off the public." Robert F. Kennedy
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Farjucom <farjucom@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>
>> Cc: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 12:20 AM
>> Subject: [camnetwork] NW / SW divide - The root causes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Could any one in this forum , SW or NW, inform us the naive ones, why
>> there
>> is so much hatred between the two people. I have never understood. I once
>> knew two guys while studying abroad. One was from the NW and the other
>> from
>> SW. The one from the NW was my friend and was also friendly to everyone
>> around. The guy from SW, never wanted anything to do with the guy from
>> NW,
>> not because they had any personal issues but just because he was from the
>> NW. The irony is that when the SW guy had problems in his early days
>> abroad,
>> it was the guy from NW who tried to help, given that he was his senior.
>> Also
>> the guy from SW had also done his secondary and high school in one of the
>> leading government schools in the NW and would have thought they would be
>> close to each other.
>>
>> Please let someone just inform me of the root causes of this animosity
>> that
>> is between the two people that you even have Doctors in this forum
>> calling
>> for annihilation of the other group.
>>
>> F. J
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> On 2013-3-1, at 23:25, jackson nanje <jacksonnanje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Mishe Fon,
>>>
>>>You can glorify Mr. Esale all you want. It is your right to do so;
>>> however,
>>> when your Northwest brothers push you to come and slam Southwesterners
>>> with comic disguise you think we are stupid. I will continue to tell you
>>> that I believe in a fundamental fairness approach---treat people as
>>> individuals, not as a tribal group. When one of yours, Janet Ticha or
>>> so, wrote a few weeks ago condemning Sothwesterners and bragging about
>>> how
>>> all the lecturers at UB are from the Northwest Region even though she is
>>> ill-informed of the regional demography of the lectrers at UB, it was
>>> only
>>> Mr. Esale who condemned the act. All of you from the Northwest never
>>> condemned such ethnoentric attitude. You claim you did not see the
>>> email.
>>> How bizarre!
>>>
>>>The "silent code" or "I did not see the email" is the path that all of
>>> you
>>> fromthe Northwest take. And a very potent way to understand human
>>> character is when they do not open their mouths or write on the
>>> keyboard.
>>> The fact that all of you: the Old Fox, Pah Kenneh Fru Ndeh, the Archive
>>> Digger, Somndah, the Atangs, Mishe Fon, Dr. Val Ngwa etc.. stay quiet
>>> when
>>> one of you attack not only the Southwest estblishment but people of
>>> other
>>> regions, is the root cause of the divide that is marked with hypocrisy,
>>> bigotry, ethnocentrism, and you name it. Like I told Dr. Valentine
>>> Ngwa sometimes ago on this forum, I will not accept for him to label me
>>> as
>>> a panderer of tribalism the way he wants it and myrmidons like you echo
>>> that nonsense. Because you guys are not very good at easing up the
>>> tribal
>>> divide. I am happy to read what Dr. Louis Egbe wrote about this issue;
>>> it
>>> is what Malcolm X called, "the chicken has come to roost".
>>>
>>>I have noticed your tribal linings albeit sadly when I initiate a
>>> telephone
>>> conversation to you on a few occasions. You claim you will call me back
>>> but you never after work but you do not. But the few times you have
>>> called
>>> me, I have listened to you till the end. Behaviors or pattern of
>>> behaviors
>>> are easy to be understood. Your behavior is a page of tribal
>>> gerrymandering. And quite frankly, you or the few I have mentioned above
>>> can never lead a tribal divide recnciliatory meeing between the Nrthwest
>>> and Southwest people.
>>> Jackson Nanje
>>>
>>> http://www.nanjecreativethinking.blogspot.com/
>>> www.youtube.com/NanjeMusicProduction
>>> www.nexsans.blogspot.com
>>> www.orokousa.org
>>> www.dideco.org
>>>
>>>"We must not continue to run away and allow our public opinions and the
>>> free expression of them become the enterprise of intolerance and
>>> incivility" Christmas Ebini
>>>
>>>"The Oroko intelligentsia is gifted with an eloquence that does not give
>>> blessings to development". Dr. Monica Njanjokuma
>>>
>>> "If you should know how much money you have in your bank account, then
>>> you should consider yourself a poor man" Michael Namaya.
>>>
>>>"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds
>>> discuss people" Eleanor Roosevelt.
>>>
>>>"Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn"
>>> Benjamin Franklin
>>>
>>>" Creditors have better memories than debtors" Benjamin Franklin
>>>
>>>"If the only thing you have in your hand is a hammer, you tend to see
>>> everything else as a nail" Abraham Maslow.
>>>
>>>"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do" Benjamin
>>> Franklin
>>>
>>>"Freedom granted by the oppressor is never the same as freedom won by the
>>> oppressed" Prof. Emmanuel Konde.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>>From: Mishe Fon <mishefon@yahoo.com>
>>>>To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>;
>>>> "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com"
>>>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>;
>>>> "accdf@yahoogroups.com" <accdf@yahoogroups.com>;
>>>> "ambasbay@googlegroups.com" <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:49 PM
>>>>Subject: [camnetwork] Re: Sam Esale/////UB CRISIS: DR. YANOU's WAY
>>>> FORWARD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Tata Esale
>>>>Yours here below is what I would call a "Class Act" delivered with such
>>>> poetic precision, majestic civility, wisdom laden truism and calling it
>>>> the way it is. If I could discern just one other person with half of
>>>> your
>>>> objectivity, I would openly "Decamp" (from whia sef) to your Party the
>>>> CPDM like yesterday.
>>>>Telling the truth cost absolutely nothing. It is tangible and concret.
>>>>
>>>>Your friend Mbua knows he has gaffed and instead of taking some time off
>>>> to chill or apologize to his erstwile teaming admirers, he is
>>>> struggling
>>>> to ride on the coat-tails of the very controversial, ego-driven hate
>>>> monger, Emmanuel Konde.
>>>>
>>>>Mbua knows he has done enough damage to his reputation and credibility
>>>> by
>>>> expositing that hitherto "Bakweri Tribal Mirage" he has successfully
>>>> camouflaged thus far.
>>>>
>>>>Mbua now knows that everyone now realizes the Hot Air he has been
>>>> blowing
>>>> all these years about "Freedom, Liberty of Expression, Tyranny by the
>>>> Few
>>>> of the Many, SC is up, SC is This, That, We will Fight Oppression by
>>>> Agents of La Republique to the Finish, Bla Bla Bla"...was just
>>>> that...HOT
>>>> AIR. It is not too late to redeem his battered image and I still like
>>>> him
>>>> a lot.
>>>>
>>>>As for Okoro man Jude Nyamiri Okafor, it is simply amazing how someone
>>>> you
>>>> had so much respect for can discard objectivity for the sake of "eba
>>>> and
>>>> ogbono soup" Politics. Jude, who by the way has four nationalities and
>>>> five passports; (He is an Akata American, an Igbo Nigerian, a Blackman
>>>> Panya Mexican by virtue of his first marret (4 dokky) in Houston to a
>>>> Mexican Oil baron,s daughter) and was born and raised a Cameroonian.
>>>> (Dat
>>>> yi own don pass level 4 Dual Nationality). He has every right to his
>>>> opinion in SW Politics BUT in matters as sensitive as this Buea
>>>> University "Crisis", one would have expected our Okoro Nyamiri Buy One
>>>> Take Two Okrika Broda to hold his "Fire". Hell No...Oga Jude was
>>>> instead
>>>> adding "Karashine" to the bamboo firewood. Oga Jude, remember this well
>>>> well: "Onye a na agbara ama ya na anuri, onye eboro ohi okwere-la in
>>>> other words, "While you rejoice at the news from an informer remember
>>>> that the accused has not admitted it
>> yet".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Then, that ya other Oroko trong back foot broda, massa Nine Jerk Nyakson
>>>> who now writes on Camnet only when everyone else is sleeping, comes up
>>>> as
>>>> usual in support of his so-called Guru the (CBH) "Crazy Bassa
>>>> Historian".
>>>> Why is massa Makossa Nine Jeck always playing "Behind the Back?". He
>>>> claims he has advanced to writing on "Blocks"...Who reads Blocks or
>>>> Bricks? Oyigbos call those their Yahoo free websites "Blogs" bicos all
>>>> dem houses Na whiteman Kalabot.
>>>>
>>>>Oncemore, Thank you for a well written, well informed, well balanced
>>>> article.
>>>>Mishw Fon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>>From: SAM ESALE <autoauthority.esale@gmail.com>
>>>>To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:43 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Re: UB CRISIS: DR. YANOU's WAY FORWARD
>>>>
>>>>Dr. Egbe,
>>>>
>>>>Please, at moments like these, we need to be careful with the language
>>>> we
>>>> use;
>>>>
>>>> " That is what we call intellectual war." Mola Mbua.
>>>>
>>>>Why must everything be called a "war"? Debate, war? Conversation, war?
>>>> Dialogue, war? Why war?
>>>>
>>>>I hate to say this to someone I have come to love and respect, but if
>>>> any
>>>> student of UB is hurt during these "negotiations", I will personally
>>>> hold
>>>> you and that Jude Okafor responsible, because your contributing to this
>>>> debate has been the most incendiary. Your behaviour here is
>>>> irresponsible, to say the least, and I mean that from the bottom of my
>>>> heart........
>>>>
>>>>Those of you who want to use this situation as an opportunity to play up
>>>> or inject the imaginary NW/SW divide must understand that you have a
>>>> bigger fish to fry than pontificating over a natural protest by
>>>> students
>>>> at UB. Most of us have been students or are students and we know how it
>>>> feels to be cheated or taken advantage of, by those in positions of
>>>> authority. I did not see this amount of venom spewed by you and your
>>>> cohorts against the leadership of Cameroon when the Chief of Bakingili
>>>> was arrested and thrown into prison. Chief Inoni Ephraim, a former
>>>> Prime
>>>> Minister of The Republic of Cameroon is languishing in Kondengui,
>>>> without
>>>> a brave finger or concerted protest from the elites of Fako or South
>>>> West. Yet, you come here like a bunch of wussies to chastise young men
>>>> and women who demonstrate the courage to protest against injustices,
>>>> something you are very incapable of doing, besides crying for
>>>> 'separation' like a bunch of peevish school
>> boys. Where is your courage or bravery? Why don't you pick a fight with
>> your age mates like the folks in Yaounde, instead of jumping into useless
>> conclusions, mixing up messages and colliding with the students at UB,
>> who
>> are young enough to be your sons and daughters? As I see it, some of you
>> guys are using this situation to position yourselves politically, or ride
>> the wave for academic and appointments in Cameroon, at the detriment of
>> the
>> needs of the student population at UB. You can't use students for your
>> political or professional ambitions and/or calculations. You must not
>> ride
>> on their backs to achieve your personal agendas. That is unfair and
>> wrong......
>>>>
>>>>You see, Dr. Egbe, I just got my ass nabbed and thrown in jail
>>>> by Magistrate MsJoe for kicking Jude Okafor in his teeth and giving him
>>>> a
>>>> black eye. MsJoe's verdict was based on the fact that as a Black Belt,
>>>> I
>>>> ought to have known better than engage in a fis fight with that scum
>>>> bag.
>>>> My hands are considered as weapons of mass destruction when dealing
>>>> with
>>>> people not in my marshal art rank. So, you the Fako or South West
>>>> Elites
>>>> need to know what battles to pick and stay out of University campuses,
>>>> unless invited for mediation or conflict resolution, as community
>>>> organizers. The VC and her staff at UB, are very well qualified to
>>>> handle
>>>> the situation peacefully, without the foolishness from some of you. The
>>>> VC has an opportunity here to burnish her resume by demonstrating or
>>>> showing her leadership skills under pressure. This could be good a
>>>> good
>>>> experience for the VC and her staff, depending on how they manage the
>>>> situation and the outcome.
>> Sometimes, these kinds of minor conflicts are just a test of our
>> leadership
>> abilities and/or management capabilities. Everything doesn't have to be
>> hunky-dory for us to be perceived as visionary leaders. In most cases it
>> is
>> how we weather the storms or tempests in the course of our careers that
>> help
>> us build character. A bummer tree is strong because of the strength of
>> the
>> wind it embraces everyday. The positive side is that this just a blip in
>> the
>> life of a great leadership career for the VC of UB. I see a silver lining
>> with no child hurt and the reputation of UB in tact, based on the
>> reasonable decision and actions by the VC. This is her chance to
>> innovate,
>> transform, bring change through the use of visionary leadership skills
>> and
>> sing her own song for these students and future generations to remember
>> her
>> by. There is no shame in compromise or negotiation from a position of
>> power.
>> We don't expect the VC to abuse her power.
>>>>
>>>>I don't want to believe this nonsense implied here that the VC got her
>>>> job as a result of "affirmative action" or tribal quotas in
>>>> Cameroon. Perhaps I'm naive. Rather, I want to believe that she earned
>>>> her position as a result of her great education, leadership
>>>> qualification
>>>> and ability as a technocrat. Anything short of that is cow dung or
>>>> horse
>>>> manure. If you sincerely believe that the VC is there as a result of
>>>> tribal politics, then you should ask her to resign and get a job at
>>>> a District Office or run for the office of Mayor of Buea Town. And if
>>>> you
>>>> think that we must support the VC or her administration because she is
>>>> from SW or a woman, then you are not only insulting the VC, and
>>>> Cameroonians, but you must be one of the monsters perpetuating
>>>> tribalism
>>>> and nepotism in La Republique du Cameroon. This is not the time and
>>>> place
>>>> to promote our political agendas and/or calculations.....This is the
>>>> time
>>>> for reason and common sense...What
>> is in the best interest of the majority of people at UB? It is an
>> opportunity for the VC to show us the kind of leader she is, kind,
>> caring,
>> loving, intelligent, understanding, decisive, strong, empathic,
>> courageous,
>> visionary, honest, sincere, compassionate, transformational, diplomatic,
>> etc. etc. The VC is NOT a demagogue or petulant and unenlightened despot
>> or
>> dictator as Dr. Louis Egbe and Jude Okafor try so hard to paint her.
>>>>
>>>>Those South West elites who are doing everything to undermine the
>>>> wisdom,
>>>> sophistication and understanding of the VC in conflict arbitration, by
>>>> inventing this NW/SW divide, can go suck some lemons or fight for the
>>>> freedom of Chief Ephraim Inoni, instead of preparing for a belated
>>>> "Unity" party in Buea, and lashing out their frustration on innocent
>>>> students at UB. I say this as a member of CPDM-USA and a son of SW.
>>>> Isn't Inoni one of our Chiefs? Is he one of us? Which NW person put
>>>> Inoni
>>>> in Kondengui? What nonsense is this, we are manufacturing about NW/SW?
>>>> Are we blind? Where is our nerve? Where is our focus? Look at our
>>>> roads,
>>>> our schools, our hospitals, our bridges our towns, our villages our
>>>> water
>>>> supply systems, our electricity systems, our sewer systems, etc, etc.
>>>> Look at the "railway" systems, our ports and our parks and
>>>> recreation lots. What have we done to fight for the poor, the sick and
>>>> those who lack basic necessities of
>> life in rural communities within our respective jurisdictions or
>> constituencies? Buea is seeing a face lift today because dignitaries from
>> all over Cameroon will convene there in a not too distant future for a
>> belated meet & greet party. Whats going to be left in Buea after this big
>> event?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps, these students have more courage than most of us behaving like
>>>> castrated adults with no sense of dignity. We have the guts to preach
>>>> ancient history to an unsuspecting readership under the guise of
>>>> superior knowledge and high diploma. Where were we or where was the
>>>> history lesson when Chief Ephraim Inoni of Bakingili was arrested and
>>>> thrown in jail like a common thief? Why don't we wage a "war" against
>>>> our
>>>> age mates in Yaounde for the freedom of Chief Ephraim Inoni? Shame us
>>>> for
>>>> attacking poor little kids who want nothing but a decent environment to
>>>> study. The same things we want for our own kids. The same things we
>>>> wanted when we were kids.... Shame on us......
>>>>
>>>>Everyone here knows my position in this matter, as a proud parent of a
>>>> UB
>>>> alumni. It is no secret that I am on the side of the students. I stand
>>>> for justice, respect for individual rights, respect for authority, and
>>>> non-violent protests or demonstrations. I am also for UBSU. I am
>>>> against vandalism or damage to property, public or private. I
>>>> am against disrespect of any sort and abuse of any kind. I want peace
>>>> and
>>>> prosperity for my country. I am a citizen of Cameroon from Dikome Balue
>>>> in Ndian Division, where the roads are impassable by motor
>>>> vehicles during the rainy season. Yet, the last time I checked, I was
>>>> still a member of CPDM-USA and I feel like a fool......
>>>>
>>>>I was a student in Yaounde when a protest was mounted for a BA degree to
>>>> be obtained in 3 years instead of 4 years. At the time, we were lagging
>>>> behind the rest of the world that did it in 3 years. Professor Mbassi
>>>> Manga was the Dean of our Faculty and Dr. Elango, Dr.Chem Langue, and
>>>> Dr.
>>>> Martin Njeuma, etc. were Anglophone members of our faculty at the time.
>>>> If we did not do what we did then, and succeeded, the students of the
>>>> University system in Cameroon would be studying for 4 years to obtain a
>>>> BA or BSc, today. Not a single drop of blood was shed and no property
>>>> damage was reported during the stand off.. What this means is that
>>>> whatever it is UB students demand, they are not just doing so for
>>>> themselves. They are correcting these wrongs for future generations all
>>>> over Cameroon. They are laying the ground work or foundation for future
>>>> generations to build on. This is a fact. When I was at the University
>>>> of
>>>> Durham in
>> UK, we protested and marched for the release of Nelson Mandela from
>> prison
>> in Robin Island, South Africa. Most of us were NOT South Africans. We had
>> more white British students join us in the demonstrations, than blacks.
>> We protested several times all over England, Scotland and Ireland, with
>> our
>> safety and security guaranteed by the British Police and Scotland Yard.
>> No
>> student was hurt and no property was vandalised. Everything does not have
>> to degenerate into "war" or violence. That is a very primitive approach
>> to
>> life in the 21st century, when every one seems so civilised. Whatever
>> happened to dialogue? Whatever happened to mutual co-existance?
>> Whatever happened to non-violence and peace?
>>>>
>>>>Roland Minang will be fine. I hope that the forces of law enforcement
>>>> have
>>>> him in custody just to protect him from harm or keep him out of harm's
>>>> way while they manage the peace on campus, until the examinations are
>>>> over. That is my sincere wish. Law enforcement is there to maintain Law
>>>> and Order or peace. They are not there to defend oppression or
>>>> repression. They are there to protect our liberties or rights as
>>>> individuals and citizens of a nation with laws. Our constitution grants
>>>> all Cameroonians the right to organise peacefully and UBSU must have
>>>> that
>>>> right in fact. The government guarantees these rights on behalf of
>>>> every
>>>> civilian, student or citizenry of the Republic..
>>>>
>>>>I shall leave you now, to serve my time at the Buea Mountain Hotel, as
>>>> ordered by the bribe taking, mbongo chobbi eating, Muea market loving,
>>>> makossa dancing, and LESA hopping MsJoe, for beating up her friend Jude
>>>> Okereke Okafor. While there, I shall not eat green eggs and ham nor
>>>> touch
>>>> garri with no salt or sugar with my hands. I'll go on hunger strike
>>>> until
>>>> I'm served with rice and stew and be allowed to "seleep" on a vono-bed
>>>> with "dunlop" mattress, and all my body guards must be lovely females,
>>>> like Colonel Gaddafi's, or else I'll escape from the jail house.......
>>>>
>>>>Goodbye,
>>>>
>>>>Love,
>>>>Sam Esale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:00 AM, louis <louis_egbe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello Mr. Enow, Those who brought ethnicity in this instance have to
>>>>> explain why they brought it in the first place. Good you brought the
>>>>> Universities in Europe. For those who do not know, there was always a
>>>>> clash -- especially at Oxford -- between students and the natives and
>>>>> native authorities until a compromise was reached of mutual respect.
>>>>> Konde was not involved in the kidnap; and you continue in a
>>>>> vacillation
>>>>> instead of coming out clearly where you stand on this act of terror.
>>>>> People should NOT be in this narrow view of trying to suppress other
>>>>> opinions based on ethnicity. I am against Konde's opinion on SC and
>>>>> other aspects of his approach on Cameroon and other issues but I have
>>>>> never tried to prevent him from making his opinion known her; and
>>>>> certainly not based on his tribe. All I can do is to counter it. So,
>>>>> counter his opinion. This is what is called intellectual war. And what
>>>>> is the point of confining yourself to Manyunet in a case of
>> clearly a national issue beyond a petit tribal argument? Be a man and
>> act.
>>
>>>>>Mbua --- In mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com, Agbor Enow Augustine
>>>>> wrote: >
>>>>>> Hallo! Dr. Egbe, > Check my record on the Besongabang case on
>>>>>> Manyunet.
>>>>>> I > did plead for writers not to turn that case into hatred for
>>>>>> Francophone
>>> Cameroonians or Beti citizens. I reiterated that it was an alleged
>>> crimeÂ
>>>
>>>>>> committed by one Cameroonian,and any attempt to turn it into >
>>>>>> tribal,linguistic,or regional case will be futile. > Most of the >
>>>>>> universities you find in Europe, have been there for hundreds of >
>>>>>> years,and have gone through what is going on now at UB; or have gone
>>>>>> through more violent strikes. The UB strike was a peaceful strike-no
>>>>>> life was hurt,and no property was destroyed. > > My problem with you
>>>>>> brother,is that you are joining the likes of Dr. Konde (Guru), who
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> threats, bluffs, and regional or tribal mobilization to seek outcomes
>>>>>> in a debate of great public interest like the crisis at UB. No one
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> question the fact that Konde is from Limbe.Whether is forefathers or
>>>>>> fathers migrated from Bassaland in littoral to Limbe does not
>>>>>> matter.Every Cameroonian has the right to live and work in any place
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> their chosen within the Country. This issue of
>>>>>> Francophone/Anglophone,
>>>>>> and Northwest/Southwest,just play to the hands of the divide and rule
>> political structure in our country. > > It is the university's
>> responsibility to build their leaders,including the student union leaders
>> capacity through training. How can they get the students to listen,if
>> students have no idea on how the negotiation process works? Maybe it is
>> time
>> for UB to add courses on Businesses negotiation in their curriculum. > >
>> We
>> should avoid the demonization of others in debates over values. Teach
>> poor
>> history teacher Dr. Konde this. > > Augustine Agbor Enow >
>>>>>> --- On Thu, 2/28/13, louis wrote: > > From: louis > Subject:
>>>>>> [camnetwork] Re: UB CRISIS: DR. YANOU's WAY FORWARD > To:
>>>>>> mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com
>>> Date: Thursday, February 28, 2013, 3:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> >
>>> > Â
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Enow, > > > > I am yet to see you put on
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Lion hat and denounce evil here. I remember when
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > LRC
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > sent soldiers from Kutaba to attack your women in
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Besongabang. To this day, you all stayed mute. I
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > never saw one word from you. > > > > Now, since you
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > do not understand, I will tell you here and now.
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Some
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > people do not ALLOW women to be attacked even in a
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > war. If you attack a woman, you have declared war
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > on
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > them. Get that straight. And for those who come
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > here
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > trying to justify barbarism, if you do this again,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > you will be attacked. It has nothing to do with me
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > but what the people who believe that they are
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > affected think. This also has little to do with
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > where
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > the assaulter comes from including the natives
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > themselves. I am merely trying to interpret the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > matter as a layman. > > > > And you keep writing as
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > though this is a simple matter. Now, follow this
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > story from the very beginning. I offered my own
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > advice in Facebook on the
>> peaceful approach and alternative strategy of the students' complaint.
>> Those who read what I wrote are here and can testify. I am not a member
>> of
>> Buea University, never been a student there, but was trying to weigh in
>> from
>> my own professional experience as to the very serious implications of
>> their
>> undertakings. It was up to the students to accept it or reject it. That
>> is
>> their right. However, I will also move forward to offer solutions as
>> concerns their foolish action; and to analyse the matter. I hope you can
>> also give me that right. > > > > Suppose this went wrong and the
>> Police/army
>> intervened to perform a rescue mission and many people died. You people
>> just
>> jump into things without thinking about the long term implications of a
>> clear act of an attempted Coup. > > > > What has investigations to do with
>> a
>> clear evidence of kidnap and violence? The point is who did it and who
>> are
>> those behind the shadow. > > > > So, stop attacking those who are trying
>> to make sense of a planned assault of terror on the pretext that there
>> are
>> no photocopy machines. > > Mbua > > > > --- In
>> mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com, Agbor Enow Augustine wrote: > > > > >
>> >
>> Dear Mbua, > > > Did you hear yourself speak? "Thank you for this. Let's
>> allow the investigation to proceed. The > > > trouble here is that
>> certain
>> individuals with ulterior motives are > > > trying to justify what is
>> clearly wrong by pointing fingers to the wrong > > > people or using
>> other
>> strange methods of defence." > > > >
>>> > How can you in one statement plead for the investigation to take its
>>> > course, and in the same statement claim that "individuals with
>>> > ulterior
>>> > motives areÃ‚Â supporting what is clearly wrong."
>>>>>> > > Look at the mirror,you will see that individual;That individual
>>>>>> > > is
>>>>>> > > you. You do not have any credible piece of evidence to justify or
>>>>>> > > interpret the significance of your above statement,or persuade
>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>> > > reader of its validity.Your hypothetical world is fact or
>>>>>> > > truth,but
>>>>>> > > others' are false. > > > Augustine Agbor Enow > > > > > > --- On
>>>>>> > > Thu, 2/28/13, louis wrote: > > > > > > From: louis > > > Subject:
>>>>>> > > [camnetwork] Re: UB CRISIS: DR. YANOU's WAY FORWARD > > > To:
>>>>>> > > mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Thursday,
>>>>>> > > February
>>>>>> > > 28, 2013, 7:52 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > Ã‚Â
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bens, > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for this.
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's allow
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > investigation
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to proceed.
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trouble
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certain
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individuals
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ulterior
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motives are
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is clearly
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong by
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointing
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers to
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the wrong
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people or
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using other
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strange
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > methods of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defence. >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a healthy
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debate is
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mbua >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bens Awaah
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mola
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mbua, > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mission of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > excellence
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must take
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place in >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > environment
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students do
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not feel
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rights
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are being
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > threatened
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > breached.
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > teaching a
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disgruntled
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distraught
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students, >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are wasting
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resources.
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like many
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > investigation
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be done > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > on the whole incident and findings published in order for the
>> interested
>> public > > > > > > > to make an informed judgment. > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> Those who have been involved in strikes know too well > > > >
>>> > > that strikes are not usually civil. Frequently, fastÃ¢â‚¬"moving
>>> > > incidents
>>>>>> > > > > > > overwhelm and overtake the actors, resulting in
>>>>>> > > > > > > regrettable
>>>>>> > > > > > > outcomes. Let us > > > > > > > not exacerbate the
>>>>>> > > > > > > situation
>>>>>> > > > > > > by appearing to take sides, making > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > unsubstantiated accusations or using inflammatory
>>>>>> > > > > > > language.
>>>>>> > > > > > > We know better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awaah > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Permit
>>>>>> > > > > > > Yourself to Learn to Forgive to be Forgiven" B.U. Awaah >
>>>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:
>>>>>> > > > > > > mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > From:
>>>>>> > > > > > > louis_egbe@ > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:58:01
>>>>>> > > > > > > +0000 > > > > > > > Subject: [camnetwork] Re: UB CRISIS:
>>>>>> > > > > > > DR. YANOU's WAY FORWARD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bens, > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A University's first objective is to
>> provide excellence -- train/teach and research. Once this aim is
>> threatened,
>> they can suspend all other axillary activities that threaten this
>> including
>> the student union or disband that particular Union completely and start
>> afresh. I informed these students of this possibility from the very
>> beginning.They never listened. Not sure who advises these young people.
>> Whoever is their advicer has failed in this instance. > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An example is a nation -- with well
>> defined laws (NOT Cameroon) in this case -- with freedom to form civil
>> associations. It is a right to do so. It is stated in all constitutions.
>> However, an association can be disbanded if it is violent to the ordinary
>> person, its members and rivals. Save that, all can form their political
>> or
>> whatever
>> organisation according to the law. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > --- In mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com, Bens Awaah
>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.
>> Egbe
>> is correct to call the UBSU a privilge, not a right, if and only if the
>> UB
>> Article of Incorporation does not provide for a union. If it does, then
>> Mola
>> Louis is wrong. I wonder; if a student union is (state) authority created
>> and directed, does that union serve the state or students' interests? > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Awaah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Permit Yourself to Learn to Forgive to be
>> Forgiven" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.U. Awaah > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:
>> mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From:
>> louis_egbe@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:41:34
>> +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [camnetwork] Re: UB CRISIS:
>> DR.
>> YANOU's WAY FORWARD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAF, > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is not whether there
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
>> be freedom or not. Of course people should be independent as STUDENTS and
>> not as "administrators". People keep mixing this up. They are mere
>> students.
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, a
>> student union is
>> not entirely in disposable. Students are capable of organising
>> themselves
>> and obtain their wants without a union. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > You provide these laws from America. Well,
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > American
>> university culture is not the same as in Cameroon. > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, it is not clear as to whether
>> there will be any longer any student union in Cameroon after this
>> episode;
>> and given that the students are unrepentant of their acts. > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People keep thinking that it is
>> students' right to form a government. Sorry, it does not work that way.
>> It
>> is but a privilege and should not be abused. It can be withdrawn if
>> abused.
>> At the end of the day, it is an institution of Learning. > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mbua > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> --- In mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com, SAF wrote: > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Mbua, > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us not place the cart
>>> > > > > before the horse.Ãƒâ€š The issue here is the role of the student
>>> > > > > association at UB.Ãƒâ€š After we examine the cause of the
>>> > > > > problem,
>>> > > > > we can deal with the after math later.Ãƒâ€š First, a student
>>> > > > > association in any university must be independent.Ãƒâ€š At the
>>> > > > > university, no one dictates to another.Ãƒâ€š When I was teaching
>>> > > > > at the university, no one, not even the President of the
>>> > > > > university could change the grade I gave a student.Ãƒâ€š If
>>> > > > > there
>>> > > > > is no liberty in the university, then, it is not fulfilling its
>>> > > > > mission.Ãƒâ€š Here are two pdfs I want you to take a look
>>> > > > > at.Ãƒâ€š
>>> > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first pdf is
>>> > > > > the Bylaws of the State University College at Oneonta Faculty up
>>> > > > > state New York.Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š When you
>> read these Bylaws, you will find there is no mention of faculty
>> involvement
>> with the student association.Ãƒâ€š The association is completely
>> independent, insofar as its activities are concerned.Ãƒâ€š The student
>> association does not answer to anyone in the administration.Ãƒâ€š How is
>> that for independence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next pdf shows
>>> > > > > > > > the
>> constitution of the Student Association at the State University of New
>> York
>> in Albany (SUNY-Alabany).Ãƒâ€š SUNY-Albany is one of four major campuses
>> of
>> the State University of New York System. The other campuses (almost 60)
>> in
>> the State of New York are university colleges of the SUNY System.Ãƒâ€š
>> You
>> will also see in the constitution that the Administration has no
>> committee
>> overseeing the Student Association.Ãƒâ€š The student union is completely
>> independent with its judiciary
>> branch.Ãƒâ€š It is for this reason that I say, the university is a
>> crucible
>> for democracy.Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is our
>> responsibility to help the students develop and sustain a free and
>> independent student association at UB.Ãƒâ€š The Administration should
>> stay
>> out of student politics. Ãƒâ€š The student association should be one
>> designed by the students for the students. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>> Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>> SAFÃƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: louis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [camnetwork] Re: UB CRISIS: DR. YANOU's WAY FORWARD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > Ãƒâ€š
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAF, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brought Prof Fonlon in this matter. You
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see, as Rev pointed out, there are
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students who have fought more dangerous
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > battles but without an inkling of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violence and won hands down. In 1983,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prof Fonlon was present at the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > University
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Yaounde Anglophone protest. I
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that in one of the demonstrations, he
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came along to speak to the students. He
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was politely told that his ideas were
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > welcome there; and quite frankly he
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should leave peacefully. He left
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quietly
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without a fuss. Now, tell me here if
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these students were to attack him. This
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been the height of stupidity
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which would have been denounced by all
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > civilised people -- independent or not
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independent. > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAF wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Ofege, > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting that
>>> > > > > > you mention John Henry Cardinal Newman.Ãƒâ€š If I may recall,
>>> > > > > > Dr. Fonlon was greatly influenced by Cardinal Newman.Ãƒâ€š
>>> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š
>>> > > > > > UB was established as an "Anglo-Saxon" university, what ever
>>> > > > > > that means.Ãƒâ€š If it can't have a student unionÃƒâ€š by the
>>> > > > > > students for the students, then, one wonders what makes it
>>> > > > > > "Ango-Saxon?"Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a model student
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > associations
>>> > > > > > for UBSU:Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > http://www.oneonta.edu/development/huntunion/mysa/elections.aspÃƒâ€š
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > The students must not give up their right to have an
>>> > > > > > independent student union.Ãƒâ€š By this I mean, a union free
>>> > > > > > of
>>> > > > > > interference by the
>> university administrators.Ãƒâ€š
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAF
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ofege
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ntemfac
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9:42
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AM
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [camnetwork]
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UB
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRISIS:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DR.
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YANOU's
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WAY
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FORWARD
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emmanuel
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aloga
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Konde...you
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consult
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cardinal
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Newman
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Idea
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > University..as
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crucible
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning.
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Including
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaning
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > societal
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gentleman
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learing
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > democratic
>> ethos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clearly that was never your lot
>> -
>> unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are nothing but the
>> outcome of this very curious francophone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>> deviant culture - B-COS you think in French first and then write and > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > speak something that looks like English. > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > As for your mastery of history - disgusting! > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now this society has the deal with you and your
>> ilk including Victor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Julius Ngoh - your
>> mentor and master, the one pulling the strings > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > behind Puppet You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, listen up,
>>> > UB
>> - as a purely Anglo-Saxon varsity - has to show > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > leadership by being the crucible of FUTURE SOUTHERN CAMEROONIANS > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning children who started
>> refusing to take any CRAP from frogs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> frog TOTALITARIANISM even when it is decentralised to > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > function-manifest as such in UB; assimilated frogs and
>> collaborators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of frogs who think that
>> they
>> can cut corners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The University of
>> Bamenda
>> will be no different - the place for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> children with something in the head > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2/24/13,
>> ekonde07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > What about your village?Ãƒâ€š Does charity not begin at
>>> > > > > > > home?
>>> > > > > > > Students who are
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet to learn how to write want to
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-rule and to participate in > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > policy-making? > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Sent on the SprintÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â® Now Network from my
>>> > > > > > > BlackBerryÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â®
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message-----
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ruler
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ruled,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leader
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > led,
>> father and child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc, why should
>> one
>> wonder why the oddly shaped triangular piece of real > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > estate called Cameroun is managed the way it is? > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > NDI MANJONG. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Ãƒâ€š From: efundem N
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com"
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9:06
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [camnetwork] UB
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRISIS: DR. YANOU's WAY FORWARD > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "No! This
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be a bad precedent and a
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yanou
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prescription" for > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unremitting chaos.
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What consensus! Are university
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students on equal footing > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > university administrators? Remember
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Confucius' prescription for an > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > orderly
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society? As in the family, "Let the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father be a father and the son > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son," so too in the state... "Let
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ruler be a ruler and the subject a
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > subject." For order to return to UB, I suggest to "Let the
>> student be a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > student and the
>> administrator an administrator." " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who ever
>> wrote this response to Dr. Yanou's proposals, I don't know what > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > world he lives in. All I can say is he has a long
>> lesson to take in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > administration.No
>> group is asking or needs to be in equal footing with > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > anybody. It is a participatory process. Students have a role
>>> > > > > > to
>> play,and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that role cannot be usurped
>> by
>> their teachers or the administration. Like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> wise, the role of the administration can never be taken over by the > >
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students. There is no ruler or subject here.
>> The problem with U B is exactly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
>> you just proposed,rulers and subjects. This mentality is a pathway to > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failure. It is not just about U B,it is a
>> national disease, and the reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why
>> progress is so difficult to attain in Cameroon. In this age > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > of modernization,this time of technological
>> advancement,this computer age > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when
>> information is available to everyone,it is difficult for autocracy to > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work. That is why protests,strikes,and
>> revolutions spring up every time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> people
>> feel cheated even > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Ãƒâ€š in the most minute thing. Let's get out of the old and
>>> > > > > > > join the modern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > >Ãƒâ€š From: "ekonde07@"
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:57
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [camnetwork] UB
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CRISIS: DR. YANOU's WAY FORWARD > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No! This
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be a bad precedent and a
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yanou
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prescription" for unremitting > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > chaos.Ãƒâ€š What consensus!Ãƒâ€š Are university students on
>>> > > > > > > equal footing with
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > university administrators? Remember
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Confucius' prescription for an
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > orderly > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society? As in the family,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Let
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the father be a father and the son
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son," > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so too in the state... "Let the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ruler be a ruler and the subject a
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject." > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For order to return to UB,
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest to "Let the student be a
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > student and > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the administrator an
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > administrator." > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Sent on the SprintÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â® Now Network from my
>>> > > > > > > BlackBerryÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â® > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > From:Ãƒâ€š UBSU EX OFFCIALS > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sender:Ãƒâ€š mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:30:25
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +0100
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com>;
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > ReplyTo:Ãƒâ€š mailto:camnetwork%40yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [camnetwork] UB CRISIS:
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DR.
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YANOU's WAY FORWARD > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Way Forward > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UB
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > administration should engage with
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > student body to determine by > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consensus
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a give and take manner the
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > method
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and extent of reforming the > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > union if
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is the true objective. Banning
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UBSU, starving them of funds or > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > using one group of students to hoist a
>>> > > > > > > ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…"reformedÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¯Â¿Â½ student union on
>>> > > > > > > campus is
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an unattainable objective. > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recruiting
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and cultivating student groups
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through financial inducements by >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UB administrators should be
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discouraged. One way of doing so is
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ensure that academic staff be
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involved in the selection process
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > officials > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to post of responsibility
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the university. Government policy
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > picking a > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deputy Vice Chancellor
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (DVC)
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to replace a dropped VC is the bane
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crisis in UB. > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As President of
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SYNES UB, let it be known that some
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DVCs have made subtle > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offers to me to
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use the union to foment trouble in
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the past without success. > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guess their
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objective! Consider the issue
>> of allowing students form prayer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> groups
>> that pray regularly on campus in the same way as music and cultural > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups operate freely. The blood of Jesus can
>> bring permanent peace at UB! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Communication Unit-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > University of Buea Students' Union > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> Ex Officials > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributing for a
>> sustainable UB Community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing always happens that you really
>> believe in; and the belief in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
>> thing makes it happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camnetwork is the premier Cameroon/Cameroun
>> forum since 1997.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
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