Dear All,
My whole-hearted thanks to Dr. Gopalji for his very valuable comments.
Let us look at the reality.
1.
It is 100 % true that we, the think tanks, must be not
only well aware of norms, rules and regulations, of
AICTE, MHRD, University Act, Statutes, etc., but also
be capable to comment and improve them. After all,
academicians are path setters.
2.
But what is the ground reality?
3.
6th Pay Commission is adopted as a National Policy and
the same is applied to Institutes. Certainly it is not
the baby of only AICTE/UGC.
4.
In the State institutes (Polytechnic and Egg Colleges
before 1987) I worked with certain State teaching load
norms, 16 hrs/week (for Assistant/Non-Gazetted/
Lecturer's posts), assuming 2 hrs of practical as one
(theory) hour. AICTE published similar recommendations in
respect of teaching load norms as early as 2000 AD
through a notification (please see Clause 10 of attachment 3).
You will find that none of the colleges including State adhere
to these recommendations and adopted other practices as they desire.
Same thing about recruitment.
Are universities and MPSC, save a few, really
following in words and deeds the AICTE eligibility
norms notified as early as 1993 and thereafter? Let me
put here a few facts when I, a PhD degree holder, was
selected as PME in 1988 through MPSC, the same agency
selected a candidate as a Professor having Second Class ME (as per
rules Second Class ME was not eligible, even to call
for interview). During the period 1993-2003 in Pune
University, hardly there were 2-3 Egg Colleges having
Principals with PhDs qualifications rest with PG
though enough number of PhDs were available. Who is
responsible for this messy situation? AICTE?
5.
Affordable cost is a tricky issue in India. It is not
the issue of modern Sudama. Sudama was a great and
dearest friend of Lord Krishna. I fear I am a small
man to equate teachers as modern Sudama. I am incapable
to understand and say anything about "modern Sudamas"
who are close to power? This is not the issue, however.
The issue is how to make education cost effective. Today we talk
much about Kaizen, QC, PDCA, JIT, SMED, TQM and Lean
philosophy. We must have the necessary resources and
facilities, no two opinions. But my experience and
experimentation over 20 years shows me yes operating
cost can be brought down by 20%-30% if appropriate
financial strategies based on Lean are put into
practice like MRP, SMED, JIT, etc.
Please see the attachments.
As a humble teacher I put forth my views for analysis before the learned members,
please note.
Regards.
Yours,
_____________________________________________________
On Sun, 05 May 2013 19:15:17 +0530 wrote
> The recent judgment bring out the role of aicte.
>We cannot be a frog in the well oblivious to the
environment.
>As faculties,we cannot remain ignorance of the rules
of aicte, ugc and mhrd.
>Our salaries 6th pay. The no of hrs of teaching, the
selection and promotion are all dependant on these
bodies. Is prabhakar alluding that as teachers we shld
not look at all these and be a modern sudama?
>The so called affordable costs is dependant on the
infrastructure and faculty cost. Perhaps we shld have
our classes in some garage or in some muncipal garden
so tht costs can be dowm. Aicte by virtue has been
enforcing rules for ibfrastructure etc
>Thx
>Prof. Dr. R. GopalSent on my BlackBerry® from
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goel.virendra<goel.virendra@gmail.com>Subject: Re:
[MTC Global] Fwd: Supreme Court Judgement on role of
AICTE w.r.t. MBA and MCA
>Dear All,
I sincerely think that we are utilizing our energy not
in help solving the issues related with quality
education at the affordable costs but getting
ourselves involved in trivial issues. In academics
compartmentalization is necessary but with flexible
demarcation. For example, whether Computer Science and
Engineering is a language course or really an
engineering course? MBA is a management course or
business administration course? Is it desirable that
an egg graduate or MBBS graduate to join MBA
programme?
The bodies like UGC, AICTE, MCI, CoA, Pharmacy Council
of India, etc., have come into force by the Parliament
enactment. They need to function as per Act. Hence it
is futile to attach a such labels as who is superior
to whom, what is the hierarchy in decision making
process, whose word will be final,etc.
We have been forcing the Judiciary, one Pillar of
Democracy, to work as Executive body, a very
unfortunate state of affairs leading to a fatal end.
Executives are Constitutional operators, they are the
Public Servants, destined to look after the well-fare
of one and all citizens. If executives are integrated,
sticking strictly to the constitutional functions,
many issues today we face will just disappear in air,
without our knowledge. But most unfortunately, this is
not happening. Like in other Sectors including
Political system, we in education now and then look at
HC or SC for some decisions, corrective measures or
ruling or to obtain temporary relief. Thus we try to
compell (mostly unsuccessfully) the executives to work
under the directives of HC/SC, Judiciary working as if
it is the Executive body. In India we do not have a
mechanism existing in real sense that can reward and
punish the executives spread over from Central to
Local bodies. How many executives have been hooked by
the top most executive body, i.e., say Central/State
Ministry for under-utilizing, mis-utilizing, abusing
the authorities vested in them by Constitution?
Whatever executives are booked are not by Govt., but
through the pressure of Public who approached SC/HC.
Is it not true?
Please see the attachments. Is it the duty of SC to
talk about fees, autonomy, course monitoring,
recruitment of PhD principals, (e.g., Professor must
be PhD is a recruitment norm set in mid-80s, and I
remember that Shivaji University, Kolhapur, did not
accord approval to a non-PhD candidate for the post of
Professor though recommended by the Selection
Committee sometimes in 1988-89, in many colleges
affiliated to prestigious universities PGs were
selected as Principals-see period from 1990-2000 AD or
so- when PhD from IITs were available, who is
responsible?)
This is the single most important cause why India is
performing low in World Class Education in-spite of 65
years of independence. We are running from bad to
worst. Let us focus on the real issues like how to
improve GRE, quality,employability of our graduates,
reduce cost, and be competitive on globe.
Regards.
Yours,
_________________________________________________
PS: Sorry neglect the earlier E-mail,
________________________________________________
On Sun, 05 May 2013 13:00:31 +0530 wrote
>Dear Dr DuttaMay be of interest to our membersthanks
the Supreme court on 25th April has given a very
important judgement on the MBA and MCA programs. This
judgement it appears is valid for affiliated colleges
-- colleges affiliated to the universities and may not
be applicable to stand alone colleges.ÃÆ'‚
The analysis of the judgement is given below. Please
note that this is my interpretation and I could be
wrong. For 150% correct interpretation it might be
necessary to consult some members of the legal
profession.ÃÆ'‚
Quote1. Affiliated colleges are governed only by the
rules / regulations laid down by the UGC.2. AICTE is
an advisory body and not a regulatory body. It can act
only through the UGC.
3.AICTE can only recommend to the UGC but it cannot
enforce any sanctions
4. MCA is a technical course as defined in the AICTE
act and also in UGC5. For running MBA and ÃÆ'Ã
¢â‚¬Å¡MCA
courses
no permission from AICTE is reqd. Also for approvals6.
Also since AICTE has not got the relevant amendments
approved by parliament, ÃÆ'‚AICTE cannot
control
and
regulate the MBA and mca programs
7. The above judgement is applicable to only colleges
affiliated to university.ÃÆ'‚8ÃÆ'‚It is
NOT
applicable stand
alone collegesÃÆ'‚9 is it applicable to
engineering
colleges? The judgement is silent as that was not the
question but the role of AICTE for engineering
colleges by extrapolation will be the same for MBA and
mca.
10. The judgement frees affiliated college from the
clutches ofÃÆ'‚AICTE. But please note that UGC
guidelines
are very clear that the standards laid down by the
councils eg AICTE needs to be followed. Consequently
the LIC of report of the inspection team of the univ
of Pune will have to be adhered to and its
recommendations followed.
Unquote
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thanking you and with kind regards
Dr. R. Gopal
Director, Dean and Head of the Department
Padmashree Dr. D. Y. Patil University
Department of Business Management
Sector 4, Plot on 10, CBD Belapur
Navi Mumbai 400 614
Tel. ++ 91 22 27565616 Fax. ++ 91 22 27575064
Tel. (M) 98203 56428
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thanking you and with kind regards
Dr. R. Gopal
Director, Dean and Head of the Department
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Department of Business Management
Sector 4, Plot on 10, CBD Belapur
Navi Mumbai 400 614
Tel. ++ 91 22 27565616 Fax. ++ 91 22 27575064
Tel. (M) 98203 56428
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