Interesting how if in highly vaccinated area, when outbreaks occur, vaccinations can't be the cause, yet are claimed to work. Example, 2009/10 - Mumps outbreak 89% had previously received two doses of a mumps-containing vaccine. Now my math isn't the best, but that's not a great success rate.Nope, not a dentist.From: Guy MoormanSent: Monday, August 26, 2013 10:48 AMTo: 'tshewman' ; 'Rick Coker'Subject: RE: [ACEsthetics] Article: Measles Outbreak Traces To Vaccine-Refusing Megachurch--My daughter is a cynic. She heard the crap about vaccines causing all these diseases so she got on the internet and she did massive research. That was her job as a clerk for a superior court judge…research. And she looked everywhere. This was after she had lost one child to strangulation in a day care center. She was putting none of the others at risk.
We had a family in our church who had twin boys who were autistic…born autistic…but the mother was a PA and had picked up the propaganda on vaccines so she put hope against reason and spent thousands of dollars having the mercury removed from her children. It did nothing. She told my daughter one Sunday to never get her children vaccinated. The response from my daughter was she had lost one to idiocy and she was not going to lose another to idiocy by not vaccinating them against childhood diseases which were way more dangerous than any vaccine could be.
Again, are you a dentist?
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
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From: tshewman [mailto:tshewman@insight.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:17 AM
To: gmoor@windstream.net; 'Rick Coker'
Cc: kentsmith@21stcenturydental.com; 'ACE'
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Article: Measles Outbreak Traces To Vaccine-Refusing Megachurch
Unfortunately, many simply don't look at the data before vaccinations began. I used to be one of them. To claim without investigating would be disingenuous.
From: Guy Moorman
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:59 AM
To: 'Rick Coker' ; 'tshewman'
Subject: RE: [ACEsthetics] Article: Measles Outbreak Traces To Vaccine-Refusing Megachurch
Rick, small pox has been a plague as long as we've had recorded history. To say it was declining is less than disingenuous.
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
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From: Rick Coker [mailto:riccoker@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:13 AM
To: tshewman
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Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Article: Measles Outbreak Traces To Vaccine-Refusing Megachurch
? Did that have anything to do with what I posted?
Sure, arguments do begin to get emotion driven, and that happens on both sides. If you viscerally dislike the concept of vaccination, it's likely you will find many holes in the science, but it sure seems to fly in the face of a huge data set confirming their efficacy in eliminating many communicable diseases, like typhus, polio, diphtheria, smallpox and so on. Those diseases were scourges on mankind, and saying they were declining anyway is disingenuous at best.
Rick
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On Aug 25, 2013, at 9:03 AM, "tshewman" <tshewman@insight.rr.com> wrote:Far be it from me to point out that Forbes did not accurately report (not even close - they claimed there had been 1,100 case of measles in the Swansea area this year, when the actual documented cases from governments published statistics are very different from Forbes and other media reports). The few measles cases in Wales that they refer to.
If the vaccine works properly then the vaccinated child should never be affected. But sadly what is becoming clear is that vaccinated children appear to be developing these illnesses, measles even although they are completely up to date with their inoculations. So either vaccines don't work well......? Or they do and if they work well, there should be no fear from those who do decide to vaccinate their children.
It is very difficult to say the least if people are being persuaded to actions on the basis of false reports as above, whether it is vaccinating their children or altering the law so that they are compelled to do so, or......
It is also necessary to point out that the claimed safety of the vaccine requires attention. After all, it is benefit versus risk right? From The Cochrane review reported both in 2005 and 2012 "The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR studies, both pre- and post marketing, are largely inadequate" . Somehow, I suspect the initial submission for this was not read by the individual.
I realize this has become more emotional than statistically or scientifically driven, and some would suggest political motivation. We need only ask ourselves, why we believe what we do then check the stats to see if it is supported.
From: Rick Coker
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Article: Measles Outbreak Traces To Vaccine-Refusing Megachurch
I had an older gentleman patient in my chair last week, and he told me that he had survived diphtheria as a child, but four of his siblings had died! Damn, that was pretty serious, and nobody Ali's about it any more!
Rick
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On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:08 AM, "Guy Moorman" <gmoor@windstream.net> wrote:I've always been a bit stunned a pissed by the opposition to vaccines on the forum which is supposed to be made up of intelligent medically trained people. I had to live through the days of no vaccines essentially and probably am now living with post-polio syndrome. There is no doubt that millions of people had polio, which also is wildly contagious, without the paralysis symptoms that we associate with the disease and many are now feeling the effects even though we were vaccinated. If you were in the military, you got vaccinated against with every vaccine in the industrial world and it seemed a few that came from a voodoo cave. None of us showed any ill effects after the injections but of course we dosed thousands of young men with Agent Orange so it is hard to tell.
It is good to see the church pull back some and offer clinics for vaccination, though it is too late this time. Maybe other pockets of resistance will learn from this. You home school here if you don't get vaccinated. Vaccines are a gift from God and it amazes me that churches would oppose them.
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
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From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Smith
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:41 AM
To: ACE
Subject: [ACEsthetics] Article: Measles Outbreak Traces To Vaccine-Refusing Megachurch
Hmmmm....
Measles Outbreak Traces To Vaccine-Refusing Megachurch
http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/08/24/measles-outbreak-traces-to-vaccine-refusing-megachurch/
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