Jack,
How does what you just wrote address Steve's not understanding America's fervent embrace of religion and my point that America was founded based in part on fleeing religious intolerance?
If you want to point out irony and hypocrisy, Roger Brown and anti-Sharia sentiments are not the way to go. Better, would be pointing out the burning of black churches and synagogues that happened in a certain part of our country more frequently than other parts.
I understand your disgust at South Carolina's actions with regard to Sharia law. As a liberal democrat and of English descent, I am sure you would like to see a sharia based legal system rather than one based on our constitution. After all, our legal system has persecuted Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists, Muslims and Catholics. Our persecution of Muslims in this country under our Constitution-based legal system has gotten to the point where their numbers have doubled since 9/11. In fact, there is not a single religious throat that the boot of our constitutional-based legal system has not stepped upon. Sharia law? Yeah, a much better and tolerant idea, Jack. Start in your state first, okay?
Bravo, Jack. Good points.
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Bruce, the irony of the statement that the US was founded by people fleeing religious intolerance is that many of these same people, then, and today, were intolerant of other's religion. Rhode Island was founded because Roger Williams had to flee Mass because of religious persecution. One state, I think South Carolina, attached an anti-abortion rider onto an anti-Sharia bill. Is that not the definition of irony, and hypocrisy. We're banning your religious laws from being enacted, although there has never been any attempt to pass Sharia laws, but we'll pass laws our religious laws. One of the wealthiest counties in Alabama still doesn't allow liquor, beer or wine sales on Sunday.
Jack
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Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Larry Ellison on NSA and privacy. I totally agree with his angle.
Steve,
You're a smart guy. However, in your haste to paint us as being "less", you overlook the context.
America has a strong religious strain because we are a country founded by people fleeing religious intolerance, including by the empire your country owes allegiance to. As a result, many Americans believe our success was a function of providence.
While you can't understand our love and protection for the Constitution, you neglect to remember we had a war to break away from the empire you are a part of so that we could have our own government and our own legal system - which has some advantages over the English system (not including wearing those silly wigs - what's up 'bout dat!!!), which our Constitution embodies. Without our Constitution, we would be no better than a Canadian. You don't understand our love of the Constitution and we don't understand your fealty to an obsolete monarchy.
We have a love of guns because our guns bought us our freedom. Our guns enabled us to achieve our manifest destiny. Our guns protected us from invasion by your empire in 1812. Our guns enabled us to hunt for food and to provide tradeable assets. Our guns discouraged Japanese thoughts of invasion during WWII. Our guns give our government pause.
Our capitalism, left unchecked, is evil. Our capitalism, monitored by a government responsible to the people and not Wall Street, has lead to the greatest period of prosperity throughout the world. It could be perceived by some that you have ridden our coattails and are ungracious in your criticism given the benefits you have derived. After all, your prosperity was contingent to a large degree on the sweat of the American laborer - you know - the bible thumping, gun loving, constitution hugging people of which you have little regard for. Has there been a more generous nation in the history of the world willing to share their capitalism generated wealth than the American people?
While most Canadians might not like to be like us, most Americans are very happy not to be like Canadians.
Please don't take this wrong. I like Canada and most Canadians very much. I just have trouble with the ones who feel their shit doesn't stink.
Bruce
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Jeff, I'm not sure I'm getting what point you are trying to make. There are certainly Americans who are very much like Canadians (as there Americans who are like the French or the Italians), but the collective attitudes of the two countries as a whole are somewhat different - more different than a lot of Americans are aware - which was my original point.
Very few Canadians can identify with American gun culture, which we frankly find batshit crazy.
Few of us are comfortable with your level of religiosity or the way religion impinges on your politics.
Almost none of us can understand your collective obsession with "The Constitution", or why you would care so much what your founding father intended.
We don't really understand your ultra-polarization or how readily you judge each other based on political affiliation or religion.
We are capitalists, but we think your Uber-Capitalism goes too far.
For all those reasons, the average Canadian doesn't want to be American, and doesn't feel that we are practically the same" at all.
If you choose to see the lack of embracing of these uniquely American things as intolerance, I can't stop you, but It''s really just being different and thinking different and not wanting to be American - which should not in itself be an insult.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Rodgers <drrodgers@drrodgers.com> wrote:
Of course it sounds like SOME Americans. That is what makes it American. We don't sound alike. Many times even when we are saying the same things we don't sound alike.So when you say 'We Canadians aren't like Americans we don't have right wing nut jobs' (paraphrased…not an actual quote) it makes you sound just as intolerant as any American you may chastise for not opening their mind to the world around them.I will agree that the Canadian population is something like a filtered American population. (at least what I know of it) I believe that right now America is as polarized as it has ever been. It is insane. And it is coming from both sides. And to add to the problem we have no issue airing all of the idiocy on 3-4 24 hour news channels. But I think the world tends to take whatever CNN/MSNBC/Fox reports and assume they are speaking for all Americans.Oh well…I am trying not to digress too much.Have a good one.JeffJeff L. Rodgers, DMD, PCAtlanta, GAOn Aug 28, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Steve Hendry <rsh.dds.fagd@gmail.com> wrote:On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Jeff Rodgers <drrodgers@drrodgers.com> wrote:I don't know Steve…that sentence sounds very, very American.You mean it sounds like SOME Americans, do you not?Perhaps we can agree the Canadian population is something like a filtered American population with certain key elements removed?--
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