I agree with the views that Lokpal Bill will not be able to wipe out wide spread corruption, rather it will add another layer of equally corrupt administrative system. Simple reason is - who would appoint Lok Pals and where from these people will come- from the moon or from another planet? After some time Lok Pals will be accused of being corrupt and we need Gana Pals to control them followed by Jana pals to control Gana Pals and so on. So there will be no end unless every citizen of India gets the proper education on ethics and morality and takes oath not to engage in corrupt activities. I may sound to be an impractical idealist but unfortunately that is the only way to wipe out corruption.
Dr. Tarun Das
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Dear Sir, A very interesting document. But I have reservations regarding the comment that a Lok Pal is not needed. As we all understand the canker of corruption has come to be recognized by the supremacy of the secular common laws that govern public behavior.
Historically, India never had a secular rule of Law. Even during the British rule, the law favored the white men and their lackeys among the natives. They even made subtle distinctions between laws for the Hindus versus laws for the Muslims. This made them pass ordinances that we now recognize as their famous 'divide and rule' policy followed up with strict implementation. This gave the impression that their rule was free of corruption that we know of.
The rule of a secular law is novel by itself ( modeled closely on the rights of man). This requires mechanisms to record and pursue any violation of law in letter and spirit by every citizen, high or low, either individually or in concert. And we do not have such a mechanism with the Parliament abdicating its role to serve very narrow interests. The Machinery of the Lok Pal comes in as an alternative although not a perfect one. Our parliament has sat on this concept without any closure.
The proponents of the Lok Pal have put even powers to punish the wrong doers. While at the other end, the Lok Pal's role is to register alleged malfeasance and report it to the Govt to prosecute. The Role would probably be somewhere in between. It ought to record incidences of malfeasance, carry out a preliminary enquiry, create a first document for the investigative agencies and monitor the progress of the cases till closure, keeping its information publicly available to all people.
I feel, that the institution of Lok Pal is essential and should be protected under a constitutional amendment.
Best Regards,
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On Fri, 04 Oct 2013 05:49:59 +0530 wrote
>I am pleased to attach a short one page note on Corruption & Black Money.
best
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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Sri Joydip wrote:
corruption is a parasite which is eating everything in this country.However we have always try to address it as a problem of law makers and law enforcer. It seems that more laws are made and enforced more people had learned to bypass it. Until unless ,the conscience is developed by value education , where people inwardly face a resistence for becoming corrupt, there is no possibility, that we can address a solution of corruption.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
On 02-Oct-2013 10:13 AM, "Ramamirtham Gopal" wrote:
I heard about these statements regarding the price for a VC or Registrar etc.But never believed them. I am really shocked if true, the values seems to be too high. How will the VC be able to recover this cost that he has incurred?
thanksProf. Dr. R. Gp[a;
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM, John Kumar wrote:
Dear Prof.Prabhakar,�Thanks a lot for those inputs and I'm really shocked by reading those figures.
We asmanagement faculties, we need to uphold the ethics, because we teachstudents- Business ethics.
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Rajamanickam Rajan wrote:
Dear Professors and Eminent Academicians
What Professor Bholanath Dutta is absolutely right. The corruption is luting the academic scenario in the country and hence the quality has been deeply fallen down to ditches.�
Let me make it clear about the verdicts made beloved Prof. Dutta, it is true that the appointment is purely made on the basis of money paid the one who wish to become a Vice Chancellors of Universities.�
Some information about the appointment of various positions in the Universities
Vice�Chancellors �- � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Rs. 15 - 50 Crores
Syndicate Members nominated by the The Honourable Governor(Chancellor) � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Rs. 25.00 to 50.00 Lakhs
Registrars � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Rs. 8 - Rs. 10 Crores
Professors and Head of the Departments � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �Rs. 25 - 50 Lakhs.
Just couple of days before I happened to meet a sincere employee of a leading universities in Tamilnadu.
According to the information received�
The Benevolent Vice Chancellor of the particularUniversityhad prepared a list and respective demands by those who approach him for things to get done.
Grating Centre for Participating Programmes � � � � � � � � � � �Rs. 10.00 Lakhs (in fact the fees this is Rs. 1.00)�
Additional Courses (Based on the demand for the course) � � � � �Rs. 5.00 to 10.00�New Institution affiliation � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �Rs. 25.00�
Purchases made by university its various departments � � � � � � 20.00 percent to 30 percent on the value of the � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �bill � ��
Unqualified personnels are placed in the top categoryasDirectors/Deans/Heads of the Dept by collecting � � � � � � � � � Rs. 25.00 Rs. 50.00
Please note some of the officers even do not know the basic rules and regulations of the University, poor in communication, and in fact they themselves declare that they are in power steering positions of the University. They act as the collection agents for the vice Chancellors. Apart from the above the respective Minister must also be paid the respective share from the above collections.�
I am surprised how a person charged in a smuggling case and put in Tihar Prison. Do the government is aware or unaware of it?� �
If this is thesituationhow come we prove ourselves that we are talented in the Global Level and compete with rest of the world.�
It is well noticed that only because of few dedicatedinstitutionsand honest faculty members we are able to produce quality candidates to the corporate world.�
My sincere and humble request to all the members of the forum is let us keep ourselves from this act and continue to do the best to thestudentsand education arena.
Thanks for this opportunity to share my view to the subject taken by Prof. Bholanath Dutta � � � � � � � � � ��
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Prof. Bholanath Dutta wrote:
Corruption undermining higher education in IndiaBy�M Anandakrishnan [The writer is chairman, Board of Governors of IIT Kanpur]
�
People of India are deeply concerned about the form and extent of corruption in almost all walks of life. What is particularly alarming is the conspicuous corruption in higher education undermining the foundations of society. It has become so pervasive, making it difficult to assess the root causes.
The general perception, however, is that the increasing degree of political interference in higher education is a dominant factor. It occurs in many insidious forms, making it appear almost legitimate.
For instance, the state legislations on appointment of Vice-chancellors (V-C). In a few states, the chancellor, who is generally the governor, is required to consult the state government in selecting the name of a person from the panel submitted by the search committee. It is an open secret in some states that the ministers demand from the persons in the panel to shell out a few crores to be appointed as V-C. Currently, in one state the amount ranges from Rs 5 crore for smaller universities to Rs 50 crore for large universities with hundreds of affiliated colleges.
V-C aspirants accept the bait as the amount could later be collected from the affiliated colleges and from the various appointments and promotions in the university. It is sad that in several instances the chancellor/governor is also known to indulge in such collections through intermediaries. It is not difficult to see the spiralling effect of such a practice deeply penetrating every level of the academia.
For aided colleges, the state education ministers delay the sanction of faculty positions against existing vacancies till the college managements pay up the amount on the basis of number of vacancies. The logic is the managements should collect the amount from the selected teachers. The teacher in turn would engage in all forms of illicit practices to recoup the sum from the students and others. This is one reason for many competent persons not choosing to apply to some of the aided colleges.
Likewise, stories about demands made on PhD scholars by research guides sound like fiction but, unfortunately, are too widespread to be ignored. Besides demanding sexual favours, thesis supervisors and examiners extract sizeable sums from the helpless students before final approval.
Another cause for concern is the corruption in granting approval for new institutions. Many worthless institutions had obtained the status of deemed universities through bribing. So is the case with technical institutions.
Of late, the establishment of private universities under state legislatures has become a lucrative venue for huge illicit collections in some states. Many such universities tend to resist any form of regulation to maintain quality and standards of academic programmes. Hopefully, the proposed mandatory accreditation process will help raise the credibility of academic programmes of such institutions.
These are matters that need urgent attention at a time when the higher education system is poised for a steep growth. Fortunately, such undesirable practices are confined only to a few states in the country, though the number of institutions and persons affected are significantly large. In general, the institutions under the purview of the Central government are largely, though not entirely, free from such atrocious practices. Examples of several Central, state and private institutions which have demonstrated their ability to function unaffected in such a vicious environment can be emulated by others.
Fortunately, the regulatory authorities concerned with higher education at the Central level and in some of the progressive states are conscious of the prevailing malady and hopefully some of their initiatives will bear fruit.
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Historically, India never had a secular rule of Law. Even during the British rule, the law favored the white men and their lackeys among the natives. They even made subtle distinctions between laws for the Hindus versus laws for the Muslims. This made them pass ordinances that we now recognize as their famous 'divide and rule' policy followed up with strict implementation. This gave the impression that their rule was free of corruption that we know of.
The rule of a secular law is novel by itself ( modeled closely on the rights of man). This requires mechanisms to record and pursue any violation of law in letter and spirit by every citizen, high or low, either individually or in concert. And we do not have such a mechanism with the Parliament abdicating its role to serve very narrow interests. The Machinery of the Lok Pal comes in as an alternative although not a perfect one. Our parliament has sat on this concept without any closure.
The proponents of the Lok Pal have put even powers to punish the wrong doers. While at the other end, the Lok Pal's role is to register alleged malfeasance and report it to the Govt to prosecute. The Role would probably be somewhere in between. It ought to record incidences of malfeasance, carry out a preliminary enquiry, create a first document for the investigative agencies and monitor the progress of the cases till closure, keeping its information publicly available to all people.
I feel, that the institution of Lok Pal is essential and should be protected under a constitutional amendment.
Best Regards,
K.Paranjpe
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
On Fri, 04 Oct 2013 05:49:59 +0530 wrote
>I am pleased to attach a short one page note on Corruption & Black Money.
best
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Sri Joydip wrote:
corruption is a parasite which is eating everything in this country.However we have always try to address it as a problem of law makers and law enforcer. It seems that more laws are made and enforced more people had learned to bypass it. Until unless ,the conscience is developed by value education , where people inwardly face a resistence for becoming corrupt, there is no possibility, that we can address a solution of corruption.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
On 02-Oct-2013 10:13 AM, "Ramamirtham Gopal" wrote:
I heard about these statements regarding the price for a VC or Registrar etc.But never believed them. I am really shocked if true, the values seems to be too high. How will the VC be able to recover this cost that he has incurred?
thanksProf. Dr. R. Gp[a;
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM, John Kumar wrote:
Dear Prof.Prabhakar,�Thanks a lot for those inputs and I'm really shocked by reading those figures.
We asmanagement faculties, we need to uphold the ethics, because we teachstudents- Business ethics.
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Rajamanickam Rajan wrote:
Dear Professors and Eminent Academicians
What Professor Bholanath Dutta is absolutely right. The corruption is luting the academic scenario in the country and hence the quality has been deeply fallen down to ditches.�
Let me make it clear about the verdicts made beloved Prof. Dutta, it is true that the appointment is purely made on the basis of money paid the one who wish to become a Vice Chancellors of Universities.�
Some information about the appointment of various positions in the Universities
Vice�Chancellors �- � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Rs. 15 - 50 Crores
Syndicate Members nominated by the The Honourable Governor(Chancellor) � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Rs. 25.00 to 50.00 Lakhs
Registrars � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Rs. 8 - Rs. 10 Crores
Professors and Head of the Departments � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �Rs. 25 - 50 Lakhs.
Just couple of days before I happened to meet a sincere employee of a leading universities in Tamilnadu.
According to the information received�
The Benevolent Vice Chancellor of the particularUniversityhad prepared a list and respective demands by those who approach him for things to get done.
Grating Centre for Participating Programmes � � � � � � � � � � �Rs. 10.00 Lakhs (in fact the fees this is Rs. 1.00)�
Additional Courses (Based on the demand for the course) � � � � �Rs. 5.00 to 10.00�New Institution affiliation � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �Rs. 25.00�
Purchases made by university its various departments � � � � � � 20.00 percent to 30 percent on the value of the � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �bill � ��
Unqualified personnels are placed in the top categoryasDirectors/Deans/Heads of the Dept by collecting � � � � � � � � � Rs. 25.00 Rs. 50.00
Please note some of the officers even do not know the basic rules and regulations of the University, poor in communication, and in fact they themselves declare that they are in power steering positions of the University. They act as the collection agents for the vice Chancellors. Apart from the above the respective Minister must also be paid the respective share from the above collections.�
I am surprised how a person charged in a smuggling case and put in Tihar Prison. Do the government is aware or unaware of it?� �
If this is thesituationhow come we prove ourselves that we are talented in the Global Level and compete with rest of the world.�
It is well noticed that only because of few dedicatedinstitutionsand honest faculty members we are able to produce quality candidates to the corporate world.�
My sincere and humble request to all the members of the forum is let us keep ourselves from this act and continue to do the best to thestudentsand education arena.
Thanks for this opportunity to share my view to the subject taken by Prof. Bholanath Dutta � � � � � � � � � ��
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Prof. Bholanath Dutta wrote:
Corruption undermining higher education in IndiaBy�M Anandakrishnan [The writer is chairman, Board of Governors of IIT Kanpur]
�
People of India are deeply concerned about the form and extent of corruption in almost all walks of life. What is particularly alarming is the conspicuous corruption in higher education undermining the foundations of society. It has become so pervasive, making it difficult to assess the root causes.
The general perception, however, is that the increasing degree of political interference in higher education is a dominant factor. It occurs in many insidious forms, making it appear almost legitimate.
For instance, the state legislations on appointment of Vice-chancellors (V-C). In a few states, the chancellor, who is generally the governor, is required to consult the state government in selecting the name of a person from the panel submitted by the search committee. It is an open secret in some states that the ministers demand from the persons in the panel to shell out a few crores to be appointed as V-C. Currently, in one state the amount ranges from Rs 5 crore for smaller universities to Rs 50 crore for large universities with hundreds of affiliated colleges.
V-C aspirants accept the bait as the amount could later be collected from the affiliated colleges and from the various appointments and promotions in the university. It is sad that in several instances the chancellor/governor is also known to indulge in such collections through intermediaries. It is not difficult to see the spiralling effect of such a practice deeply penetrating every level of the academia.
For aided colleges, the state education ministers delay the sanction of faculty positions against existing vacancies till the college managements pay up the amount on the basis of number of vacancies. The logic is the managements should collect the amount from the selected teachers. The teacher in turn would engage in all forms of illicit practices to recoup the sum from the students and others. This is one reason for many competent persons not choosing to apply to some of the aided colleges.
Likewise, stories about demands made on PhD scholars by research guides sound like fiction but, unfortunately, are too widespread to be ignored. Besides demanding sexual favours, thesis supervisors and examiners extract sizeable sums from the helpless students before final approval.
Another cause for concern is the corruption in granting approval for new institutions. Many worthless institutions had obtained the status of deemed universities through bribing. So is the case with technical institutions.
Of late, the establishment of private universities under state legislatures has become a lucrative venue for huge illicit collections in some states. Many such universities tend to resist any form of regulation to maintain quality and standards of academic programmes. Hopefully, the proposed mandatory accreditation process will help raise the credibility of academic programmes of such institutions.
These are matters that need urgent attention at a time when the higher education system is poised for a steep growth. Fortunately, such undesirable practices are confined only to a few states in the country, though the number of institutions and persons affected are significantly large. In general, the institutions under the purview of the Central government are largely, though not entirely, free from such atrocious practices. Examples of several Central, state and private institutions which have demonstrated their ability to function unaffected in such a vicious environment can be emulated by others.
Fortunately, the regulatory authorities concerned with higher education at the Central level and in some of the progressive states are conscious of the prevailing malady and hopefully some of their initiatives will bear fruit.
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