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On Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:02 PM, Tumasang Martin <tumasangm@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Fungwa,
the most despicable act is not the priest sleeping with prostitutes but it is the disguising of prostitutes in Sisters' robes.
It is like disguising your fighters in Red Cross uniforms to trick your opponents during war which is a war crime. The sisters' cloth will have no respect or dignity again. It is being worn by prostitutes when ploughing their trade. When next I see a lady in a sister's robe in Cameroon, how do I know it is actually a sister or it is just another prostitute heading to the Priests' abort to plough her trade?.
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Tumasang
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the most despicable act is not the priest sleeping with prostitutes but it is the disguising of prostitutes in Sisters' robes.
It is like disguising your fighters in Red Cross uniforms to trick your opponents during war which is a war crime. The sisters' cloth will have no respect or dignity again. It is being worn by prostitutes when ploughing their trade. When next I see a lady in a sister's robe in Cameroon, how do I know it is actually a sister or it is just another prostitute heading to the Priests' abort to plough her trade?.
Regards
Tumasang
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Mishe Fon,
There is something you are missing about the whole story. The said priest decided to disguise these prostitutes as Rev sisters before smuggling them where his manhood was almost chopped off. From experience, this might have been going on for long unpertubed, with other priests benefitting from the deal.
Because of sex,great men have been reduced to nothing. Sitting with a lady in a compromised position and resisting sex temptation is usually very difficult for the mind to control.
But priest na stick?
FUH NGWA
There is something you are missing about the whole story. The said priest decided to disguise these prostitutes as Rev sisters before smuggling them where his manhood was almost chopped off. From experience, this might have been going on for long unpertubed, with other priests benefitting from the deal.
Because of sex,great men have been reduced to nothing. Sitting with a lady in a compromised position and resisting sex temptation is usually very difficult for the mind to control.
But priest na stick?
FUH NGWA
On Thursday, November 7, 2013 2:19 PM, "ngahndi@yahoo.com" <ngahndi@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr. Owona,
Your seeming comparing of Biya to Ahidjo however intended, is unfortunate. At the end of the day, Ahidjo was a more purposeful and a more visionary leader than his hand-picked successor. It is that purposeful and visionary effort that has Cameroun still hanging by the threads left of Biya's decades of plunder. What would have been left had Biya as founding president inflicted his known plunder on what the colonial French handed to him?
NDI MANJONG
Your seeming comparing of Biya to Ahidjo however intended, is unfortunate. At the end of the day, Ahidjo was a more purposeful and a more visionary leader than his hand-picked successor. It is that purposeful and visionary effort that has Cameroun still hanging by the threads left of Biya's decades of plunder. What would have been left had Biya as founding president inflicted his known plunder on what the colonial French handed to him?
NDI MANJONG
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Dr Esale ,
You are beginning to write like a prophet. The former Minister of Communication, Kontchou K. even added that our democratic model was "exportable". We are actually thinking of sending out political experts to lecture other African dictators on the Cameroon model whereby they will conserve their legitimacy and still get elected all the time.
What Biya is doing is a big improvement from what Ahidjo was doing. He used to stand elections alone, and if he does not get 100%, any sous prefet in whose subdivision he lost a vote will be sanctioned.
The worst case was even daring to cast a "bulletin null". The cener agents would spend months in that subdivision looking for the "opposant" who goes to vote but does not support the candidacy of "His Excellency, the God given father and Founder of the nation"
How far we have evolved today!
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Brother Herbert,1) What makes you think that His Excellency, President Paul Biya, is an "illegal leader"?2) Did Mr. Biya not win more than 70% of the electoral votes in the 2011 Presidential election, clearly defeating 22 other candidates from various political parties in La Republique?3) Was the Constitution not duly amended by the National Assembly (Law Makers) to accommodate and consolidate his legitimacy, long before the 2011 elections?4) When was the last time the Fon of Bali or Mankon or Bafut, won an election into "office"?When was the last time the Chief of Konye or Bakingili or Great Soppo or Kumba, ran a contested election for the chieftaincy? Who elects/selects these traditional leaders?5) Is it plausible or even remotely possible to imagine that our "democracy" in Cameroon is modeled after our traditional political "architecture" or structure? What would "Cultural Anthropologists" say about our political model or system of government?6) Why have you not aimed your criticism at the Monarchy of The United Kingdom or Queen of England, as well? When did the United Kingdom last elect their King/Queen? Who elects/selects the "leadership" here?7) BTW, who is the Head of Government in Great Britain? Who is the Head of Government in Cameroon? And how is the Magna-carta different from the Constitution of the Republic of Cameroon?8) What are the main differences between "Absolute Despotism" and "Enlightened or Benevolent Despotism", in relationship to the governance or Bali, as a "Fondom" and that of Cameroon as a country?9) What International Institution or Law recognizes "Southern Cameroon" as a country, or is this a figment of the imagination of a hand full of disgruntled Cameroonians?10) Which country among member states of the United Nations, Security Council or Africa Union, has recognized "Southern Cameroon" as an independent state?Just curious. The more you know.......................................Kind regards,SamOn Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Herbert Boh <herbertboh@yahoo.com> wrote:
My Brother Sam,I agree. This is as much a moral as it is a legal issue. It, sadly, unfolds in a country where illegality in politics as in prostitution seems to always triumph.Take any number of activities and illegality emerges winner: yes, abortion is illegal; underage sex or marriages are outlawed; disinheriting the girl child or women is illegal. Yes, prostitution, corruption, feymania, bribery, or swindling of public resources are illegal, too. But, the one thing true about Cameroon could be summarized thus: "long live illegality!"Today happens to be the 31st anniversary in power of the illegality called once called The New Deal. The only deal it has turned out to honor are illegal: vote buying is illegal; vote rigging is illegal; to overstay or extend one's political mandate is illegal; to colonize another country (Southern Cameroons) is illegal and it is illegal to disenfranchise millions of citizens, etc.You have heard the expressions which justify why illegality is legal in Cameroon: "le Cameroun c'est le Cameroun"; "l'impossible n'est pas Camerounais". You may want to add to that "l'illegalite n'est pas Camerounais".The prostitutes in this story are in the image of their illegal leader: as illegal, guilty and as morally bankrupt as they come.Boh Herbert
Sent from my iPhoneBrother Herbert,I understand that this story is being reported as a "moral issue" within the Church in general and the Catholic Church in particular. But let us broaden the perspective a little bit.Here are my concerns;1) Is prostitution legal in Cameroon?Or, what does the Cameroon Penal Code say about Prostitution?(a) Would the law in Cameroon protect the rights of prostitutes?(b) Would there be an Association of Cameroon Prostitutes in Cameroon (ACP) to lobby for their rights and/or interests? Where is their Corporate Office and who might the chairperson be?(c) How would you cap or determine the minimum wage of someone who is self-employed, if Prostitution was legal in the Republic of Cameroon?(d) Is if fair to say that this isn't only a "moral issue", it is also a legal mater? No?I am just curious.Best,SamOn Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Herbert Boh <herbertboh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,Very many priests of the Catholic Church are my friends (one is my junior brother) and everyone of them that I know are very happily unmarried.So, let's not use what was just a moment of human weakness and temptation brought to daylight by this disgusting "penis biting" crime to suggest that Catholic priests are in some prison because they consented (every one of them as an adult) to live celibacy. The sacrament of priesthood is a sacrifice, consented by priests many, if not most of whom, have previously experienced the pleasures.Most priests and other religious of the Catholic Church also take the vow of poverty. I'd be sickened if we, Christians, abandoned them to wallow in misery just because they took such a vow. It would be nonsense to suggest that priests should also give up the vow of poverty because they happen to like to spend money. So, too, it would be stupid to suggest that the sacrament of marriage be scrapped just because too many happily married people very happily cheat on their spouses.Now, let us, for the purpose of discussion, presume that these sex workers were in a legal sector. If they were, indeed, workers then is it possible that the priest paid quite well... as a matter of fact, is it possible that the priest paid way above the minimum wage? As a reminder, the minimum wage (updated last June 8) is a miserable 28,246F CFA (pre-tax) per month for all workers in all sectors in Cameroon.Let me be clear... I do not want anyone to think that I am challenging the right of sex workers being bullish about their tax-free stock and earnings. Which is why the ladies of the night were right to negotiate a price above minimum wage. At the same time, though, we know that the only "Monoprix" in Cameroon shut its doors a while back and that all prices in Cameroon are haggled. We also know that market deals are usually agreed at a lower price in Cameroon, including when the bargain is for the purchase of "biabiabia meat".Which brings me to some questions: If a contract was broken, why did the "not so reverend sisters" take justice into their hands? (...in this case, they took justice into their mouths). Why did they deliver this Shylock-like "pound of manhood" punishment to a priest who was cooperating (despite being blackmailed), including causing another priest to help him deal with the "plumbing job" at hand but also with picking up the check?Did the priest decide, as our managers at work do at pay time, to "cut pay" to the sex workers because "service in bed" was not as good as expected? Are we sure the sex workers did not steal money from the priest, making it impossible for him to honor the payment agreed in the first place? Why would a priest agree a price he could not afford for services on premises where just one scandal using shout from the "not so reverend sisters" would have blown their cover and uncovered the roof over the convent room they were using?Boy! Oh Boy! I'd love to hear this case argued in court.Boh Herbert
Sent from my iPhoneThese Priests should be allowed to get married like pastors and other men of God because sex scandals in catholic churches is growing rampantly. They are human beings and despite their priestshood calling they will always be tempted to satisfy their sexual ego.Theyshould be allowed to keep wives. Ashia Priest for that bite on your thing...
Fritz Misodi O.
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 10:33 AM, Francis Njung <njungf@yahoo.com> wrote:
Should this be true we should all pray for the priest and as well for the prostitutes after all Jesus was a friend to all???
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> Subject: [cameroon_politics] Cameroon Catholic Church Again: Priest Caught in Sex Scandal now Hospitalized
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> Reverend Father
> of French nationality is currently under going intensive
> treatment at the
> Yaounde Military hospital after two prostitutes almost
> dismembered his penis
> for unpaid sex. The CJ gathered that the reverend priest of
> the Congrégation
> Carmel had left the Saint Benoit de Babéthe Monastery in
> the Bamboutos
> Division, West Region, for Yaounde, on the invitation of
> Ludwig Blumen, Father
> Superior of Mount Carmel, in Nkolbisson Minor
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> that before embarking on the trip, Mathieu had two
> prostitutes disguised in Reverend Sisters' attire to
> accompany him. According
> to the prostitutes who went public after the reverend priest
> would not meet his
> part of the bargain, they had agreed that the priest was
> going to pay them
> 75,000 CFAF each, for the sex. After spending three days
> with the ladies in
> Yaounde and satisfying his sexual impulses with them, the
> 'Man of God' would
> not keep his word.
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> to pay them 40,000FCFA each instead of the 75,000FCFA
> earlier agreed upon. The Journal gathered that the host
> priest in Nkolbisson
> Minor Seminary actually participated in the rounds of sexual
> intercourse with
> the prostitutes; somuch that when Rev. Mathieu, could not
> afford the payments,
> he opted to assist his subordinate pay the sex workers
> 70.000FCFA each. After
> handing them the money, Mathieu thought a last round was
> worth it and so
> suggested to the ladies who readily agreed to the
> unsuspecting priest. As it
> turned out, it wasn't really a last round per se, it was a
> punishment round –
> after all the enjoyment! And everything appeared
> pre-arranged and effectively
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> course of the "last round," one of the ladies went
> down on the rev. gentleman, and sunk her teeth right into
> the base of his penis
> while her partner forcefully covered the mouth of the priest
> preventing him
> from raising an alarm. When it was all over, the ladies
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> monastery but were arrested by officers of the Mvog Beti
> Gendarmerie Brigade,
> as they tried to board a bus to Bafoussam. They were
> released a few hours later
> after alleged bribe of 15,000CFAF to the gendarmerie
> officers. The priest's
> ward at the military hospital is heavily under guard to
> prevent 'undesired'
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