If we - managers, adults, and other humans - ignore our responsibility from assessing other roles - whether parents or leaders - with whom we have relationships, written or otherwise, we fail in our duty.
Role holders work and deliver better today because we found weaknesses in what they did in the past. Even parenting and leading roles are better today because we were critical of their effectiveness.
Extending the essence of what Mr Virendra Goel wrote, no one can be excused from assessment.
The prudent way to assess would be to study large samples so that the action of any one individual is not used to draw deductions by generalisations.
From: Virendra Goel <goel.virendra@gmail.com>
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Role holders work and deliver better today because we found weaknesses in what they did in the past. Even parenting and leading roles are better today because we were critical of their effectiveness.
Extending the essence of what Mr Virendra Goel wrote, no one can be excused from assessment.
The prudent way to assess would be to study large samples so that the action of any one individual is not used to draw deductions by generalisations.
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From: Virendra Goel <goel.virendra@gmail.com>
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: RE: [MTC Global] Manager vs. leader
I beg to differ, there are bad mothers , there are bad leaders – there are mothers who kill their child in womb, there are mothers who abandon their children, there are mothers who are busy with their own high flying lives ignoring the needs of her children, there are mothers who do not stop children from being in bad company or bad learning bad habits. Similarly, there are leaders who do immense loss to their subjects - our political leaders are one example, business leaders whose wrong policies render whole lot of people jobless, there are religious leaders who inflame communal hatred…….
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Virendra Goel
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Could there be bad mothers?Could there be bad leaders? No.
If a fox appears as a tiger, whose fault is it?
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:40:48 +0530 wrote
>I don't think there are good leaders and bad leaders. Leader is a leader. It depends on
individual ideologies, believes, and ability to inspire and motivate which may be acceptable
or may not be. We may differentiate with the intensity they create in followers.
Regards
Kishore
On 20-Nov-2013 8:48 AM, "Virendra Goel" wrote:
Let us look at another question for time being – Can there be good leaders and bad leaders –
if yes, how do you differentiate?
RegardsVirendra Goel
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kodali
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An interesting Point from Dr. Dumblekar!
"A leader has followers. No follower, no leader. Only vision but no follower, still no
leader."An interesting point that I would like to draw extension to analyze this leader vs
manager.
This forum is of more of management where mostly the perspective is people involvement and
associated, I believe we can not limit to that dimension alone and should see a different
dimension as well here.
My points are "Lead" - Physical/Virtual Position always be "First One"
Leader or Manager should have some followers - Is this mandatory?
Why?
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:40:48 +0530 wrote
>I don't think there are good leaders and bad leaders. Leader is a leader. It depends on
individual ideologies, believes, and ability to inspire and motivate which may be acceptable
or may not be. We may differentiate with the intensity they create in followers.
Regards
Kishore
On 20-Nov-2013 8:48 AM, "Virendra Goel" wrote:
Let us look at another question for time being – Can there be good leaders and bad leaders –
if yes, how do you differentiate?
RegardsVirendra Goel
From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ekambar
kodali
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Manager vs. leader
An interesting Point from Dr. Dumblekar!
"A leader has followers. No follower, no leader. Only vision but no follower, still no
leader."An interesting point that I would like to draw extension to analyze this leader vs
manager.
This forum is of more of management where mostly the perspective is people involvement and
associated, I believe we can not limit to that dimension alone and should see a different
dimension as well here.
My points are "Lead" - Physical/Virtual Position always be "First One"
Leader or Manager should have some followers - Is this mandatory?
Why?
Why not we consider an "Innovator" as a Leader?--
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