Re: [camnetwork] Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: Urgent: The Argument of FORCE

Mukefor. ONLY Southern Cameroonians can decide their future. Their future could not possibly be decided by East Cameroon in a fraudulent 1972 "referendum" in a ONE PARTY STATE and INTERNATIONALLY unsupervised. The 1961 plebiscite was an international matter, and only an internaionally aproved plebisite by the people of Southern Cameroons/West Cameroon ALONE could change it. There is NO LEGAL agreement between the people of SC and LRC. If you have the "Agreement" document please, post a  scanned copy for us to see. One does not have to be a lawyer to see that document and understand COMPLETE WITH SIGNATURES -- UN, SC. LRC, UK.
 
Mbua


On Monday, 24 February 2014, 17:07, Dennis Tambe <dbtmamfe@hotmail.com> wrote:
In law there is tacit approval.
The people of Southern voted for reunification and consumed the union by abandoning federal institutions in favour of The United and then The Republic of Cameroon. 

No amount of pettifogging chicanery by dishonest lawyers, ambitious politicians and perpetual trouble makers will detract from the people's consent and imprimatur.

WE THE PEOPLE!

Mukefor

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From: benawaah@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:55:23 -0600
Subject: RE: [camnetwork] Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: Urgent: The Argument of FORCE

 

Good point Dr. Egbe. My layman's question is West Cameroon voted and expressed its intention to join East Cameroon; Did East Cameroon vote to approve West Cameroon joining it. When did that vote take place. What were the results?
Awaah

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From: louis_egbe@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:24:27 +0000
Subject: [camnetwork] Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: Urgent: The Argument of FORCE

 
All Dr. Munzu has to do to invalidate Mola's argument of no leagality is to produce the agreement between Southern Cameroons and LRC. The plebiscite was conducted only in Southern Cameroons and therefore CANNOT act as an agreement between the two states. Without any legal agreement, Dr. Munzu  is incorrect while Mola Njoh Litumbe is right. Mbua


On Monday, 24 February 2014, 15:38, Dennis Tambe <dbtmamfe@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is the usual bull shit of the SCNC when caught naked - blackmail those who do not agree with them and impugn their motives.   What does Dr. Munzu need from Paul Biya after 17 years as an Executive Officer with the United Nations?  The man has a good pension to live off his twilight years and fools want to impugn his intellectual honesty and independence! 

You secessionists have the bare truth in front of your eyes debunking your much-vaunted Anglophone unity.  My grandfather Mfor Tambe-Ayuk Mbechang of Besongabang was a steadfast nationalist who supported J.N. Foncha's campaign for reunification.  Thanks to Mfor Tambe Ayuk-Mbechang, then Clan Head of Ayuk Etayak, Mamfe voted with the North West peoples to join Cameroon.  That was a solemn decision by a majority of Southern Cameroons.  We shall thrash you phantom secessionists if another plebiscite was held today.  I stand behind the sagacity of my grandfather and J.N. Foncha.

You and your SCNC ilk will not cow ardent nationalist Cameroonians into submission. Please stop your errant blackmail on Dr Munzu who is man enough to give a detached and disinterested opinion on the legality of the 1961 reunification process.

It is unscrupulous characters like Paul Ayah who should be hiding their faces in shame.  Drowning political men clutching at errant causes.  Yesterday it was CDPM and PAP.  Today it is secessionist SCNC clap trap.  What a shame for a lawyer who should be more principled. 

Mukefor
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:15:14 +0100
Subject: [cameroon_politics] Re: Urgent: The Argument of FORCE

 

It is most unfortunate that as Mr Biya, plans a new government, Simon Munzu of all people who want to sell his birthright for some red porridge instead of learning how to hunt. No wonder he says he is 'ministrable.' I do remember that in one full day, I caused (arm-twisted and blackmailed) my former colleagues at CRTV to give Simon Munzu priceless airtime in Cameroon Calling, Dimanche Midi and Actualité Hebdo so that he could present the plight of the suffering masses of the Southern-West Cameroons. You mean Munzu would sell all of that for a pathetic ministerial post in a dying regime? He should listen to Mama Foncha's story. I just listened to Mrs Foncha this morning wailing that she has not been paid a dime of her husband's pension since Foncha died. That they brought her invitation to go to Buea for the so-called Re-unification on the 20th, days after the event had actually started. Etc. Of course Ma Foncha told the SDO who brought the invitation off. When Foncha died, this regime bought him a coffin that was too short. And that coffin came days after the family had gotten tired of waiting and bought their own coffin. So there were two coffins at Foncha's memorial: an abomination in itself. Munzu should also remember that when Endeley died, the Biya regime did not put out a condolence message. In fact, I was the only one to put out a condolence message on the CRTV programme - The Presidency - which I  anchored at the time. The Endeley family erroneously took it that Mr. Biya had sent them a condolence message. is this what Munzu wants to sell all his input into the Southern Cameroons case for? How sad. Pathetic. 


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:06 PM, PAP Communications Team <presidentayah@gmail.com> wrote:
OPEN DOOR TO VIOLENCE
BY AYAH Paul ABINE

Cameroon Radio Television – CRTV – in its programme "Cameroon Calling" of February 23, 2014, interviewed a number of persons about the high-sounding nothing christened "50th Anniversary of Reunification". Among them was Dr Simon Munzu. Munzu, inter alia, dismissed as unworkable Mola Njoh Litumbe's contention that there is no legal "reunification" between la Republique du Cameroun and Southern Cameroons; and that there is need for dialogue, leading to the signing of an instrument of joining. The ground of Dr Munzu's stance is that the United Nations did endorse the plebiscite and that it cannot come back on what it has done. He was categorical that the United Nations will not even entertain the issue.

With much respect, one would opine that Munzu made a political pronouncement akin to a layman's assertion rather than a statement of law. Even as law is essentially argumentative, it would be unfair not to suppose that Munzu, for incomprehensible reasons, overlooked basic notions of the law. With his leave, we propose to draw the learned man of law's attention to some basic facts and law.

We all know that relevancy is the cardinal canon in every legal disputation. And so do we talk about the fact in issue; facts relevant to the fact in issue; and facts relevant to facts relevant to the fact in issue. In sum, it is elementary law that relevancy does not stretch with infinite elasticity. Munzu may therefore wish to agree with us that the conduct of the plebiscite has never been an issue relevant to the fact in issue that the joining of la Republique to Cameroun by Southern Cameroun is not evidenced in writing. Panels of eminent scholars have so found over the years, thereby endorsing our stance, among us Mola Njoh Litumbe, that there is no legal instrument (document) showing that the two countries have ever been one. The President of la Republique du Cameroun does not hold to the contrary.

Intellectual honesty demands then that Munzu who holds himself out as being more knowledgeable than all of us, including the members of the various panels, (perhaps more president than the President of la Republique du Cameroun), and who consequently holds a contrary view, should name the relevant document, or even just refer us to it. That, in all honesty, is the legal means of proof or disproof. No-one needs to be a fellow in law to din this into Dr Munzu's head.

If the learned doctor's trump card is the worthless document called "Cameroon Federal Constitution", Munzu knows, or at least is presumed to know, that the said document was enacted by the National Assembly of la Republique du Cameroun in April, 1961 – some six months prior to the purported reunification on October 1, 1961. Neither in the context of time nor space did the National Assembly of la Republique du Cameroun have jurisdiction over Southern Cameroons. It is elementary law that, as long as that foreign instrument, namely, "Cameroon Federal Constitution", was not ratified by the Southern Cameroons House of Assembly, (and perhaps the House of chiefs), prior to the date of the so-called reunification, the said document does not have any binding effect on Southern Cameroons.

Even if any legal instrument there ever was that evidenced the joining, that did not dispense with the legal duty imposed by Article 102 of the United Nations Charter on the member state that la Republique to Cameroun had been since September 1960 to deposit the instrument with the United Nations as evidence of variation in the international boundaries of that member state as of its date of independence. It may not be insulting to say that there is nothing inscrutable about that contention; at least not for a person of Munzu's erudition.

Granted by the widest and wildest stretch of imagination that there was joining as per the process laid down by the United Nations, on what ground does Munzu base his categorical assertion that the United Nations can never undo what it has done? Munzu knows, or ought to know, that Kosovo was part of Yugoslavia that was a member state of the United Nations. Similarly were East Timor, Eritrea, and South Sudan yesterday parts of member states of the United Nations. Yet did the same United Nations carve out those new states. If Southern Cameroons is a case sui generis, intellectual honesty here again burdens Munzu with proof of the fact that Southern Cameroons is a special case. Millions of Southern Cameroonians expect Munzu to unburden himself so as to dissipate rightful suspicion. That seems important and imperative because not too many ordinary Southern Cameroonians may understand what appears to be a subtle message from him.

Indeed, Southern Cameroonians of a reasonable station in life do find Munzu's subtlety bare of ambiguity. They know that for his learning and relations with the United Nations, Munzu is possessed of all the facts. He surely is not wrong in his assertions relative to the conduct of international business by that world body. It is common knowledge that only violence compelled the United Nations to create the new nations out of its member states. Munzu therefore advises that our slogan of "the force of argument…" can never set the United Nations in motion. To explain in superfluity, Munzu is categorical that the only language the United Nations understands is violence. And that, after all, is enshrined in the charter of the world body!

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