Re: [cameroon_politics] An upecist answer to Chief Charles A.Taku and Others.

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The chief probably does not realize that when a chief from Manyu or Ndian or Donga-Mantung crosses over to contiguous chiefdoms in Nigeria he is also well received as a chief on account of ethnic closeness. But that does not mean the Southern Cameroons and Nigeria are one country.  Going by the chief's strained logic his country, la Republique du Cameroun, should sink itself into Nigeria or Chad or CAR or Congo or even Gabon on account of cross-border ethnicity. The Nguni people of Eastern Zambia pay allegiance to the Zulu King in KwaZulu Natal in South Africa. The Tswana people in South Africa pay allegiance to their Chief across the border in Botswana. There are many similar interesting examples across the African continent. No sane person has ever suggested that wherever this interesting phenomenon occurs the countries affected should be collapse into one. The Camerounese people would do well to keep their culture-ethnicity double speak and their national unity histrionics to themselves. CA Sent from my iPad On 01 Mar 2014, at 7:56 PM, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com> wrote: Chief Mila Asoute, Why am I not surprised by your disingenuity? I did mention somewhere that the natives of La Republique du Cameroun tend to be very economical with the truth and far from law-abiding and here comes Chief Mila to prove the point. Let  Let me make this as simple as I can.  Anglophone refers to citizens of the State of Southern Cameroons which became independent on October 1, 1960 as the State of West Cameroon. West Cameroon had its own government and parliament and its PEOPLE who still live in their own territory. That state had its government, its parliament and its PEOPLE living in their own territory which territory is recognised as such under International Law. I ask you, Chief Mila, where is that State today? Francophones refers to citizens of La Republique du Cameroun which became independent on 1 January, 1960 within known international boundaries with its government and people and National Assembly.  Both the State of Southern Cameroons or West Cameroon and La Republique du Cameroun allegedly came together in 1961 to constitute Cameroun. Today we see La Republique du Cameroun: where is Southern Cameroons.  Surely it is the height of disingenuity to be as francophone as a frog's legs, meaning to be a citizen of La Republique du Cameroun why refusing me the right to be a citizen of the Southern Cameroons under the colonization agenda that English is not my mother tongue. What has English gotta do with the Statehood of the Southern Cameroons and its independence? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Chief Mila <chiefmilla@gmail.com> wrote:   I am always surprisely follow the way we look what we it's so called "Anglophones and francophones" issues in Cameroon No one in our country is raised up  in his village with a native language called french or english. We all learn franch and english in school no mater wich culture we claim ourself to come from What we all grow up with in our villages, by our parents, are not englich nor french, but native languages. In Cameroon many are not biligual but threelanguals. When I, His Highness Mila Assouté, a francophone, I travell to Tombel, Kumba, Buea, Kupe Muanenguba, Bangem, I dont feel being francophone and they dont feel being anglophones. I receive a due respect of his royal higness because something else more powerfull than eglish or french ties us. Culture! Mbo's culture in our joujjou house tells us who we are ! So, no one speeks english or french in joujou house basicaly ! The problème looks exactly same in the north west Cameroon (anglophones too) with some certain cultures west Cameroon (francophones). That meands we are basicaly brothers and sisters in same country, by our culture, no mater wich foreign languages or basic education we  may have one another under colonialism Our problems in our country as one nation, no mater two federations or only one, is only how to share common grows production, how to develop hour country equaly and how to manage it with no tribalism, no segregational mesures, no confiscation of power... Real democratic system in Cameroon will resolve these issues. How can we recognize Fru Ndi or Kah Walla voters being anglophones or francophones in Bouala, and even in Bamenda or Kumba? How can you recongnize paul biya voters? How will recognize Bello Bouba or Ndam Njoya voters? How will recognize Ayah paul voters in that country. Lets us dont fight for a wrong fight in 2014 in a global world! .We might have some hanger in mind but never forget who you are. Just imagine how pur english people or pure french people look at us when fighting around their own languages to show our national diffirences and in onother hand claiming to fight against colonialism! Just  Amazing for those who claim manturity! 2014-03-01 6:23 GMT+01:00 Bonaventure Tchucham <tchucham@yahoo.fr>:   Dear Mr. TatahMentan, despite my efforts, I couldn't understand the purpose of your comment. What do you mean by "déjà vu"? Do you thereby mean that Dr Yagnye is wrong in what he's saying? Do you mean that you'd only take something serious when it has no resemblance with something else you've ever heard or seen before? What about Education? It said that "Repetition is the mother of education". If you agree that we spend our whole life educating ourselves, then you shouldn't mind "dèja vu"-impressions, should you? Or would you say you would not learn anything from them? In one single sentence, you attempt to discard a sincere effort of dialogue on a serious issue without bringing out a single argument. You can call that effort of dialogue a "sermon" if you want, and you can even call it useless. Being rude is generally a sign of something I would not name, but that thing is never wisdom. I think that Dr Yagnye is sincere and that he means it good in his effort to debate with Fellow SW/NW citizen and compatriots. "Déjà vu", you say? Well, if it helps us out in a way or another, why not? So make some effort of argumentation, Sir, and show us how you can manage to help the situation without giving an impression of "déjà vu"! Have a nice day ma mbrada,   Bonaventure Tchucham Les deux clefs principales de la Science: "Il n'y a qu'une seule Loi, et Celui qui travaille est Un. Rien n'est petit, rien n'est grand dans l'économie divine." "Les hommes sont des dieux mortels Et les dieux sont des hommes immortels." De : Immanuel TatahMentan <inmentan@yahoo.com> À : "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com> Envoyé le : Vendredi 28 février 2014 21h39 Objet : Re: [cameroon_politics] An upecist answer to Chief Charles A.Taku and Others.   Dear Daniel YAGNYE, Thank you for your sermon. We have been fed with it for long.Hence, it is a deja-vu. Good luck!!! Tatah  Mentan   Human Community=Human Communication=Human Productivity I was led to understand the value of my anger and my desire to speak out, through these words from Mary Catherine Hilkert, a Dominican theologian. She wrote in Speaking with Authority: Catherine of Siena and the Voices of Women Today: "Sometimes the words of protest are the only words we can speak clearly in the face of complex forces of evil woven into the fabric of our lives and world. We cannot always see or name the way forward. Further, no liberation front or political or social program can be identified with the reign of God. But even the cry of protest is a word of grace that moves us to resistance and to searching for another way. The beginning of finding a new path is speaking the truth of what clearly is not God's will for human life …." On Friday, February 28, 2014 1:17 PM, Daniel Yagnye <yagnyetd@hotmail.com> wrote:   Dear Chief Charles A.Taku, It has always been a delight to read you. It is with a great deal of gratitude and pleasure that I have read your mail to Mr. Tchucham in which you as usual show a huge Open-mindedness   and raise an important point concerning the ideology that must drive a struggle and the conditions under which strategic partners can be considered seriously.  Considering that you expressly referred to the "Ideology empire" that Um and his followers built, I would like to make a brief recall of what pushed the "Anglophones" of their time to follow them. As you said it very rightly, they would have voted overwhelmingly for the UPC, had the French not destroyed our hopes. Before discussing the issue of ideology itself, I would like to underline some general considerations that have already been made in the course of the debates on the "Anglophone issues" these last weeks. The most important point that I want to raise is that I would like all of us, fellow Anglophone and fellow Francophone Citizen and compatriots to consider the fact that the basic issue for us is not about ousting Biya or any other « Aujoulatist agent » but to get rid of/or change the system in place by siding with our populations. Also, I would like us to seriously consider whether the problem with Southern Cameroons is the artificial "conflict" or "discord" between the NW and the SW as some want to insinuate. Furthermore, is it not about being Cameroonians in the same country or refusing the country's unity, or let's put it this way, about rejecting the idea of unity with other Cameroonians considered as francophones? Please bear in mind that I'm just asking us to think about it.   There has always been a minority current against the Reunification that has survived and that is likely to take advantage of the failures due to what I call "Contentieux Historique" (the crimes of France in our country that remain undebated and unpunished thank to the prevalence of neocolonial rule) to prevail. I would not dare to say that that current still remains a minority today but it has been nourished by the ongoing frustrations from La Republique and the offhand manner with which the Yaoundé regime has been treating the "Anglophone issue" raised by the fellow Compatriots of SW/NW provinces. The great "Reunification" fraud and many other frustrations named during debates here have given that cause its autonomy. Despite all the arguments that seek to demonstrate the differences between our Peoples, let me insist that a People is not a composite of populations but a political and historical construct. In this understanding, before colonization our People was One. Our People still is One today after colonization, fake reunification and formal independence. The reality of annexation and assimilation must not lead us to confusion and to serious errors of appreciation. There is a strong linkage between the restoration of the Southern Cameroons' Dignity and the restoration of the Independence and the Sovereignty of the whole Republic of Cameroon.   So let us consider this: the problem is it to renouncing our well-deserved rights as CAMEROONIAN CITIZEN by setting the clock 50+ years backward because of the "Contentieux Historique" instead of trusting the whole Cameroonian People like our predecessors - "Anglophones" and "Francophones" all alike - did 50+ years ago, and embracing the struggle for the sake of the whole Kamerun, a country in which you, Chief Taku, or Boh Herbert or Pah Fru Ndeh, as CAMEROONIAN CITIZEN - and not just as PWAACE as Pa Fru keeps promoting it - could become the PRESIDENT of the country with the approval of all/or the majority of the populations??     As for the ideology, please allow me to quote three statements in which you have insisted on that matter: 1. "The Southern Cameroons has discovered that during the pendency of colonial rule, the Citizens of La Republique du Cameroun have made little effort to provide an ideological perspective to their struggle against neo-colonial rule." 2. "The more than 300 political parties that exist in La Republique have no  ideology to underpin their ambition to take power? The SDF which espoused a liberation ideology from inception has been subdued through infiltration by Aujoulatist agents." 3. "Where is the ideological empire Mpodol, Ouandie, Moumie and others built which was admired and emulated by revolutionary leaders throughout Africa, including Nelson Mandela, Amilcar CABRAL, AUGOSTINHO Neto etc.  Show me where it is so that like these liberators that I have cited we can believe you and like our leaders in 1952, we can once more recommence the discussion where they left."   To make it short, I won't comment on whether the effort to provide such has been little or if there has been no ideology at all. It is very right to point out the paucity of an ideology as compared to the age of Um and his comrades, but let us be reminded that neither their generation nor the today's parties can be compared to one another in all respects.   As for our two generations, unlike Um, Ouandié, Moumié, Ossende and their Comrades who confronted and fought the crude colonial rule and died for their ideals, the postcolonial generation did not succeed in confronting head-on the more refined neocolonial regime with the same resolve, and many accepted to serve it, the reason being for a large part the cruelty of the neocolonial regime as I pointed it above combined with several tactics of crushing contestation and keeping power. Our brother Janvier Tchouteu-Chando stated in an article that: "...Leadership over the forces that should give Cameroon its strength (the people) has been undermined by government-instigated discrimination. Clannishness, tribalism, ethno-centrism, regionalism and other forms of division are often set aflame on groups (as scapegoats) in order to dispel discontent directed against the government and the system. The regrettable outcome of such moves has been the open and latent distrust that has caused the breakdown of cooperation between the forces that are supposed to work together to realize our potentials" (in "Why Cameroon needs a fundamental change") Also, the 300+ parties - with the exception of the SDF to a certain extent – are mostly governmental creations. They cannot be compared with the UPC that has constantly undergone unspeakable persecution and repression over the decades. Biya does not let our party alone. His administration interferes all the time in our affairs and has yet split it into several factions, one of which is even called "UPC gouvernementale". On the other hand, there is the stranglehold of France that you have also recognized, just like Mr Janvier Tchouteu-Chando did:"...The majority of cameroonians have always rejected the system and the Ahidjo and Biya regimes that the system created...the present French-backed regime relies heavily on the nation's stereotypical armed forces and secret service" (ibid.).   Nevertheless, the UPC still holds on to its IDEOLOGY, though it cannot live up to the requirements of that ideology in its present day condition. That ideology was founded on the pillars of the Revolutionary Nationalism, the Reunification prior the Independence and the Betterment of the condition of the Cameroonian Populations. That ideology was summarized in one word: the UPECISM, which rested on VALUES like Fraternity, Truth, Sincerity, Courage, resolved Commitment to one's cause, Patriotism, Love for one's PEOPLE and one's LAND etc. The fact that no other ideology has emerged that can overbid this one is because the issues have not changed, but have been worsened on both sides of Mungo River by 50+ years of "navigation à vue". But that does not mean there's NO ideology at all for it is the same ideology that true and committed Upecists stand for today. It is the ideology I stand for. It only needs to be properly adapted to the specific conditions of our time. And it is appropriate to treat the problems of our society. Reason why I very much appreciate the closing of your write up in which you state the readiness of Southern Cameroonians to join efforts to continue the struggle that our Ancestors died fighting, so as to change the present system, and bring about the changes that we all so much long for and build the kind of society that we would like to live in and leave to our children and grandchildren as legacy. The ousting of the Yaounde regime is a mere secondary option in the course of this essential process. That is the common point that links our generation and that of our Ancestors.     Permit me to end at this point, the future will tell us more about our common destiny. This is in close relation with the spirit of the posture that Um had in 1952, and I am confident that we will find the right answers to the questions we are raising today, and will come to understand each other on the right thing to do. This is particularly true as far as your request of a blueprint or platform and your plea for the Southern Cameroonian case are concerned: 1. "The Southern Cameroons  have persistently replied by asking the proponents of this general proposal to show them a plan and a platform and additionally convince them why joining forces to remove Biya resolves their problem". 2. You have said also: „The Southern Cameroons Case is a case for the respect of international legality, a struggle against annexation and colonial rule and indeed, a fight for justice against international criminality."   Strangely enough, I could have myself made that same plea and written that request while addressing France, Great Britain and the so-called international community, but not only for the Southern Cameroons but for the whole Republic of Cameroon at least for the second statement of the request!   The day comes when WE will just do it!   Very respectfully and faithfully yours,   Daniel YAGNYE __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (4) <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cameroon_politics/ Visit Your Group • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ -- The thing always happens that you really believe in; and the belief in a thing makes it happen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ambasbay" group. 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