Re: Re: RE: [MTC Global] FYUP Storm

A few questions:
1.
Is there any research work available done by any Indian or foreigner in the matter,
objectively, based on mainly Indian conditions?
2.
India is the largest democracy in the world but even after 67 years of independence we could
hardly set our education system, nor we have adapted fully Western Education pattern as
adapted by many countries like Indonesia.
3.
Almost for 67 years one single party ruled this country, we are boastful to say we are the
people for human rights, democracy and world-piece. Never, never we color our education, then
why today?
4.
Are we not side tracking the real issues, issues close to the heart of a common man:
accessibility, cost, unto the last man of society, international standing, etc.?

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:50:28 +0530 wrote
>I completely agree with Prof Achut Kumar , we are missing the larger context
here. And as Prof Stephen Narayan points out that there is some utility of FYUP on terms of
people planning to do jobs in some other countries in US and others. The question which is
posed by Prof Arati Basu , is also valid that do we have a right kind of infrastructure to
make a 4 years program really creating value.

"4 years" program is an experimentation . Some might like it and some might not , there are
pros and cons of it.
as we are really find from the discussion.Is UGC  right on telling that is not according
to the National Educational Policy which is made in 1986 ? . The very important question which
comes -

" How does a policy documents in 1986 address the challenges faced by the education paradigm
of 2012-2013 , when the FYUP is introduced ? Is it that between these 26-27 years , there is
nothing changed in the global education scenario and also in the National education scenario ?
Isn't the students right now are planing also to have a degree which is equally valid on other
countries , where might they have to shift for a job ?

What is the role of HRD Ministry here ? Isn't it the Job of HRD Ministry to get both the UGC
people and the DU Management sit in a table and discuss the issues ? What is the sense which
is going across the world , that our institution of excellence are fighting among themselves
which they can pretty well sit down and sort it ? 

I think the question is not whether we require a 3 year or a 4 year program . But the question
, how the education institution and education sector will function now on ?  Will now
the education institution and regulatory authorities will fight like cat and mouse , and there
will be militant groups of student taking the lead , and teachers should be beaten and VC's
would resign ?

Is this  the future of countries education sector , we look forward, which is fuel for
development of manpower ?

Let us agree , on one thing that anything is done with force will have temporary effect . We
cannot force culture to the people , neither we can force , that all
the initiatives which are taken  by past Government should be
removed . Where is the growth of the nation, if every Government comes and only
focuses on removing initiatives by past Government. This Government will
saffronize the education and the next government will come and de-saffornize it . This way
where will the Nation reach ? Can we protect our culture , our tradition and good things which
we have with such sort sighted thinking ? 

If we have protect our culture we have to build knowledge and Wisdom and make people have
consensus that they themselves come up and protect there . Tommorow, I will be speaking on an
International conference in Thiru on "Sacred Geographies , Religious Cultures and
Popular practices in History and Imagination†on "Medieval and Early Modern Puranic and
Religious biographies of
Tiruvannamalai - based on the Puranic Text of Arunachala Mahatmaya a important
portion of Skanda Purana" that consensus can be developed on Tiruvannamalai
 gaining an International recognition
on becoming the UNESCO World Heritage Site, which could be a real form of protection of
culture , atmosphere and also the spiritual environment out here.

If we have protect  our culture and sanctity of our education , we cannot force and
impose it , we have to build wisdom and consensus like this, that more people participate and
take the lead , that FYUP  row like things doesn't happen further.

Don't you think , if this kind of discussion and knowledge sharing which we are doing here ,
if it is done between UGC and DU than the things would have a different impact ?
 Solutions could come up in a more peaceful manner ?
  
 

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On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Prabhakar Waghodekar wrote:

In the era of information explosion, in the era where e-learning,

mobile technology, ITC, Flipped classroom, MOOC, it is but vital to

compute the optimal duration of a programme from primary to PG.

Actual classroom teaching and conduct of practical are being reduced

day in and day out. Students' attendance has become a big issue. In

many institute/universities faculty turn for bare minimum duration.

Research and consultancy is at low ebb.



We are pleased and feel proud (?) when the whole world praises that

India is the youngest country with the world's highest population of

youth in the age group of 15-35 years. Instead being involved in

non-contributing issues, let us focus on skill development, provide

work to youth-hands, or else only God knows what would be our fate

in the next 3-4 decades.

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:05:33 +0530 wrote

> I would like to put up a question to worthy academicians on this

forum:Taking present 3 years program as the benchmark: a. What is it

that cannot be given within available span of time hence needs extra

days of learning b. What additional learning should be facilitated

by a 4 year program.RegardsVirendra GoelFrom:

join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On

Behalf Of Prof. Jayanta K. Nanda

Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 6:22 AM

To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [MTC Global] FYUP StormHi all,There is nothing wrong in

following either 10+2+4+1, or 10+2+3+2 as up to Masters level it

adds to 17 years of study.BUT IT MUST BE IN ALL INDIA LEVEL. ONE

COUNTRY, ONE EDUCATION SYSTEM.If that VC of DU is not yet resigned,

he must be fired by HRD as that VC started thinking DU is not in

India.Regards.J.K.Nandawww.jknanda.com From: goel.virendra@gmail.com


To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [MTC Global] FYUP Storm

Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:50:32 +0530Prof. Stephen Narayan has

called the ABVP a militant group â€" May I ask if NSUI and student

body of CPM are any better? It would be better if this forum

discusses on how a 4 year program can add value and whether the same

can be practiced or being practiced instead of focusing on political

aspect of the issue.RegardsVirendra GoelFrom:

join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On

Behalf Of Dr.Nikhil Zaveri

Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:57 PM

To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [MTC Global] FYUP StormI think we must understand the

merit behind such a curriculum. In the past, we followed 11+4

pattern which was ,then, converted into 10+2+3. It means that 1 year

from school, and 1 year from college were withdrawn and a system of

Higher Secondary was created. But, in that case, Engineering was

such a discipline where the change did not take place, means, it

fell into 10+2+4 pattern. When the international practices are such,

particularly, in USA, to admit students at the PG programs who have

undergone 10+2+4 in order to meet with the requirement of Credits.

Therefore, in order to create rigour as well as depth of

specialisation, it is necessary to innovate existing programs which

become meaningful, useful, relevant. There is nothing wrong in

having 4 years program if they provide value to students.Dr Nikhil

ZaveriDirector & PrincipalSEMCOMwww.semcom.ac.inDate: Tue, 24 Jun

2014 17:29:33 +0530

Subject: Re: [MTC Global] FYUP Storm

From: bnath.dutta@gmail.com

To: join_mtc@googlegroups.comIt was envisioned that 1 year in FYUP

will be focussed on developing employability of the students . But

DU FYUP curriculum is a big flop. Happy Knowledge Sharing.

Best Regards,

Prof. Bholanath Dutta

Founder , President & Convener

MTC Global I www.mtcglobal.org

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Cell +91 96323 18178On 24-Jun-2014 5:21 PM, "Prabhakar Waghodekar"

wrote:Indian are the best managers. They

believe in Crises Management,

give birth to an issue and show that we have managed it. This is the

yard stick for our branding without regards to what happens later.



In the FYUP case also, there are a few basic questions:

1.

What is the need that a few Indian colleges located in the Capital

of India to switch over from 3 yrs to 4 years UG prg?

2.

Who has proposed this model? Which regulatory body has approved this

proposal? How do the objectives of 4 yrs differ from that of 3 yrs?

3.

Is it to make easy access to a few to foreign universities?

4.

Is it in tune with National HE Policy? How to set equivalence of 4

yrs and 3 yrs UG prg?

5.

Can it provide quality education at affordable cost?

6.

Who are the beneficiary of such prgs? What will be their

contribution to national development?





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On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:21:37 +0530 wrote

> Do you support FYUP [Four Years UG program] to align with the

global education system [16 years of study]. Those who have watched

TIMES NOW DEBATE yesterday at 9PM, IST , could further throw light

on the same. I am sorry to say that panel members could not take up

the topic at a higher level. They just fought with each other

without much depth on the subject and lack vision. Many says it is

Americanisation of Indian Education and many argued Satya Nadel is

the product of existing system…………………resistance to

change….[DU has scrapped the ambitious FYUP]Educate, Empower,

ElevateProf. Bholanath DuttaFounder, Convener & President







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