Isn't it bewildering that every time I care to listen in during the conversation here the same people are either still IN DENIAL, either re-cycling their skewed reasoning or still re-couching their fallacies in other words.
Fellows like this Banyongen even stunned me by going from bad logic to worse when they are not guilty of misconstruing even known study on the dynamics of tribe, ethnia, ethnic nation, ethnicity, ethnic nationalism, etc.
These are the same people who pretend to refuse that they are not as francophone as a frog's legs with the attendant very francophone curse of skewed academia and reasoning.
I credit Owona's Nguini's in denial regarding the reality of a "pays organisateur" on the Camerounese political turf to the usual skewed academia inherent in every francophone.
Now, take pen and paper, will they.
And take notes.
Random Notes from Den of Lions Vol 1. By Ntemfac Ofege Nchwete Nkong Aloysius.
Norman Yetman (Yetman & Steele 1975:10) intimates that an ethnic group is identifiable by its distinct cultural character. Ethnicity, intimates Yetman, implies the existence of a distinct culture or sub-culture in which cabal members feel themselves bound together by common ties and are so regarded by other members of the society.
We versus them is the overt or covert agenda of ethnicity.
Nationality, language, religion or ir-religion and tribal identity are all ethnic categories and they have been employed to distinguish between conflicting groups. In a broad sense, however, ethnicity recurs to a wide range of social phenomena in the study of social inequality. [1]
I hope I do not have to explicate the above.
No time.
To be Contd.
[1] Norman R. Yetman and C. Hoy Steele (Boston, Allyn and Bacon, 1975)
The Source of my Strength
Bishop David Oyedepo says, "Christianity is not a religionl. Christianity is a manifestation of the supernatural: supernatural wisdom, understanding, knowledge, counsel, power-stamina, righteousness-morality, and spirit. I am a born-again Christian, a prophet, a proof and manifestation of that power. I am a vibrant winner, an overcomer, a victor. I can do ALL things through HIM which gives me strength. I lead. I speak wisdom to my generation.
Bishop David Oyedepo says, "Christianity is not a religionl. Christianity is a manifestation of the supernatural: supernatural wisdom, understanding, knowledge, counsel, power-stamina, righteousness-morality, and spirit. I am a born-again Christian, a prophet, a proof and manifestation of that power. I am a vibrant winner, an overcomer, a victor. I can do ALL things through HIM which gives me strength. I lead. I speak wisdom to my generation.
On Thursday, April 2, 2015 10:12 PM, "Pa Fru Ndeh PaFruNdeh@YAHOO.COM [cameroon_politics]" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Mr. Aaron Agien Nyangkwe,
I do not think that Dr. Serge Bayongen is in tune with the HARSH realities of Cameroonians.
I used to think like him until at least over a decade ago, when I started looking back and thinking
about the ACTIONS, not words, of so many people that I had come across in life, especially politically.
And then in or around 1996 or so when we/I submitted the idea of an ALL ENCOMPASSING ASSOCIATION
OF CAMEROONIANS to CAMSA. Out of that idea came the birth of AMACAM in roughly 1999.
AMACAM stands for the AMerican Association of CAMeroonians.
It was a terribly hard sell to Cameroonians. I had to come to terms with the REALITY that Cameroonians
preferred the associations of their families, extended families or NATIONS (read TRIBES if you prefer).
The fact is, Cameroon is largely a heterogenous country and hence a conglomerate of tribes.
Other places or countries are much more homogenous.
MEON is saying things that do not reflect his actions. That is the unfortunate reality.
MEON says things one way and turns around and acts in diametric opposition to what he just said.
That is the key part that Dr Serge Bayongen is missing from the equation.
The proof is in the pudding as they say.
SERGE BAYONGEN - Please pay very CLOSE attention. In yesteryears, you had very respectable FANG-BETI-BULU
not limited to Abel Eyinga, Andre Fouda, Charles Assale, Chief Charles Ntsama Atangana, and so on. Today you have Enoh
Meyomesse in jail. NOBODY is making a WHOLESALE condemnation of ALL Fang-Beti-Bulu. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that, my friend? Why? During the 1960s and 1970s it was Ahidjo with NORDISTES, and now in the 1980s, 1990s, 2000's and beyond it is Paul Biya with the Centre-Sudistes FANG-BETI-BULU. Are we clear on that???? SPEAK To Garga Haman Adji and let him tell you why he resigned from Gov't. Are you aware of what then Chancellor Joseph Owona did at the University of Yaounde? Look at what this opportunistic tribal puppets of Fame Ndongo and Belinga Eboutou are doing.
Blessed Be Cameroon
Pa Fru Ndeh
Pa Fru Ndeh
From: "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron nyangkweagien@gmail.com [cameroon_politics]" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
To: cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Succession de Paul Biya: BETI, BASSA & SAWA disqualifies
Docta Serge Bayonguen really in a class of his own
Massa Alex Azebaze answer. Dis one dong pass me
On 4/2/15, Serge Banyongen sergebanyongen@yahoo.com
[cameroon_politics] <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Pa Fru, Alex and elder Nouk,
>
> It is a pity that we have to come back over and over again on this topic
> without you willing to open your mind and learn a little bit (even from
> people that are less smarter than you). People that for no choice of there
> one were born from the same ethnic group as mr. Biya can't be held
> accountable only because they are from its region. They are people
> participating with him to loot the country some are from his region others
> are from others regions. There are many PAWCEE, Bassa and Bamilekes ruling
> the country with and for Mr. Biya. MEON is right when he said it is not the
> origin of the person that matter rather it is his/her skills, morality and
> ability to lead the country in the right direction. The person need to be
> judge according to his/her actions rather than the ethnical background.Now
> Alex, the problem we have is not what Mr. Ali said. It is how people like
> you transform it on the purpose of victimisation and instrumentalisation.
> First of all, Ahmadou Ali did not point only one ethnical group he also said
> that he and his fellow comrades from the northern will not tolerate someone
> else from the Beti ethnicity. You never pointed that out. That said what is
> criminal in your behavior is that as a veteran of political affairs in
> Cameroon, you truly know that Mr. Ahmadou Ali has no what so ever any
> political weight. What he said or think doesn't matter at all. The man has
> never been elected. The ONLY reason he is a minister giving his background
> and record is because he is Mr. Biya friend. Once the current president will
> be gone, he can't survive. So if he goes on bragging to American telling
> them a charade, You AGA should be the first person to laugh and righteously
> question his political weight. Even as a Northern Cameroonian Elite, you
> know how divided they are. The Media is regularly reporting the dissensions
> between those northern elites. Why Alex, why did you gave credit to his
> speech if you did not have a clear intention of manipulation? Even Ahmadou
> Ahidjo who created all the ministers during his 22 years of reign couldn't
> convince northern and muslims ministers to resign. What make you think
> Ahmadou Ali will succeed? Come on Alex, you can be smarter than that.
>
>
>
>
> Le Jeudi 2 avril 2015 9h47, "Pa Fru Ndeh PaFruNdeh@YAHOO.COM
> [cameroon_politics]" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
>
>
> Mr Aaron Agien Nyangkwe,
> This MEON gentleman puzzles me.I believe that genuinely as an individual he
> means good.But the people he interacts with probably on a daily basis, areof
> the far extreme right wing, with their tribalistic instincts.He probably
> more often in his privacy does all he can to bringthem to the center, but
> routinely is unsuccessful, privately.Many Pahouin are known for their
> "Beti-Arrogance" especiallywhen they are crassly ignorant. I have seen
> Celestin Bedzigui hererepeatedly demonstrate that type of ignominy.
> As you rightly said ...Paul Biya NEVER ran for any election prior to being
> appointedSecretary General at Ahidjo's Presidency. Paul Biya is
> thereforeclueless when it comes to grassroots militancy. That is the
> reasonwhy he is far out of touch with the reality of Cameroonian hoi
> polloi.What skill set does he Paul Biya have that makes him
> indispensible???Lord Have Mercy on us. My goodness. We replace American
> Presidentsevery 4 years. What more of the banana Cameroon Republic.
> Vraiment ......
> And then you have opportunistic tribal puppets like Martin Belinga
> Eboutouand Fameux Ndongo causing problems all over the place.
> Blessed Be Cameroon
> Pa Fru Ndeh
> From: "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron nyangkweagien@gmail.com
> [cameroon_politics]" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
> To: cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Succession de Paul Biya: BETI, BASSA &
> SAWA disqualifies
>
> Mathias Eric
> So you have the time to write "The president's ethnic identity does
> not worth as much as his moral substance , his technical skills and
> his political ability or his strategic sense"
>
> I thought that when I listened to you on Afrique Media last in the
> company of the venerable Mbog Bassong and others, I thought that you
> had better things under your sleeves? You came up very on-the-point in
> your confrontation with the very opportunistic but in the dullest
> ,anner, Charlemagne Messanga Nyamdig on Canal 2 last sunday.
>
> BIYA HAS FAILED TO LEAD AND DELIVER PROPERLY BECAUSE HE HAD NO
> MILITANT EXPERIENCE. THAT IS WHY HE IS SURROUNDING HIMSELF WITH HIS
> TRIBESMEN SINCE HE UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY WILL SHIELD HIS FLAGRANT
> INEPTITUDE Not because thy believe so much in him but because he has
> enabled them to loot and become les nouveaux billionnaires
>
> You talk of skills? Come on! That this old man has succeeded to put in
> place a system that permit mostly his tribesmen and a pocket of
> enrolled outsiders to loot the country dry is being skilled
>
> You amaze me at rtime
>
> Agien Nyangkwe
>
> On 4/2/15, Pa Fru Ndeh PaFruNdeh@YAHOO.COM [cameroon_politics]
> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> Oh Really????After 30+ years of ruling Cameroon, why is the person who is
>> fit to write anepistle about all those years only Martin Belinga Eboutou,
>> another Bulu man?Is Belinga Eboutou a writer? What has Belinga Eboutou
>> ever
>> written before?
>> Ahidjo passed the baton of power to Biya because he could speak English
>> andalso because after coming back from France in 1961 it took him (Biya)
>> a
>> longtime to go to his village. He was perceived as non-tribalistic. The
>> coup d'etatof 1984 brought out the leopard's spots. The unfortunate
>> reality
>> is that the incumbent President has been inherently tribalistic and
>> plastically opportunisticon pitting same tribe versus same tribe.
>> The next President of Cameroon shall be a PAAWCE.It would be nice if all
>> the
>> PAHOUIN - Fang-Beti-Bulu - to pass this message to their brother
>> President.
>> Lembe-Yezoum can pass the message in their inner coterie. Blessed Be
>> Cameroon
>> Pa Fru Ndeh
>> From: "Mathias-Eric Owona Nguini owonanguini@yahoo.fr
>> [cameroon_politics]" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com"
>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 8:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Succession de Paul Biya: BETI, BASSA &
>> SAWA disqualifies
>>
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>>
>> Please Fru Ndeh,stop, with your ethnocentric bias.The president's ethnic
>> identity does not worth as much as his moral substance , his technical
>> skills and his political ability or his strategic sense.Do not have a
>> fetichist and chauvinic view of the situation.
>> De : "Pa Fru Ndeh PaFruNdeh@YAHOO.COM [cameroon_politics]"
>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>> À : "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com"
>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> Envoyé le : Mercredi 1 avril 2015 14h47
>> Objet : Re: [cameroon_politics] Succession de Paul Biya: BETI, BASSA &
>> SAWA
>> disqualifies
>>
>>
>>
>> Alain Anyouzoa Njimoluh,
>> You know when many commentators who pass for journalists in the private
>> press kept on writing and writing many years ago about Marafa Hamidou
>> Yaya,
>> Atangana Mebaraand then later on Rene Sadi, I kept on shouting from outta
>> here in Washington DC tothose who could hear me out, that, these
>> commentators/journalists were totally off the mark.Not only were they off
>> the mark, they were also helping in DISTRACTING the masses.FEW PEOPLE,
>> just
>> a few, one of them being Goni Waday probably understood what I meant.
>> Atangana Mebara was just an SG @ the PRC. And he was/is BETI of the
>> Mvog-Atangana-Mballaclan but more on the Ada side. He had some power
>> over
>> there but somehow misused it. He wasnot a contender for the position of
>> the
>> PRC even as a so-called brutus, contrary to the noise makingtabloid press
>> in
>> Cameroon.
>> Rene Sadi of YOKO because of his position in taking over from Le Pape de
>> l'Est as SG of RDPC resultedin some hissing noises by commentators. That
>> noise went on for a very long time. But he was abad SG, really bad SG
>> for
>> RDPC and I had seen his removal long time ago. I'd even written about
>> it.I
>> was only surprized by the time it came. Paul Biya has no respect for the
>> man's IQ. Its that simple.He had been working at the PRC since 1985 at
>> least.
>> Marafa Hamidou Yaya of Garoua has been a serious contender by and for
>> himself. But that was never boundto go anywhere. Bonivan had been sent
>> behind him to fish him out. And fish him out Bonivan did.Marafa was just
>> an
>> unknown entity prior to 1990. He is the type that is accurately referred
>> to
>> as "les creatures de Biya".
>> Per Ahmadou Ali's utterances regarding the Bamileke group. When the
>> Senate
>> was coming up, I thoughtthe Sultan of Foumban was going to be made
>> President
>> of the Senate. But he was not. Still, the Presidentof the Senate went
>> to
>> the Western Province, Niat Njifenji. Geo-strategically speaking, that
>> was
>> the wisething to do. And it was done.
>> The Bamileke group as is already a well known fact are the economic
>> engine
>> of the nation state of Cameroon.That is the reason why Ahmadou Ali said
>> what
>> he said. And Ahmadou Ali said so in all SINCERITY.He is on point.
>> Blessed Be Cameroon
>> Pa Fru Ndeh
>>
>>
>> From: "Pa Fru Ndeh PaFruNdeh@YAHOO.COM [cameroon_politics]"
>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com"
>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Succession de Paul Biya: BETI, BASSA &
>> SAWA disqualifies
>>
>>
>>
>> HaHa Bro,
>> Let me get back to you later on that one.It is 7:13am and readying myself
>> for MBENGUE NJOCKMASSI.
>> Blessed Be Cameroon
>> Pa Fru Ndeh
>> From: "Alain Anyouzoa anyouzoa_njimoluh@hotmail.com
>> [cameroon_politics]" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:48 PM
>> Subject: RE: [cameroon_politics] Succession de Paul Biya: BETI, BASSA &
>> SAWA disqualifies
>>
>>
>>
>> Why would Ahmadou Ali be right in this context?Are the Bamilekes less
>> Cameroonian than you or Ahmadou Ali, brother? From:
>> cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com]
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 5:24 PM
>> To: cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Succession de Paul Biya: BETI, BASSA &
>> SAWA
>> disqualifies MEON, Well if the purpose of the article was just to
>> elicit
>> a conversation, then that is okay.The only thing I believe in per the
>> headline is that a BETI cannot be President after Paul Biya.BASSA and
>> SAWA
>> can be.Ahmadou Ali had said a Bamileke cananot be President after Paul
>> Biya.Somehow, I believe what Ahmadou Ali said to be true. Blessed Be
>> Cameroon
>> Pa Fru Ndeh From: "Mathias-Eric Owona Nguini owonanguini@yahoo.fr
>> [cameroon_politics]" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com"
>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 5:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Succession de Paul Biya: BETI, BASSA &
>> SAWA
>> disqualifies Si tu crois à de tels bobards,c'est que tu as un problème
>> cher Fru Ndeh!!!! De : "Pa Fru Ndeh PaFruNdeh@YAHOO.COM
>> [cameroon_politics]" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>> À : Cameroon Politics <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>> Envoyé le : Lundi 30 mars 2015 15h15
>> Objet : [cameroon_politics] Succession de Paul Biya: BETI, BASSA & SAWA
>> disqualifies La Nouvelle Presse Blessed Be Cameroon
>> Pa Fru Ndeh
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