I think one of the reasons of IITians taking up some careers other than engineering field is our
obsession with degrees, tags and not with skills and aptitude. We are in awe of all these IIMs and IITs
for one big reason i.e. chances of getting a secure life and great future. Once a student joins any
IIT, she/he thinks his life is secured and now he/she can afford to pursue something that interest
him/her actually. This I think is the root cause of the problem. Govt. should do something that a
student at the start pursues his/her area of interest. And subsidies of any kind should only be given
if candidate is actually interested in a particular field. Though, it is extremly difficult but not
impossible. We can look to China for this
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 12:38:08 +0530 "Virendra Goel"
> As far as human values are concerned , it has nothing to do with education level of parents and the
society. I feel that people in remote areas are more scrupulous hence we have less problems as far as
value education is concerned.As far as involvement of parents is concerned, I have not been a part of a
school in remote hilly village but I have been part of a school where majority of students are from
farming community and another school where students are children of auto rickshaw drivers, fruit and
vegetable vendors, clerks, small kiosk owners etc. In both the cases whenever I have invited parents to
school, they have turned up in a big way and we have been able to establish a bond of mutual respect
and confidence. Though parents cannot help in academic growth of the child but otherwise they try to
follow the advise/instructions given to them about their child's activity and behavior at home.Now
coming back to your experience in Uttarakhand, I would like to draw inspiration from my own childhood.
I was born in a village with no electricity, water or roads. We had a primary school and our teacher
there would spend almost two hours every evening going from house to house and establishing a personal
bond with each member of the family. He never invited the parents to the school but he was able to
ensure seamless communication with the parents, earn their respect and we would virtually worship him
like GOD. His only message to us was 'Don't let me down' and we never did. I wonder if this story can
be of any help to you in your endeavors.RegardsVirendra GoelFrom: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
[mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Usha Gowri
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:24 AM
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] [Thought Provoking] Dear Smriti Irani, stop giving my money to IITians:
Jeswanth Padooru@Goel jiI know you have worked at the grass root level and hence when you write 'family
has a role' I was left wondering what it meant.I would think at a very conservative estimate 60-80
percent of the children in schools are from towns or villages or absolute no mans land in India.I
understood the last kind of school when I went to Uttarakhand and saw schools int eh mountains-probably
in places where only a goat could have gone.What and how can a parent in this kind of a school
contribute to the development of a child's education? for one,as a starting point,our curriculum is
just made for a mockery of people. For starters,a kid who wills ee his street where he lives,probably
the shanty in his town and nothing beyond learns about Delhi and the Mughals.I could go on till the
cows come home but I wills top here.Having worked with Head teachers from these schools and having
visited them many times,I can tell you why and how parents wont-cant come to school.If they do they
don't understand a word of what the teacher means when she says 'your kid is doing badly'-reaction to
it-take the kid off school and send them to work.Unless we work towards getting the aprent involved and
it just so important we do it for the whole school development to happen.My question is: how can we as
academicians address and sort all these huge gaping holes in our education system?GPresident, CORE
Foundationwww.corefoundation.orgPresident,ChilumeMentor—MTC Global Student
Chapterhttps://www.facebook.com/TheChubbyUnicorn/app_117784394919914You're never given a dream without
also being given the power to make it true.
~Richard Bach"The world is full of abundance and opportunity, but far too many people come to the
fountain of life with a sieve instead of a tank car... a teaspoon instead of a steam shovel. They
expect little and as a result they get little." ~ Ben Sweetland On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:25 PM,
Virendra Goel
imparted value education. I believe it is the responsibility of the family and the society to give
value education to a child from the day he/she starts identifying things. Total social environment and
majority of family environment goes against the human values. With my firsthand experience of 30 years
of investing 4000 minutes every year continuously for 14 years in a well-structured program of value
education there were very few that too mostly girls who carried these values further in their higher
education and in their life. I how many of us in this group have or are investing some time in
imparting value education to their children and also practice the same.RegardsVirendra GoelFrom:
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Subject: Re: [MTC Global] [Thought Provoking] Dear Smriti Irani, stop giving my money to IITians:
Jeswanth PadooruOur country must build more and more flagship institutions to help preserve the rich
culture of the country, and institutions in modern management and technology to provide excellent
knowledge and skills to the youth of the country who in large numbers, no doubt, will work elsewhere
.The brain drain problem. But as a country if we were successful in inculcating values and patriotic
fervor among them, they would have by all means helped their country to grow and in fact been a part of
crafting her success. Some of the best products who left the country and after reaching a big level of
success in the Western countries, tend to forget the richness of our country and about her
contributions in shaping his or her destiny.Some of them have become thankless, and they pity that they
were born in this great country. What a tragedy? So, our system of education has somewhere failed
miserably in imparting value education whereas we have all the internal strengths to teach the Indian
values to our students which would put them in good stead and enable them to reciprocate in the same
spirit the country did to them when they enjoyed the most privileged type of education when millions
were denied these opportunities. The parents must make it a point to teach our children values of life
and about the cultural heritage of our country. Traditional families have been good at it.Its time to
ask those beneficiaries of higher education in India to think of their motherland and do their best to
make India technologically strong.Let them come back to India and work for at least five years to teach
young Indians about modern management and technological practices and kick start new enterprises in
different sectors of the economy. Indeed, now, India is a land of opportunities like any other advanced
country.India is a great place to live, with peace, honour and self respect. This message has to reach
those who had left our shores.On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:27 AM, kiran paranjpe
institutions of excellence.
The IITs have been set up for exactly that purpose. It is not the student who should be
forced to contribute even at the risk of a career. The IITs must be evaluated for
achieving the extent of the intended purpose. To produce world class engineers is only
one among the purposes. Another purpose is to set the standard of achievement for other
engineering colleges and a third purpose is to produce world class research and world
class researchers and teachers as also create an environment for entrepreneurial
ventures.
I am sure that the MHRD is doing this evaluation after assessing the goals attained by
the IITs. If funds are granted on this basis then it as it should be.
There are many other areas where good public money is squandered purely on emotional, and
political issues. We are all aware of the effects of nurturing vote banks and powerful
lobbies that seek to enrich themselves at public expense. We don't even say them for fear
of strong reactions of the interest groups. There ought to be transparancy in assessment
and fairness in providing funds.
Best Regards,
K.Paranjpe
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 15:11:47 +0530 Surender Reddy Geedipalli wrote
>Dear MTCians,
I am equally wary of tax payers money going into the pockets of politicians and
unscrupulous businessmen. A lot of public money is also being siphoned off by private
engineering colleges by way of student scholarships provided by state governments.
If Mr. Jeswanth Padooru';s logic is extended to every field, GOI should not do anything.
Regards,Prof. G. Surender ReddyDirector, EDC, SNIST, Hyderabad
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Dr.K.S.Chandrasekar wrote:
I sill feel it is the same with respect to Medical education in our country where the
student is subsidized heavily but in turn the services to the society is a pittance. The
government need to look into other streams like Social sciences, Arts and Humanities
where the subsidy needs to be transferred. Now with self financing stream catching up in
higher education including technology and medicine, MHRD now needs to concentrate on
primary and secondary education and bring more qualified 10+2 students to the Arts,
Humanities and Social science stream with scholarships. Every student who is in the top
10% percentile of the board be given free education in these streams to ensure there is
life beyond Engineering and Medicine. We are note here to subsidise eduction for the
benefit of MNCs and big corporates. As what the government now says, " Rich should shun
the subsidy for the gas cylinder", the same comes for every thing else....--
>
Thanking
you
With warm regards
Sincerely yours
പ്രൊഫ്. കെ.എസ്.ചന്ദ്രശേഖർDr.K.S.Chandrasekar B.Pharm(Hons), MBA, Ph.D. (Mgmt),
D.Univ, CPET (ISB), MIMA
Professor and Director
School of Business Management and Legal studies
University of Kerala(കേരള സർവകലാശ)ല), Kariyavattom
Thiruvananthapuram 695581
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Muralidhar Prasad wrote:
Dear Professor,
You are absolutely right in your analysis and your claim as well put up.
But let me also know from your analysis , whether a common man or a tax payers analysis
stand before the IITans lobby
RegardsOn Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Prof. Bholanath Dutta wrote:
Dear Smriti Irani, stop giving my money to IITians: Jeswanth PadooruDear Smt Smriti
Iraniji,
At the drop of a hat, every government, including yours, says that subsidies are bad for
the economy and should be done away with.
Many of the subsidies in your ministry are going to those who don';t deserve it. IITians
are the most guilty of this pilferage. To make things worse, they hardly do anything for
the country. Best-selling fiction is not known to help farmers.
1) To begin with, this is what they cost us
While it takes over Rs 3.4 lakh to educate an IITian per year, the student pays only Rs
90,000 per year. The rest is borne by the government. That is close to Rs 2.5 lakh per
student per year, which is being paid by the tax payer. If one extrapolates this to all
the 39,540 students in the Indian Institute of Technologies, the cost borne by the tax
payer on educating IITians extends to 988.5 crore annually.
According to budget estimates, Rs 1703.85 crore is to be allocated to the IITs for 2015-
';16.
2) What do we get in return for the Rs 1,700 crore we spend on them?
Inspite of producing 9,885 world-class engineers in computer science, electrical,
electronic, chemical, mechanical, production fields every year...
a) The Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle, though successful with the Russian
Cryogenic Engine, has time and again failed with the indigenous cryogenic engine. We have
succeeded only once with our indigenous cryogenic rocket.
b) Indigenous submarines are still a distant dream because of the technological
complexity in building them. Though many projects are coming up in our own shipyards,
they are happening because we are merely manufacturing them in India with foreign
technology.
c) The indigenous Indian Small Arms System rifles for our army, developed by the Defence
Research and Development Organisation, have always been reported as problematic, and we
import assault rifles from Israel.
Why could our world-class engineers, who are educated with tax payers'; money, not have
built them?
3) This is what our top IITians gave a miss
A Right to Information application that was filed recently has shown that less than 2% of
engineers at the Indian Space Research Organisation are from IITs and the National
Institutes of Technology. Our best space programme doesn';t get our best engineers every
year.
The army doesn';t get engineers and officers from the IITs. Between 1986 and 2006, not a
single IITian has joined the Indian army.
The DRDO has a shortage of more than 2,700 scientists, and it is stretched and
overworked, but our world-class engineers don';t find it challenging.
4) If an IITian wants to run an online shop, then why do I, a taxpayer, have to pay for
his chemical engineering degree?
Going by 2013 figures, Flipkart, the online mega-store, recruited seven students from IIT
Madras in 2013.
One can understand the logic behind Flipkart hiring a computer science engineer. But six
of the hires had studiedaerospace, chemical, metallurgy, bio-technology and engineering
physics. What specialist knowledge will they bring toFlipkart?
These students do not have any interest in what they learnt in their four-year
undergraduate programme, and want to erase their history by moving to a different field.
5) Why did I pay for Chetan Bhagat';s mechanical engineering degree?
I have nothing against Chetan Bhagat, but I do know that Indian taxpayers paid to make
him a mechanical engineer. He has done everything but engineering.
Another RTI filed with IIM Bangalore has revealed that out of the current batch of 406
students, 97 students are from IITs. Fifty-six of these are students with less than two
years work experience.
If all these engineers wanted to be was managers, why does the tax payer need to pay for
their engineering education at the IITs?
6) Get a loan, why seek a subsidy?
All students from IITs can get collateral-free loans from nationalised banks for upto Rs
20 Lakh.
And IITians are obviously so awesome that companies are eager to pay them crores of
rupees.
Then why should a world-class engineer who makes crores of rupees and adds no value to
India be given a subsidised education at the IITs? Can';t they get educated with a bank
loan of their own and repay it after getting their huge salaries?
7) Remittances help forex? Nope, not really.
Whenever there is a debate on brain drain from the IITs, the remittances issue pops up.
Many believe that IITians who go abroad send back remittances and contribute to foreign
exchange reserves. However, it is a pittance for India.
A report in theEconomic Timesshows that out of the total remittances of $70 billion to
India, the remittances from IITians who go to developed countries is much lower than the
remittances from the Middle East to the state of Kerala.
Most of the Malayalis in the Gulf are blue-collar workers, not IIT engineers.So, why should the common
man subsidise an IITian';s college fees?Best Regards,Educate,
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