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Sunday, December 27, 2015

Re: [MTC Global] IITs failed 63 students in 2014-15, 57 from reserved category

Effective teacher is one who struggles for medicore students to bring them up to a certain high level, bench mark. The teacher cannot be said effective simply because s/he just happens to be in a reputed institute where students of higher calibre are admitted who do not need almost no assistance or less guidance.

I used to regularly visit the hostel, at least 3 days/week at night for 2-3 hours  to help assist the students that had given a big dividend, rank-holders  in university exam, good placement, high passing results, etc. This is the case when I was in the Govt College of Engineering, Karad, a Taluka rural place with about 60000 population.

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From: "kiran paranjpe"
Sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:38:28
To: googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] IITs failed 63 students in 2014-15, 57 from reserved category
Dear Sir, I agree with Goel Sir that reservation by itself is not a bad thing. In fact,
it has never tarnished the reputation of any institute while providing opportunities to
the disadvantaged to improve and achieve excellence. There are several strategies that
can make the campus experience more inclusive.
Firstly, The institutes have to encourage students not just from the reserved lot but
also from even the more endowed students to attend these supplementary and supportive
courses that will raise the minimum standard of every one attending them.
Secondly, in campuses like the IITs a lot of learning actually takes place in the hostels
in an informal environment, so the disadvantaged students may be encouraged to find a
"friendly student teacher" to assist and coach the weaker students. I have found that
students genuinely interested in learning will find these student teachers naturally. An
intervention by the institute to actually identify and train them would help not only the
weaker students but also the 'student teachers"
Thirdly, career guidance, participation in extra curricular projects and activities will
actually breathe a level of confidence that the weaker students will discover for
themselves that they are second to none.
Fourthly, and this is important, there should not be any dilution of the standards either
with the level of difficulty of the question paper or with the assessment of answer
sheets. This will ensure that the students who pass out from the Institute are at the
same level of attainment.
I do believe that a student may fail not for his proficiency but for his poorly formed
attitudes.
Best regards,
K.Paranjpe

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:44:39 +0530 Kuldeep Nagi <kuldeepn@hotmail.com> wrote
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Failing a student is also an indication of the failure of the faculty and the institutes.
Unfortunately, most professors in our universities do not think they are there to help
those who are struggling. In IITs the smart students do not need any help from the
professors, they usually take care of themselves. It is those who are struggling sometime
go to the extremes of committing suicide.
One of the problems of higher education in India is that professors do not take any
responsibility for the failure of students. They are not held accountable for poor
performance of their students.There is a need to provide additional support and services
to such students in a timely fashion. Appropriate counselling,tutoring and mentoring of
students who are lagging behindcanyieldbetter results.Unfortunately, in most universities
there is no intervention of any sort to deal with poor performing students. Above all,
professors and their institutes need some sort of soulsearching; theyshould recognize
poor performance of their students as their own failings. Whathappenedto all that great
Guru? Cheers.
Kuldeep Nagi, PhD
Bangkok, Thailand
66-846374466


Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:52:28 +0530
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] IITs failed 63 students in 2014-15, 57 from reserved category
From: dmmarathe@gmail.com
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com

Dear AllGood Morning.No faculty or Institute ever fails a student. Student does not get
minimum passing marks because of his own performance.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Usha Gowri <usha.gowri@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree Goelji but what is alarming is the huge chasm between those who can and cant.This
divide starts by the third standard .The exposure ,the push to know more,the many other
skills in the advantages community is enormous.With scare resources getting scarcer,
institutions will be forced to hand hold the best and the rest of them hanging at the
edge will fall off .Therefore revisiting reservation is important.So we are not into
contributing to cliched thinking and reinforcing certain prejudices.
"If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.How people treat
you is their karma; how you react is yours.When you judge another, you do not define
them, you define yourself"~Wayne Dyer

"The world is full of abundance and opportunity, but far too many people come to the
fountain of life with a sieve instead of a tank car... a teaspoon instead of a steam
shovel. They expect little and as a result they get little." ~ Ben Sweetland




On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Virendra Goel <goel.virendra@gmail.com> wrote:
Reservations should go alright but to me challenge before the institutions today is that
now when these students have been admitted how to bring them to desired level of
proficiency. Teaching bright students is no big task. I treat indifference of the
institutions towards this students as the cause.RegardsVirendra goelFrom:
join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Usha Gowri
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:53 AM
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] IITs failed 63 students in 2014-15, 57 from reserved
categoryReservations should go.It has not served its purpose which is to help the BPL
come up.So everything has been provided and now we know that that is no cure.The rich
among the reserved categories enjoy all the benefits-I know of a girl who came to college
in her own car and took Rs 400 scholarship regularly!!Second, since other categories also
failed,thankfully,the process of selection itself need to be looked at.Third:I am truly
happy they are packing off students-world class universities dont allow languishing. The
resources are of this countries tax payers hard earned monies.More people should hear
about this-they will then make a wise choice instead of living in cloud nineG"If you
change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.
How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours.
When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself"
~Wayne Dyer"The world is full of abundance and opportunity, but far too many people come
to the fountain of life with a sieve instead of a tank car... a teaspoon instead of a
steam shovel. They expect little and as a result they get little." ~ Ben Sweetland

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Prof. Bholanath Dutta <bnath.dutta@gmail.com>
wrote:Fiftyfive of the 63 students who failed to secure the prescribed minimum grade in
six IITs during 2014-15 session belonged to the reserved category, Lok Sabha was informed
today.

"The IITs have a rigorous academic system that prescribes minimum grades to be obtained
by the students for continuation in the IIT system. During the year 2014-15, a total of
63 students in undergraduate courses have failed to secure the prescribed minimum grade
in 6 IITs," Union HRD Minister Smriti Irani said in a written reply.

Out of the failed students 8 were from General category, 9 from OBC, 16 and 30 from
Scheduled Caste (SC) and Scheduled Tribe (ST) category respectively. The OBCs, SC and ST
students constituted a whopping 87.3 per cent of those who failed to make the cut.

The minister's response came to a question about how many students had been expelled from
prestigious Indian Institutes of Technology on the ground of their performance.

In an unprecedented action by any IIT, the institute at Roorkee had in July this year
expelled 73 students whose performance was not up to the mark after their first-year
BTech programme.

A group of 64 students had moved Uttarkhand High Court against the decision, but the
court had upheld the institute's decision.

However, the institute reinstated the students in August this year as a "one-time
measure" and said they will be on an academic probation throughout the year and have been
re-admitted on strict conditions.

"The IIT Council has discussed the matter and implemented a system called Peer group
Assisted Learning (PAL) to handhold students who are socially and educationally
backward," she added.​[Source: Financial Express, 21.12.2015]​-- EDUCATE, EMPOWER,
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