Re: [MTC Global] Save the IIMs: Forcing top tier institutions to reserve faculty jobs will hurt higher education

Dear fellow citizens,

Both politicians and academicians are part of society. They are equally responsible for the reason we are till discussing about the reservations because  they converted the education as a business rather than a service.  Most of private schools run by politicians and academicians.

But fortunately there are discriminations, politics and  lack of team spirit in the academic institutions itself.  

 Compared to Politicians, the good academicians could bring more changes among the society without discriminations.

As good academician we will try to provide good education system at primary and secondary schools which will help to gain fundamentals and skills because If the foundation of the candidate is strong, he or she can cope nationally or internationally.

Courts say to follow the Right to education act, but most of private schools do not want to follow it because their business will effect.

Good idea that reservation can be based on economy. However, for that we must have honest system to measure the economy.

Sometimes, the companies of TATA, Ambani and Adani say that they lost(downed) the revenue.  Such talents will show all documents to show that they are weak economically. Will such idea help to develop Human Development Index(HDI) of our nation?

Regards

Srinivasan M

On Saturday, October 1, 2016 4:23 PM, Gangadhar Banerjee <gangadhar.banerjee@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

1. As per the constitution reservation was for 10 years. After that it is to be reviewed.But politicians continued for their own vote banks.

2. The deserving candidates are not getting reservations.

3. The candidates selected under quota system are in most cases unable to cope with the generals. As reported in News paper specially for higher educations( IITs, IIMs, IIITs, NITs, Medicals  etc).

4. The quota has spoiled the entire economy. The meritorious students are deprived of. It is detrimental to the society and there will be brain drain.A day will come when the economy will collapse.

5. If at all ther is reservation, it should be on economic criteria. A day will come when other than reserved category will seek the justice in the court of law or they will fight and come to the street. Enough is enough. There is a limit. Reservation makes basemet weak and building strong, There may be fall at any time. I experienced in my service in industry sector and academic line. This is the right time to stop all such nonsence. A compresensive note may be put up to the appropriate atority in this regard.

6. Political parties are making foul play with reservation card. All should come forward and do the justice to the society.

this is my personal view and does not necessarily refect the view of MTC.

best regards

Dr Gangadhar Banerjee, Researcher,Ph.D Guide and Advocate

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 7:19 AM, D P Kothari <dpkvits@gmail.com> wrote:

Main problem in many pvt colleges r in the era of 7 th pay comission teachers r getting 4th pay commission pay scales ie about 15 k per month.you cant expect any quality from such lowly paid teachers.
I hope all know the story of girrl vs girl story
Regards
Kothari

On Sep 28, 2016 3:34 PM, "'Srinivasan M' via Management Teachers Consortium, Global" <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear MTCians,

Before we talk about the reservation and quality in the education or employment at any level of organizations, it will be better if we talk about the equality and quality in our indian education system.

There is a famous comedy in a movie that "The building is strong, but the basement is weak."

 What we are discussing is about the building, but what about the basement?.

We all talk about the quality of education in the developed nations, but we are trying to keep away from the primary education system of such nations. As far as my knowledge, the son or daughter of ministers and sweepers are studying in the same school without paying huge fee.

On the other side, as we are living in united India we need to think about uniformity as well. In many ways, our education system, particularly at primary and secondary education which decide the future of citizen, has non-uniform.

Do you all agree that infrastructure, teachers' performance, attitudes of both teachers and students of private and goverment schools particularly primary level are the same?. 

My answer for the above question is "NO."

The same question and answer are applied to the schools in the villages, slums in cities, and non-slum areas of cities.

Are the standard of syllabus of CBSE, ICSE and state board same?.

Again here we are making some inequality in our education systems.

How many students from the villages and slums in the cities are studying in CBSE or ICSE or matriculation schools?

How many students from the goverment schools know about JEE-IIT, NEET and JMAT etc?.

Normally, IITs, IIMs and other premier institutions hire the candidates who studied, atleast one degree, in such premier institutions.

and last, but not least

How many students from the villages and slums have three-time foods?. In this situations, how they can pay INR 30K for 1Lac for LKG admission in pvt schools to get quality primary and secondary education.

 

There are some places where the students from the socially weaker section are not allowed/admitted, directly or indirectly, into the schools.

As everyone have same amount of brain, everyone can be a slumdog milliinaire if everyone get the opportunities.

Since we are acadmicians, it will be better to think how to provide the primary and secondary education equally without any discriminations. If we provide strong basement to everyone, hope everyone one will get opportunities to serve with high quality and quantity in the premier institutions and top public senctors.

With thanks and warm regards

Srinivasan M

On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:20 AM, Stephen Narayanan <stepnrn@gmail.com> wrote:

As most of our dignified luminiaries would agree, politicians use the reservation policy as a tool to further their own seat and power equation. Enforcement of the reservations in Industries can well be seen in the light of the present Government proposing to shut down/phase out nearly 5 of the 15 PSU's: HPCL Biofuels, Elgin Mills, Hindustan Antibiotics, HMT,Central Inland Water Transport Corporation are actively lobbied to be closed while 3 pharma companies and a couple of other Engineering companies are also under scrutiny Why or What has ailed these PSU's to take them to the stage of being disbanded? 

I would attribute it to imposing Heads/Directors from reservations category who had neither knowledge nor vision to take the organization ahead and were just content to draw their pay as do many others in various organizations, Banks & other Government and Semi Government and Quasi Government bodies continue to bleed the company and the economy with their lack of knowledge and functional skills.

Take our Judiciary itself. Due to my exposure to the judicial mechanism and the justice dispensation machinery, I am privy to knowledge that many Judges in Ahmedabad District Court are not even able to speak proper english. Their judgement which comes in Gujarati and translated in English is done by their stenographer who are quite good in their field and the judge just signs the order after having it read in gujarati and finding it to satisfaction. Most of the Judges are all from SC/ST reservation category. We all saw that even CJI's in the past were from reservation catagory. No doubt some were able to work hard and proved themselves but a majority of these quota beneficiaries just relished the dishes of goodies served out to them in a platter by our political landlords.

Reservations in Jobs should discontinued and the reservation classes should be encouraged to join the mainstream on merits giving them benefits of scholarships and subsidies to enable them to be competent and skillful in the field of their choice.

Stephen Narayanan

Freelance Educational Consultant/Corporate Training facilitator

Mob.:-9868386192

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Raveendranath Kaushik <rk.rkaushik@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

I think we need to be clear on Reservation policy. Whole world is looking at India and there is lot of expectation on the growth and development index and if we still fight internally with such type of issues then it is a serious concern where we will heading towards.

Since, reservation is constitutionally gauratneed and our political party exist because of it, 100%  independence from reservation is not possible. Insted, we can think of a plan like the below (purely my suggestion)

Give the option of reservation in either Education or in Employment. Mean to say, a person who claims reservation under Education should not get reservation in Employment and the vice versa.

Then the quality will improve.

regards,

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Jaideepsinh Jetawat <jaideep.jetawat@git.org.in> wrote:

In my opinion,

Reservation,favoritism and corruption are  real hurdles for development of Nation then that of militants today. It has proved more negative then positive for development of India.

It will be  better to give free education to all category i.e to provide resources but Job should be given on merit , skill and knowledge based only. When their was no reservation even though  their were  people from all categories who have given their best to society.

If Reservation will continue than days are not far that those people who feel injustice may  :

Move to other countries like Canada,Us and Australia and serve their instead serving India which is already happening now a day and  many capable people may join militants groups of  Pakistan , Afghanistan or China and spread terrorism.

Actually Reservation is dived and rule policy for some people now a days and which was actually only for 10 years after independence  is carried forward day by day and restricting  growth of country.

Its time to introspect and decide in the interest of country.

Its time to give more priority to Nation than self. 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 5:21 AM, virendra goel <goel.virendra@gmail.com> wrote:

Nothing wrong in providing opportunity to acquire desired level of expertise and proficiency but no faculty recruitment should be made in the higher education without one earning the eligibility based on competence rather than reservation.

Regards

Virendra Goel

 

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Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Save the IIMs: Forcing top tier institutions to reserve faculty jobs will hurt higher education

 

To compromise quality in any sector under any excuse is fatal. It cannot be said, as a general rule, that the faculty appointed under Reserved category quota is of lower quality or faculty appointed under open category is of quality. Let us device a mechanism so that the reserved candidates with lower quality will be put to  training say for 2 years giving them a chance to  improve upon.If such trainees  reach to the bench mark, quality is maintained. we have reached a threshold value of the issue.

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Save the IIMs: Forcing top tier institutions to reserve faculty jobs will hurt higher education

September 26, 2016, 2:00 AM IST TOI Edit in TOI Editorials | Edit Page, India | TOI
 

The quality of a country's human capital determines how well it does. Only India believes it can be an exception. There is no other way to make sense of the government's decision to enforce reservation in faculty jobs in IIMs, after it had ordered IITs and central universities to toe the line. This is not going to help the Narendra Modi government's stated goal of crafting a "regulatory architecture' to create 20 world class teaching and research institutions in India. Enforcing reservations in faculty jobs is a way of concealing governance failure at all levels in education.

There is a crisis in higher education and HRD minister Prakash Javadekar's proposed solution will worsen matters. It should worry the government that the highest ranked Indian institution, IISc Bengaluru, is 147th in the QS World University rankings. Only one other institution, IIT Delhi, is ranked in the top 200. India needs to enhance the quality of its higher education and this can only be done by improving the work environment for faculty and opening it up to competition. Reservations do the very opposite by closing off competition. Moreover, reservations at faculty level are tantamount to an admission that reservations at lower levels have failed in equalising opportunity. If a policy has failed to deliver results, why multiply its applications?

Poor governance at school level and muddleheaded policies in higher education have hurt young people. To foster an environment of job creation, it is critical to produce employable Indians. This should be Javadekar's motto. If at all, the last tier where reservations are permitted should be when students enter college. It is now time to roll back the reservations juggernaut, else caste agitations like the Maratha, Jat and Patel movements are India's future.

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