Re: Kidnapping of Southern Cameroons (Ambazonia) citizens im Mundemba over January plan demonstration.

Latest information says they have been released under pressure from the population

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 6:29 AM, 'pascal kiwopa' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:

How can a hunter first prepare fufu to eat with a squirrel soup when he is still to go and  hunt the squirrel? Understand that this divide of Southern Cameroon WAS BY DESIGN to keep us knocking our heads instead of focusing on the main elephant in the room!! Funny a thing that some of us cannot still see this cheap shot by the La  Republique!! WE ARE ONE UNION AS SOUTHERN CAMEROONIANS.

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> On Jan 2, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Nasako Besingi <nasako.bondoko@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 1/2/17, Julius Acham <achamj07@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is a stale discussion. Focus time and energy on something more
>> fruitful for all.
>>
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>>> VICTOR MENGOT AS A HOT POTATO
>>>
>>> It seems that Victor Mengot has thrown a bomb in our midst through his
>>> very thought-provoking contribution on the North West/South West
>>> divide. Instead of vilifying him, we ought to thank him for
>>> anticipating problems and cracks in the future edifice we are seeking
>>> to build. In other words, he is serving as a free sparring partner in
>>> a match that should enable us sharpen our skills before the real
>>> match. So, we should be thankful to him for this opportunity. If we
>>> can`t stand his heat, how shall we stand that of the real match? The
>>> worst thing we could do is dismiss him outright as being irrelevant as
>>> some of us have done. No, we should thank him!
>>>
>>> On 02/01/2017, Mishe Fon mishefon@yahoo.com [cameroon_politics]
>>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>> This fellow's missive should not come as a surprise as there are many
>>> Victor
>>>> Mengots out there amongst us. S/Cameroonians who are 45 years and
>>>> younger
>>>> (who happen to be in the majority, population-wise) were not privy to
>>>> the
>>>> machinations (if any) of our leaders in Buea. The few history books in
>>>> circulation are very sketchy on the successes or failures of successive
>>>> Anglophone governments. This whole NW vs SW thing is and has been a
>>>> very
>>>> clever manoevre strategically injected into Anglophone discourse  using
>>>> their surrogates (CPDM types, wanna-be potential or former Ministers
>>> etc) to
>>>> foment and keep the ideology alive thereby perpetually sowing seeds of
>>>> distrust and "bad blood" to continue their annexationist and
>>>> subjugation
>>>> agenda.
>>>> I remember reading a newaper article where a certain Ngole Ngole (the
>>>> SW
>>>> version of NW Atanga Nji) when asked by a "planted" CRTV Francophone
>>>> journalist "Quelle est la verite sur l'existence d'un problem tres
>>>> grave
>>>> entre les resortisants du NW et le SW"? In a nutshell, here is what he
>>> said
>>>> (in French):
>>>> "The problem we have in Anglophone Cameroon is that some (most Bamenda
>>>> people) refuse the existence of any such problems BUT I am here to tell
>>> you
>>>> in all truthfulness that we have very serious problems. There are
>>>> ethnological, physical appearance, the way they talk, profound cultural
>>> and
>>>> many other differences as most of you can attest between those from the
>>> NW
>>>> and SW. For example, we Bakossi people have more in common with our Mbo
>>> and
>>>> Nkongsamba people of East Cameroon (we speak almost identical
>>> dialects) than
>>>> with Bafut, Mankon, Mendankwe, Bali, Ndop, Baforchu, Bameta or Banso
>>> people.
>>>> Bakweri people are more attuned to Sawa cultural values than strange
>>>> concepts from the other side. Yes, we have serious problems. I can go
>>>> on
>>> and
>>>> on but you get my point"...dixit Minister Ngole Ngole.
>>>> In reality, the good Minister (an intelligent fellow no doubt) did not
>>>> answer the journalist' question but since he wanted to plant the seeds
>>>> of
>>>> intolerance and hate, he went ahead anyways with that ridiculous
>>>> answer.
>>>> Like most have opined here and correctly so, I am equally of the school
>>> of
>>>> thought that after "the battle is won", we S/Cameroonians must sit down
>>> and
>>>> TALK...a sort of "Truth and Reconciliation" National Conference where
>>>> nothing will be swept under the carpet. Natty pass arrangement.
>>>> For those who remember a portion of our history; the annexation and
>>>> subjugation of Southern Cameroons was hatched and engineered in Paris,
>>>> France and the Hausa man Ahidjo was charged with executing the
>>>> diabolical
>>>> plan.
>>>> In play were three great politicians of timber and caliber (two from
>>>> the
>>> NW)
>>>> PM Ngom Jua and PM Tandeng Muna, PM Endeley from SW and another (NW) VP
>>> John
>>>> Ngu Foncha forced by circumstances hatched yonder, to be a spectator
>>> with a
>>>> moribund useless inconsequential window dressing title of "Vice
>>> President"
>>>> of la Republique.
>>>> Did these gentlemen and all the other politicians of that era, make
>>>> mistakes; you bet they did. Was it because of some "graffi bamendrous"
>>> under
>>>> the table machinations and hegemony or over zealousness and
>>> high-handedness?
>>>> Me I no sabi. I was not there in Buea and my father was a small "Native
>>>> Authority Forest Guard in Ekiliwindi"...no where close to the echelons
>>>> of
>>>> Anglophone "PAWA" politicking.
>>>> If our real history was allowed to be taught correctly by Anglophone
>>> trained
>>>> teachers in Anglophone schools, we would not be having the Mengots
>>> writing
>>>> neeguisse about "The Hidden Agenda of the North Westerners" at this
>>> critical
>>>> moment to poison people's minds when we need serenity and strategic
>>> focus to
>>>> Fight the necessary Fight.
>>>> Ahidjo and his French backers craftily used their trusted confidant, a
>>>> certain Bamoun man called Jean Forchive (the most dreaded Policeman cum
>>>> director of the infamous secret police called CENER) to plant the seeds
>>> of
>>>> discord between politicians of Southern Cameroons extraction. This led
>>>> to
>>>> very strong rivalry and suspicions amongst all Ministers from both the
>>>> NW
>>>> and SW that eventually culminated in the epic well documented
>>> battle between
>>>> Ngom Jua and Tandeng Muna. History will recall that Jua lost that
>>>> battle
>>> to
>>>> Muna just like France and Ahidjo wanted. That was the end and gradual
>>>> descent into political limbo of the very charismatic no-nonsense
>>> Augustine
>>>> Ngom Jua and subsequently the beginning of a tactful
>>>> annexation, disappearance of the Federation and the gradual but
>>>> forceful
>>>> implantation of FRENCH values to Southern Cameroons. It had absolutely
>>>> nothing to do with any invented NW / SW divide. Wna don hia?
>>>> The duel between the two rival brothers; Jua and Muna was of epic
>>>> proportions. It almost resulted in fist fights between the
>>>> protagonists.
>>> The
>>>> issue at stake? The French via their surrogate Ahidjo wanted at all
>>>> cost
>>> to
>>>> dismantle the Federal system agreed on since 1961 but which to them was
>>>> anachronistic to French aims and ambitions in the rich sub-soil of
>>> Southern
>>>> Cameroons.
>>>>
>>>>      From: 'pascal kiwopa' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
>>>> To: ambasbay@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 5:53 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [boba-list] Re: Fwd: THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF THE NORTH
>>>> WESTERNERS!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Stay focused Southern Cameroonian people!! Don't get sidetracked or
>>>> distracted for it is part of the demonic plot!! Set your eyes on the
>>>> trophy!!
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Jan 1, 2017, at 4:15 PM, 'Mukwo Okwo Ntua' via ambasbay
>>>> <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While the subject matter is appropriate, the timing is out of place and
>>> have
>>>> been dealt with in large measure in the AAC draft federal constitution
>>>> presented into the tripartite conference.
>>>> It true that this is a living document and time has moved on with
>>> additional
>>>> enhancements required from all. Suggestions on safe guards to protect
>>>> our
>>>> diversity (minority, indigenous, gender, etc) interests.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On 1 Jan 2017, at 22:44, 'takang ruphous' via ambasbay
>>>> <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Compatriots,
>>>> Mr. Victor Mengot's message is ill-timed and anarchous but is a pointer
>>> to
>>>> what has to happen between us.
>>>> This struggle started as lawyers' and teachers' strikes and has now
>>>> gone
>>>> beyond their particular demands to include the the whole anglophone
>>> problem;
>>>> marginalization and a calculated abandonment of the terms of the union
>>>> by
>>>> successive government regimes. With the federation having failed us and
>>>> décentralisation a huge disappointment and that  has reduced the
>>> Anglophones
>>>> to second class citizens  and at worst cycophants in their own land.
>>> This is
>>>> why separation or secession instead of the 2 state federation, has
>>>> gained
>>>> traction and bold, devoted anglophones, be they from the NW or SW, are
>>>> standing up to make the case. This isn't about who is leading who and
>>> who is
>>>> dominating where.  But as we come together as one SC we should not be
>>>> dismissive of Mr. Victor Mengot's idea that both NW and SW would have
>>>> to
>>> sit
>>>> and discuss the nature and functionality of any prospective
>>>> governmental
>>>> structure for SC. While I admit that it's premature to talk about this,
>>> it's
>>>> not hurtful to think about it and to bring it up. After all,  we have
>>>> all
>>>> smelled domination and marginalization and know it's sconky odor.
>>>> Nonetheless Mr. Mengot injection is troubling because it's timing has
>>>> the
>>>> potential  to sow discord. His reference to the Chiefs Conference and
>>> their
>>>> request for a ten state federation is trivial because the Chiefs both
>>>> in
>>> the
>>>> SW and NW have been a huge disappointment to the people they are
>>> supposed to
>>>> lead. They're more concerned about the salary they are getting from the
>>>> government and have chosen to either be docile or worse still work with
>>> the
>>>> regime to brutalized their own people and subject them to abandon the
>>>> course. Otherwise, let the chiefs and the fons hold their conferences
>>>> now
>>>> and  proclaim their stance and demands to the administration.
>>>> Enjoy your New Year in reflection.
>>>>
>>>> R. Takang
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Emmanuel Chebe<chebengwaemma@yahoo.co.
>>> uk>
>>>> wrote:  At a time when we have a lot at stake, we need to be careful
>>>> with
>>>> voices of people like Victor Megots.  People have been planted or have
>>>> planted themselves to steer up dust and blurred the vision of
>>> Anglophones so
>>>> that this struggle for freedom will fail.  For their information: not
>>> this
>>>> time, not again. It has worked before but not this time.  Am in no way
>>>> minimizing the fact that Anglophones have to sit and also have a frank
>>> talk
>>>> and listen to each other. That notwithstanding, what is at stake is
>>>> something that we can not afford to look at schemes and other
>>>> digressions
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Jan 1, 2017, at 7:25 PM, NDI MANJONG ngahndi@yahoo.com [boba-list]
>>>> <boba-list@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     If Victor Mengot can not say whose opinion from the North West he
>>>> is
>>>> posting, he must himself then be the North Westerner of the said
>>>> opinion.
>>>> What a cowardly approach in the light of the seriousness of the
>>> situation.
>>>> NDI MANJONG
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone
>>>> Début du message transféré :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Expéditeur: "'Victor Mengot' via ManyuVoice" <
>>> manyuvoice@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Date: 1 janvier 2017 à 09:58:48 UTC+1
>>>> Destinataire: Greig Batey <bateygreig20@yahoo.ca>
>>>> Cc: "mincam@yahoogroups.com" <mincam@yahoogroups.com>, ManyuVoice
>>> ManyuVoice
>>>> <manyuvoice@googlegroups.com>, Manyu Meca-mn <meca-mn@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Objet: Rép :⁨ THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF THE NORTH WESTERNERS!!!!⁩
>>>> Répondre à: Victor Mengot <arreymengot@yahoo.fr>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VERY VERY IMPORTANT: THE HIDDEN AGENDA. We all acclaimed the common law
>>>> lawyers and anglophone teachers for the battle to right the wrongs in
>>>> the
>>>> marginalisation of anglophones. However, i am beginnibg to get worried
>>> when
>>>> i hear some northwesterners address the southwesterners as " too slow",
>>>> "weak people", etc. Why should we the people from the north west region
>>> with
>>>> a culture quite at variance with that of the south westerners think
>>>> that
>>>> they must behave like us. Why are we from the north west having such a
>>>> domineering attitude? We have now turned the fight for anglophone
>>>> lawyers
>>>> and teachers to a demand for secesion. The people from the south
>>>> west,following the communique from the chiefs conference are for a ten
>>>> federated states according to the 1996 constitution. With our
>>>> domineering
>>>> attitude and our overwhelming majority we are seemingly looking for a
>>> way to
>>>> rule over the south westerners as the francophones have ruled over us.
>>>> I
>>> as
>>>> a north westerner see this as super greed and wickedness. We have seen
>>> that
>>>> all the prominent trade union leaders are from the north west. This is
>>> not a
>>>> coincidence. It is simply because we want to always dorminate the south
>>>> westerners in every aspect of the word. Why did they abandon the talks?
>>> It
>>>> was because they realised in total consternation that it was a purely
>>> north
>>>> west affair. And in pretencee they claimed they cannot continue with
>>>> the
>>>> talks if their south west brothers are not there. SHAME! SHAME!
>>>>
>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone
>>>> Le 31 déc. 2016 à 21:26, 'Greig Batey' via ManyuVoice
>>>> <manyuvoice@googlegroups.com> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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