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Wednesday, July 26, 2017

Re: REASONING WITH THE FEDERALISTS: DIALOGUE: LRC & Southern Cameroons

Last weekend in Atlanta, Dr. Munzu couldn't bring himself to even call Justice Ayah Paul Abine's name; another federalist who was illegally abducted by Paul Biya's fascist regime.

Any gov't or group of people seeking justice on grounds of injustice will fail. Imagine president Trump putting his attorney general Sessions in jail without trial and even firing him; there'll be a constitutional crisis and calls for his impeachment. The fact that the French ambassador does not see this as an injustice or crisis makes it impossible to dialogue. The same injustice is being called out by Southern Cameroonians by failing to mention the injustice and breach of the constitution to show how rogue the Biya regime is. Justice for Agbor Balla, Niba, BBC Mancho and the rest cannot be bought at the price of injustice for Ayah Paul Abine. Any time any Southern Cameroonian takes the podium without mentioning Ayah Paul Abine, they're phonies and should be shut down.


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On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:44 PM, 'Besongag@aol.com' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Sir, where is your road map to your Federalist success. Infront of your eyes, resources are being exploited, roads not build, airports not opened, businesses not restored, Graduaduates jobless. Where is your future for Southern Cameroon. Is Dr. Munzu negotiating with the regime behind that no one else is aware of it? Did the regime change their stance of one and indivisible Cameroon and no Federalism? Has the regime accepted to release all Southern Cameroonianians in jail without informing the masses? If Martin Luther King, Jr. was intimidated by what was happening or will happen to the African Americans, nothing would have materialized. Same goes for Mandela.
Give the people real hope and be real with this Federalism thing after the Gov't openly declared and refused Federalism from the the Southern Cameroonians still in jail.
< div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">What do you Federalist know including Dr. Munzu that all other Douthern Cameroonians are not aware of. If the regime has negotiated with the Federalists, tell all Southern Cameroonians and then the first step will be to release all those in jail who were advocating for Federalism. Talk without action is empty talk. All roads lead to Rome. If you Federalists succeed, so be it. It is for the betterment of our people that all groups are fighting for.
No talks without proof or action please. Release all in jail to be the first sign from Dr. Munzu towards Federalism.
Either way, the majority of the opponent will endeavor to fight Southern Cameroon either Economically or politically if not physically.
Put your thinking tanks on.
Bring out better solutions, make constructive recommendations, need action from the regime you trust and provide a way forward.
Please no empty talk. Convince the ither side you call separatists with your Federalism actions. Don't deceive the masses.

--Concerned Citizen.

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Subject:Re: REASO NING WITH THE FEDERALISTS: DIALOGUE: LRC & Southern Cameroons

The separatrists can caricaturize the federalists as they like and paint a utopia for themselves but time will tell who is nearer the realisable. They can now pronounce the word 'war' and no more independence signed on a UN table!. Dr Munzu is the best available for a sustainable solution. Follow him! Those who have ears let them hear.


On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 at 4:20 PM, 'Pa Fru Ndeh' via ambasbay
Dear All,

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE .....
We need to do a FINISH LINE run .....  LAST BELLE run .....  ALL TOGETHER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this should be done while the MOMENTUM in the Occupied Territories is still on...
The Movement for the Restoration of the Indepence of the Southern Cameroons, has already outlined
a 100 day program since June.  That can be abbreviated somewhow .....

What do we do in the run up to October 1, 2017?

Worst things will happen to our brothers & sisters as well as the leaders in jail 
should anything like schools start come September.  PLEASE we cannot relent.
We have come too far in the liberation of the Occupied Territories.
 
Blessed Be Southern Cameroons
Pa Fru Ndeh


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Subject: REASONING WITH THE FEDERALISTS: DIALOGUE: LRC & Southern Cameroons

Find for your reading the article entitled: Reasoning with the Federalists.

You will find in it my analysis of what "unconditional dialogue" means in the face of the position of the federalists that restoration can only happen through war.  I have said it over and over that a final confrontation is inevitable. We should confront our people with this, and not shy away from it. But see what it means to call for dialogue, with the dread of war hanging over your head, as federalists say it does. If someone can send this article to Munzu, I will appreciate it.

REASONING WITH THE FEDERALISTS

The federalists, perhaps led by Dr.Munzu, tell us that they want dialogue; that the only way the SouthernCameroons can gain independence is through war, and they are so terrified ofthis prospect that they are forced to dialogue. He says in his reply toTassang: "Theindependence of Southern Cameroons, if it is to be restored, will only berestored by war". And to support his claim of dialogue, he says: "The historyof decolonisation is replete with examples of the coloniser dialoguing with thecolonised to lift the colonial yoke on the latter." Did any dialogue happenbefore the final confrontation? Did any colonial master surrender merelythrough dialogue?
They mistakenly accuse advocates ofindependence of fearing dialogue. This is either a calculated error or ablatant lie. Advocates of independence have never feared or refused dialogue. Theyare the ones who have been calling for dialogue even before the Banjul rulingcalling for constructive dialogue. They only hold that dialogue, to have anymeaning, must occur under certain conditions. Those conditions include the factthat it must hold under international and neutral auspices; that it must includethose liberation movements that took Republique du Cameroun to Banjul, theruling of which called for constructive dialogue ; that all issues must be onthe table; that it must hold on neutral ground and not in any placed controlledby La Republique. The purpose of these demands is clear to every right-thinkingperson. It is to ensure that the dialogue is not a dialogue between master andservant; that it allows both sides to fully present their case; that nointimidation or complicity takes place. All of these things will occur if youhold any dialogue unconditionally, whose terms will be dictated by theoccupier.
The federalists on the other hand, claimthat there should be no preconditions for dialogue and no anticipated outcomeeither. So we should not prejudge the outcome. What magnificent reasoning! He saysin his reply to Tassang: "All that the ADF is advocating is that a national dialogueon the Anglophone problem or crisis should be held, without prescribing theoutcome of the dialogue." "Ihappen to believe staunchly that "this failed union can work" and that we cansit down in a national dialogue and determine how to make it work".
When the federalists say SouthernCameroons can gain independence only through war, what do they mean?
1.     It means that Federalistswill never challenge Republique's pretended sovereignty over the SouthernCameroons; they will never question the illegal occupation; they will neverquestion the ongoing armed robbery. Why? Because they say Republique has a gunto their head and they are afraid of death; because this will be the c ause ofwar, which they dread so much!
2.     It means that the outcomeof the dialogue has already been predetermined, contrary to the claims of Dr.Munzu: it will never lead to independence; independence is excluded as anoutcome.
3.     It will be a dialoguebetween master and servant, since federalists don't impose the same conditionsfor dialogue as nationalists do; therefore inevitably Republique will imposeits terms.
4.     La Republique has beengiven a joker, a nuclear deterrent, that it can always brandish to make thefederalists accept any conditions they impose: war.
5.     Since federalists will benegotiating from a position of impotence and fear of war, there is no reasonfor Republique to concede anything, and no way for the federalists to walk out!Walking o ut amounts to choosing independence, which they say requires war.Whatever Republique presumably gives away, will only be another route to geteverything back later.
6.     If the dialogue will neverlead to independence, it follows that it will never address the fundamentalgrievance of the illegal occupation of the Southern Cameroons by Republique duCameroun. So again, the federalists are telling us that our main grievance willnot be on the agend a of their dialogue.
7.     Dialogue is supposed to bea give and take. In the circumstance of the nuclear deterrent given toRepublique by the federalists (their absolute fear of war), what federalistscall dialogue is simply a camouflage; a pretence, not dialogue at all. Nodialogue can take place under absolute fear or where one party has a gunpointing to the head of the other; where one party is threatening the otherwith war.
8.     It also follows that thefederalists have absolutely no means of making Republique accept any conditionthat is against Republique's interest: thedialogue therefore is simply for the purpose of another surrender to Republiquedu Cameroun! Why surrender?  Becausesince the federalists have told Republique that they are so terrified of theprospect of war that they will not dare Republique, there is absolutely noreason for Republique to compromise. Why should an armed robber give up hisbooty if the owner is so terrified of confronting him that he is prepared torun away at the first gun shot?
9.     It also follows that becauseof the permanent threat of war as a means of cowing down the federalists, thefederalists will be living completely at the m ercy of Republique du Cameroun. Repubiquecan change the rules or reverse them any day it pleases, because it presentssomething the federalists dare not confront: war! War brandished by Republiquedu Cameroun is like the deterrent of an atomic weapon! No one dares face it.Federalists are therefore condemned to live a life of fear, complaints andsubordination, all for the fear of war! They dare not challenge Republique'stheft of our territory; its armed robbery against us! Not only they themselves,but their progeny will also live this life of fear. Why? Because every bornSouthern Cameroonian will sooner or later see his unacceptable conditions oflife.
10.                       I have explained it over and over in my previous writings:there is no one-Cameroon formula, federation or otherwise, in which SouthernCameroonians can fulfil the purpose of human life: be happy. We are dealingwith a game of numbers, not something that can be cured by good laws. For everyone Southern Cameroonian student in class, there will be 30 Francophones; forevery plot a Southern Cameroonian buys, Francophones would have bought 50! Yourculture, language, education and everything will die, irreversibly! SouthernCameroonians, in any one Cameroon, will never have a place they can call theirown! The one-Cameroon formula is a formula for cultural gen ocide, inevitably. TafawaBelawa, Dr. Endeley and many others predicted this, but Foncha and those livingin this illusion said they believed in one Cameroon; it has been hell on earthfor us.
11.                       The federalists want to take us down this road which Fonchahas taken us down before; a road that has never succeeded in Africa! For 56yea rs we have lived a life of torture, brutality and complaints. Many of us donot see the destruction this life causes to the spirit, but it does. Foncha wasa die-hard federalist, like those who speak of federation today, but he died avery dejected person. Why do we not learn from his experience? Why do othersbelieve that their faith in one Cameroon is greater than that of Foncha, whohowever died in frustration? Should we not do better than him? Happiness willnot be produced by faith, but by the laws of nature, which have put these twopeoples apart, not together. The daily and constant frictions are seriouswarnings not to be ignored. It will even be worse if after this struggle, wedescend again to this hell. Many are already living in exile; they will die inexile. Ok. If the federalists refuse to depend on Foncha's experience, why nottake the experience of other attempts at federation in Africa: Burundi-Rwanda,failed; Rhodesia-Nyasaland, failed; Libya-Egypt, failed, Senegambi a, failed;etc.
12.                       Federalists! People leading us into a cultural genocide! Theseare people living in illusions. If, God forbid, we sign any federation withRepublique, we lose every protection that we now have under international law:we can never again quote Res. 1608 (XV); 1514, 1541 or Article 102 of the UNCharter. No one will ever listen to us again!
13.                       Our struggle is not for one year or 50 years or 100 but for alife of freedom in eternity. Are we the first to go to war for freedom? Nearlyevery country on earth had to face the coloniser to be free. Even Africa did.Have the federalists ever asked themselves why other countries were prepared todie fo r freedom? Or don't we know what freedom is? We are going round the worldbegging support, from who? From countries that accepted war so that they couldfree themselves from subjugation and live a life of happiness on their ownterms. If this is the way all peoples must go, why are federalists frighteningus? Federalists should not deceive us with fear to surrender and live a lifethat has no happiness in it. I have never heard the doctrine that we should nowsurrender everything we have to armed robbers because we are too afraid they willkill us. I hear it only from Southern Cameroonians federalists. No matter howweak a true owner is, he will shout to the top of his voice for good neighboursto help him. He never simply surrenders out of fear.
14.                       Let me ask them: if their Republique were attacked and theywere asked to go to war, would they go? Would the federalists go to war forRepublique? It turns out that so-called federalists are simply thoroughlycolonised and brainwashed people: they feel for their Republique, but not fortheir own nation, the Southern Cameroons! The transfer of allegiance, which isthe purpose of the illegal occupation, has been completed with them!
15.                       No federalist has answered this question for me: why shouldthe fate of the Southern Cameroons and La Republique be linked at all? Is itjust out of impotence to challenge the illegal occupation that we are suing forpeace and begging for Republique to tolerate us at any cost? Why will they not saywe are the ones forcing ourselves on them, given the so-called federalists? Wouldthey insist on dialogue if they had the power to take back our territory?
 
16.                       Fear of war is not a virtue; it is cowardice and does notlead to freedom, but servitude! It is said t hat if you want peace, prepare forwar. These are people, including Munzu, who led the Southern Cameroons to theindependence option through the Bamenda Proclamation. Then when the peopleaccept the independence option, they abandoned the people; they backtracked andare now preaching unconditional surrender! Would you call that treachery? Theywould argue that we have not asked the people what they want!!!
17.                       Here is Republique threatening to go to war for somethingthat is not its own. The true owner is so frightened by this threat that hestarts announcing his intention to surrender. Let us therefore ask: whatexactly are federalists prepared to fight for; what are they prepared to diefor? Need we remind them that the Africa we live in today was won by war andblood?
18.                       They speak of federation. Republique neither knows theconcept of federation nor the concept of freedom. Federation will forever befor Republique du Cameroun only a stepping stone to taking over our own spaceof existence; it will be always a mechanism to colonise and destroy us. Theyshowed this in 1961, and have persisted in this pattern for 56 years. Here weare falling in the same trap.
19.                &nb sp;      The best option for federalists, if they fear war so much,would be to argue for a referendum. Why are they not calling for a referendumin the Southern Cameroons since they doubt what our people want? They shoulddevote themselves to working for a referendum so that their dreaded war willnever occur. Ah! But how will Republique accept a referendum knowing fully wellthat it needs only to confront you with the prospect of a war for you tosurrender? You have ruled out the option of a referendum by announcing yourunwillingness to fight for what is yours, so the enemy need concede nothing,not even a referendum!
20.                       Yes, we accept dialogue, but not the dialogue of federalists,which is unconditional. The conditions for dialogue must be met for it to haveany meaning to us, nationalists. Unfortunately, they call nationalists, "separatists"!We are not separating from Republique. We are asking Republique to withdrawfrom our territory to its own.
21.                       My People: we have not deceived our people as some insinuate.We have repeatedly told our people that a final confrontation with evil, withcolonisation, is inevitable. Why? Because colonisation lives only on violence,intimidation, lies, deceit. We know it too well. It is the work of the deviland must only be defeated. People of Southern Cameroons, we must do what everyother people have done to be free. There is no running away from it. We shallovercome and be free, in a sovereign Southern Cameroons.
Atemnkeng.
 



On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 5:27 PM, 'Pa Fru Ndeh' via ambasbay > wrote:


Good People,

I am sitting here and sort of "laughing" outwardly but bleeding in my heart, "inwardly".
I am laughing at those who are grandstanding talking about DIALOGUE.
Why are these people being DISHONEST, and I will not even call it intellectual
dishonesty.  Nope.  I do not even know why the VeeP of the Governing Council
called it doctors or whatever.  It is a simple lack of courage, faiblesse, weaklings.
It is cowardice veiled in casuistry.  No need for me to write some long epistle.
There is nothing whatsoever that I have to say via some epistle or missive.
You all know what time it is.  Nobody is a sucker.  DIALOGUE started since
1962 with the secret letters of Prof Fonlon to Ahmadou Ahidjo.   There was
DIALOGUE when Abendong was killed.  There was DIALOGUE when they
removed the FEDERATION in 1972 and created a United Republic.  There
was DIALOGUE when they promised that the Prime Minister position will
be abolished in that 1972 but brought it back in 1975, to the little guy that 
Foncha met in France in 1961 and told him to come back to his homeland
Cameroon.  There was DIALOGUE when they changed the law in parliament
circa 1980 that the second in comman will be the Prime Minister and not
the President of the National Assembly.  There was DIALOGUE when in 
1984 they committed a treasonable offence and seceded La Republique du
Cameroun from the UNION with the Southern Cameroons by changing
the name of the country back to La Republique du Cameroun.   There was 
DIALOGUE when Foncha resigned from the CPDM.  There was
DIALOGUE when they killed Southern Cameroonians in May 1990 i n 
Bamenda at the launching of the Social Democratic Front.  There was
DIALOGUE when the commission to examine Angloiphone problems
was put togethere whereby Abouem a Tchoyi, Dorothy Njeuma etc circa
1990 smthing were members.  There was DIALOGUE during the tri-partite
of 1992 or so.  There was DIALOGUE when S.T. MUNA resigned from
some constitutional thing.  There was DIALOGUE at their 1996 constitution
when Carlson Anyangwe, I toe pulled out of that nonsense.  There was 
DIALOGUE when the Supreme Court in 1992 stamped the results and
Justice Ngalame walked out.  There was DIALOGUE even more recently
in November 2016 with teachers and lawyers after which they were promptly
arrested and flown/driven in cars blindsighted across the Occupied Territories
of Southern Cameroons to courts in the neighboring country of La Republique
du Cameroun and the dungeons of Yaounde.

The INFINITELY SMART people can continue in their DIALOGUE.
 
May God Almighty Grand us the SPIRIT of DISCERNMENT.

To God Be The Glory
Pa Fru Ndeh
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