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From: Ramamirtham Gopal <rgopaldoctor@gmail.com>
Date: 26/05/2013 09:33 (GMT+05:30)
To: goel.virendra@gmail.com,MTC <join_mtc@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Fwd: [MTC Global] Don't ever attempt to do Ph.D. in Business Management if you satisfy all or any one of the following conditions.
From: Virendra Goel <goel.virendra@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, May 26, 2013 at 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [MTC Global] Don't ever attempt to do Ph.D. in Business Management if you satisfy all or any one of the following conditions.
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On various comments being made on this trail, I would like to make a very small observation. You receive a communication and perceive it based on your own attitude and accordingly, you either respond or react. I would like to remind learned members that response to all posts are always welcome but please desist from reacting. We want free movement of sharing of learning.
Regards
Virendra Goel
From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reshmi Gurnani
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Don't ever attempt to do Ph.D. in Business Management if you satisfy all or any one of the following conditions.
Completely agree with Prof Indranil Bose..the language of Prof. Meesala, smells discourage and superiority complex..the first thing which we should inculcate in ourselves as learner-teacher is to shun this mentality..if we continue with this attitude how will we go to the level of students..knowing 5-6 statistical techniques doesn't qualify you as a research scholar, its the understanding of the problem and desire plus interest to know and make others know about such concepts which counts..rather than starting this conversation on a negative note, it could have been started in a reverse manner by giving some helpful tips & suggestions for PhD aspirants...in that case it would have only received the appreciation from every one..so nobody here is interested in lowering the bar or the standard but its only the method of putting your views which was objectionable..with due regards..
CA. Reshmi Gurnani
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:30 PM, PRASANNA KUMAR J.P. <peekay153@gmail.com> wrote:
India still need to do a lot in building a better industry-institution interface to promote more applied research than conceptual research in all domains especially in management subjects.
Many times there is lot of disconnect between the industry and educational institutions when it comes to research. Unless this gap is not bridged there will be shortage of quality research
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Ramakrishna <yrkrishna1@gmail.com> wrote:
While agreeing with Mr. Stephen Narayanan, I would like to add some more points about the status of Ph.Ds in our country.
First of all, let me inform you that I am still pursuing my Ph.D.
My guide ( a very reputed Professor ), always says that One should NOT pursue Ph.D. for the sake of qualification but it should be pursued out of curiosity to come out with something new. He also says that "Ph.D is NOT for finding out OBVIOUS things, but for finding NEW things". All of us agree that He is absolutely right.
In India, majority of research scholars are pursuing Ph.D. for 'obtaining' a mandatory qualification rather than 'acquiring new area of knowledge'
I think this is the fundamental reason for the lack of quality among Ph.Ds.
Next, it has become a source of earning for 1) Some professors, 2) Some Consultants, 3) Some agents and of course, not surprisingly for 4) Some Universities too!!!
There is NO uniform structure for Ph.D. in our universities. Each university has got its own structure for awarding it. Obviously scholars, out of their curiosity to complete it as early as possible, would opt for 'weakly' structured process. Some universities insist on Course Work, some do NOT. Some universities insist on a 'minimum' number of publications, some do NOT. Some have a highly professional Entrance Test, Interview, Pre-PhD, Research Reviews to monitor the progress.. whereas majority of them DO NOT have any of this. But still they award Ph.D.
These days, we find there are many NON-Ph.Ds who are excellent in their communication skills, subject knowledge, matured outlook.
If we look out some of the Ph.Ds from American Universities, most of those works turn out to be either discoveries or directly implementable by the companies or other bodies of knowledge. Whereas, in India, 90% of our Ph.Ds (in all domains) are JUST for academic sake. They do NOT any add value to the 1) Society, 2) To the Self, 3) To the Industry, 4) To the Students......!!! It adds value to universities for their Mandatory Disclosures.
Ramakrishna Yanamandra
Y. RAMAKRISHNA
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Stephen Narayanan <stepnrn@gmail.com> wrote:
The concern expressed by Mr. Vemuganti really underscores the point that Ph D's are awarded without a proper controlling mechanism and here too I have heard of bribes which only open the door for the thesis being accepted clearing the way for awarding the Doctorate Degree. Spot fixing officials in some Universities in North have brazenly asked to 'X" amount saying that even the Director who would be evaluating the thesis would be getting paid. One of the IT Head of my previous Institute who was pursuing his Ph D told me how he had was made to run around for 3 days when he didn't offer the cut and finally he had to negotiate and pay before his submission was accepted. No doubt the Ph D would enable the award-es to move into the elite category but if their communication skills are below par and they are unable to express and explain their research work...they become an embarrassment for the Institute when representing them in Conclave/Seminar and are made fun of my student community - raising credibility on the institute employing such candidates.
At the same time there is no dearth of real talent in our country....there could be many unexplored geniuses who do not have the proper avenues to get a Doctorate Award though they truly deserve it.... but such geniuses do not need a Framed Doctorate Degree to notify their achievement.....the student following they have....would be a real indicator of their real place as " Guru ".
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Ramesh Vemuganti <vemugantiramesh@gmail.com> wrote:
In addition to the gaps aptly listed out by Meesala, poor communication skills of research scholars & Ph D"s
is the bane of our education system
I feel extremely concerned when I interact with few Ph D"s & interview them on various panels.
They cannot explain the research work they have done, properly.
How can you award Ph D to such candidates? Why will students of next gen listen to them?
Every candidate opting for a Ph D must clear an English Communication Skills test & has to be be a good communicator.
Neither Knowledge & nor Expression should be taken for granted.They have to be acquired & are two different aspects.
Or else, he must not be allowed to apply or awarded a Ph D. It is a mockery of the system & has wide ranging implications.
No wonder, our B Tech/ MBA/ PGDM/ PG students - are shying away from classrooms.
This malady is coming in the way of India emerging as a Superpower by 2030.
Let us work in this direction.
regards
Ramesh Vemuganti
24/5/13
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 8:43 PM, drjaganmohanreddy <drjaganmohanreddy@gmail.com> wrote:
In continuation of my earlier posting , as a response to Indranil Bose's views on the subject, I just would like to add that for my Doctoral thesis I followed mostly case study method though few simple statistical tools were made use of to drive across the message.
In my view more than the method (like people say purpose more important than the procedure) the purpose of the study and most importantly the inferences the study throws up is important.
If we can follow the mantra of creating, communicating snd delivering value in every thing we do (not compromising on vslues/ethics) that's good for the self and the society.
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From: Indranil Bose <sentindranil@gmail.com>
Date: 23/05/2013 16:00 (GMT+05:30)
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Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Don't ever attempt to do Ph.D. in Business Management if you satisfy all or any one of the following conditions.
Respected Prof. Meesala,
As an academician, you should not discourage others from pursuing PhD in management.
PhD is a learning process and every sincere candidate learn a lot during this knowledge exercise. May be the candidate requires more time to complete the same than a candidate, who is well equipped with all the research skills.
Moreover, now a days, many top class PhD thesis are being prepared on the basis of case study method, where extensive knowledge of statistical tool is not much required. Which is required in such case is called the conceptual and analytical skill.
The mentality of the Indian scholars, which can be properly described as "We and they syndrome', where "we' denotes PhDs and 'They' indicates non-PhDs, may be greatest reason for limited growth of research culture.
Thank you very much sir,
Regards,
Yours sincerely,
Indranil Bose
Senior Assistant Professor
Lal Bahadur Shastri Institute of Management and Technology
Bareilly, Uttar Pradesh, India
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Virendra Goel <goel.virendra@gmail.com> wrote:
Good suggestion Dr. Meesala. Hope our members who are planning to do their PhD will take note of the suggestions and first equip themselves with right attitude and skills before starting the process of PhD.
Regards
Virendra Goel
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:31 PM
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Subject: [MTC Global] Don't ever attempt to do Ph.D. in Business Management if you satisfy all or any one of the following conditions.
Don't ever attempt to do Ph.D. in Business Management if you satisfy all or any one of the following conditions.
1. You don't know what topic you should do your research on;
2. You have not read 30-40 research articles till now, and you cannot distinguish between an ordinary article and a research articles;
3. You don't know what comprises literature review;
4. After reading 50 research articles also, you have not got an idea about research gaps, and likely hypotheses;
5. You did not get an idea about what a hypothesis means;
6. You don't have an idea about published valid scales and measures;
7. You don't know the calculation of descriptive statistics, chi-square, t-test, anova, correlation, regression coefficients;
8. You are under the impression that Ph.D. is about writing a voluminous book with a lot of distantly related material.
Prof. Dr. Appalayya Meesala
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Dr. B. R. Ambedkar Institute of Management & Technology
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Hyderabad- 500044
College Land line: 040-27670675
Mobile: 0- 9848514011
Our college website: www.ambedkarcollege.comMy personal website: mbaphd.in (under construction)
Contact me for help on Research Design, Survey Data Analysis, Research Article Writing, and Ph. D. issues.
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