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>> VICTOR MENGOT AS A HOT POTATO
>>
>> It seems that Victor Mengot has thrown a bomb in our midst through his
>> very thought-provoking contribution on the North West/South West
>> divide. Instead of vilifying him, we ought to thank him for
>> anticipating problems and cracks in the future edifice we are seeking
>> to build. In other words, he is serving as a free sparring partner in
>> a match that should enable us sharpen our skills before the real
>> match. So, we should be thankful to him for this opportunity. If we
>> can`t stand his heat, how shall we stand that of the real match? The
>> worst thing we could do is dismiss him outright as being irrelevant as
>> some of us have done. No, we should thank him!
>>
>> On 02/01/2017, Mishe Fon mishefon@yahoo.com [cameroon_politics]
>> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> > This fellow's missive should not come as a surprise as there are many
>> Victor
>> > Mengots out there amongst us. S/Cameroonians who are 45 years and
>> > younger
>> > (who happen to be in the majority, population-wise) were not privy to
>> > the
>> > machinations (if any) of our leaders in Buea. The few history books in
>> > circulation are very sketchy on the successes or failures of successive
>> > Anglophone governments. This whole NW vs SW thing is and has been a
>> > very
>> > clever manoevre strategically injected into Anglophone discourse using
>> > their surrogates (CPDM types, wanna-be potential or former Ministers
>> etc) to
>> > foment and keep the ideology alive thereby perpetually sowing seeds of
>> > distrust and "bad blood" to continue their annexationist and
>> > subjugation
>> > agenda.
>> > I remember reading a newaper article where a certain Ngole Ngole (the
>> > SW
>> > version of NW Atanga Nji) when asked by a "planted" CRTV Francophone
>> > journalist "Quelle est la verite sur l'existence d'un problem tres
>> > grave
>> > entre les resortisants du NW et le SW"? In a nutshell, here is what he
>> said
>> > (in French):
>> > "The problem we have in Anglophone Cameroon is that some (most Bamenda
>> > people) refuse the existence of any such problems BUT I am here to tell
>> you
>> > in all truthfulness that we have very serious problems. There are
>> > ethnological, physical appearance, the way they talk, profound cultural
>> and
>> > many other differences as most of you can attest between those from the
>> NW
>> > and SW. For example, we Bakossi people have more in common with our Mbo
>> and
>> > Nkongsamba people of East Cameroon (we speak almost identical
>> dialects) than
>> > with Bafut, Mankon, Mendankwe, Bali, Ndop, Baforchu, Bameta or Banso
>> people.
>> > Bakweri people are more attuned to Sawa cultural values than strange
>> > concepts from the other side. Yes, we have serious problems. I can go
>> > on
>> and
>> > on but you get my point"...dixit Minister Ngole Ngole.
>> > In reality, the good Minister (an intelligent fellow no doubt) did not
>> > answer the journalist' question but since he wanted to plant the seeds
>> > of
>> > intolerance and hate, he went ahead anyways with that ridiculous
>> > answer.
>> > Like most have opined here and correctly so, I am equally of the school
>> of
>> > thought that after "the battle is won", we S/Cameroonians must sit down
>> and
>> > TALK...a sort of "Truth and Reconciliation" National Conference where
>> > nothing will be swept under the carpet. Natty pass arrangement.
>> > For those who remember a portion of our history; the annexation and
>> > subjugation of Southern Cameroons was hatched and engineered in Paris,
>> > France and the Hausa man Ahidjo was charged with executing the
>> > diabolical
>> > plan.
>> > In play were three great politicians of timber and caliber (two from
>> > the
>> NW)
>> > PM Ngom Jua and PM Tandeng Muna, PM Endeley from SW and another (NW) VP
>> John
>> > Ngu Foncha forced by circumstances hatched yonder, to be a spectator
>> with a
>> > moribund useless inconsequential window dressing title of "Vice
>> President"
>> > of la Republique.
>> > Did these gentlemen and all the other politicians of that era, make
>> > mistakes; you bet they did. Was it because of some "graffi bamendrous"
>> under
>> > the table machinations and hegemony or over zealousness and
>> high-handedness?
>> > Me I no sabi. I was not there in Buea and my father was a small "Native
>> > Authority Forest Guard in Ekiliwindi"...no where close to the echelons
>> > of
>> > Anglophone "PAWA" politicking.
>> > If our real history was allowed to be taught correctly by Anglophone
>> trained
>> > teachers in Anglophone schools, we would not be having the Mengots
>> writing
>> > neeguisse about "The Hidden Agenda of the North Westerners" at this
>> critical
>> > moment to poison people's minds when we need serenity and strategic
>> focus to
>> > Fight the necessary Fight.
>> > Ahidjo and his French backers craftily used their trusted confidant, a
>> > certain Bamoun man called Jean Forchive (the most dreaded Policeman cum
>> > director of the infamous secret police called CENER) to plant the seeds
>> of
>> > discord between politicians of Southern Cameroons extraction. This led
>> > to
>> > very strong rivalry and suspicions amongst all Ministers from both the
>> > NW
>> > and SW that eventually culminated in the epic well documented
>> battle between
>> > Ngom Jua and Tandeng Muna. History will recall that Jua lost that
>> > battle
>> to
>> > Muna just like France and Ahidjo wanted. That was the end and gradual
>> > descent into political limbo of the very charismatic no-nonsense
>> Augustine
>> > Ngom Jua and subsequently the beginning of a tactful
>> > annexation, disappearance of the Federation and the gradual but
>> > forceful
>> > implantation of FRENCH values to Southern Cameroons. It had absolutely
>> > nothing to do with any invented NW / SW divide. Wna don hia?
>> > The duel between the two rival brothers; Jua and Muna was of epic
>> > proportions. It almost resulted in fist fights between the
>> > protagonists.
>> The
>> > issue at stake? The French via their surrogate Ahidjo wanted at all
>> > cost
>> to
>> > dismantle the Federal system agreed on since 1961 but which to them was
>> > anachronistic to French aims and ambitions in the rich sub-soil of
>> Southern
>> > Cameroons.
>> >
>> > From: 'pascal kiwopa' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
>> > To: ambasbay@googlegroups.com
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 5:53 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [boba-list] Re: Fwd: THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF THE NORTH
>> > WESTERNERS!!!!
>> >
>> > Stay focused Southern Cameroonian people!! Don't get sidetracked or
>> > distracted for it is part of the demonic plot!! Set your eyes on the
>> > trophy!!
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Jan 1, 2017, at 4:15 PM, 'Mukwo Okwo Ntua' via ambasbay
>> > <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > While the subject matter is appropriate, the timing is out of place and
>> have
>> > been dealt with in large measure in the AAC draft federal constitution
>> > presented into the tripartite conference.
>> > It true that this is a living document and time has moved on with
>> additional
>> > enhancements required from all. Suggestions on safe guards to protect
>> > our
>> > diversity (minority, indigenous, gender, etc) interests.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > On 1 Jan 2017, at 22:44, 'takang ruphous' via ambasbay
>> > <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Compatriots,
>> > Mr. Victor Mengot's message is ill-timed and anarchous but is a pointer
>> to
>> > what has to happen between us.
>> > This struggle started as lawyers' and teachers' strikes and has now
>> > gone
>> > beyond their particular demands to include the the whole anglophone
>> problem;
>> > marginalization and a calculated abandonment of the terms of the union
>> > by
>> > successive government regimes. With the federation having failed us and
>> > décentralisation a huge disappointment and that has reduced the
>> Anglophones
>> > to second class citizens and at worst cycophants in their own land.
>> This is
>> > why separation or secession instead of the 2 state federation, has
>> > gained
>> > traction and bold, devoted anglophones, be they from the NW or SW, are
>> > standing up to make the case. This isn't about who is leading who and
>> who is
>> > dominating where. But as we come together as one SC we should not be
>> > dismissive of Mr. Victor Mengot's idea that both NW and SW would have
>> > to
>> sit
>> > and discuss the nature and functionality of any prospective
>> > governmental
>> > structure for SC. While I admit that it's premature to talk about this,
>> it's
>> > not hurtful to think about it and to bring it up. After all, we have
>> > all
>> > smelled domination and marginalization and know it's sconky odor.
>> > Nonetheless Mr. Mengot injection is troubling because it's timing has
>> > the
>> > potential to sow discord. His reference to the Chiefs Conference and
>> their
>> > request for a ten state federation is trivial because the Chiefs both
>> > in
>> the
>> > SW and NW have been a huge disappointment to the people they are
>> supposed to
>> > lead. They're more concerned about the salary they are getting from the
>> > government and have chosen to either be docile or worse still work with
>> the
>> > regime to brutalized their own people and subject them to abandon the
>> > course. Otherwise, let the chiefs and the fons hold their conferences
>> > now
>> > and proclaim their stance and demands to the administration.
>> > Enjoy your New Year in reflection.
>> >
>> > R. Takang
>> >
>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Emmanuel Chebe<chebengwaemma@yahoo.co.
>> uk>
>> > wrote: At a time when we have a lot at stake, we need to be careful
>> > with
>> > voices of people like Victor Megots. People have been planted or have
>> > planted themselves to steer up dust and blurred the vision of
>> Anglophones so
>> > that this struggle for freedom will fail. For their information: not
>> this
>> > time, not again. It has worked before but not this time. Am in no way
>> > minimizing the fact that Anglophones have to sit and also have a frank
>> talk
>> > and listen to each other. That notwithstanding, what is at stake is
>> > something that we can not afford to look at schemes and other
>> > digressions
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Jan 1, 2017, at 7:25 PM, NDI MANJONG ngahndi@yahoo.com [boba-list]
>> > <boba-list@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > If Victor Mengot can not say whose opinion from the North West he
>> > is
>> > posting, he must himself then be the North Westerner of the said
>> > opinion.
>> > What a cowardly approach in the light of the seriousness of the
>> situation.
>> > NDI MANJONG
>> >
>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Envoyé de mon iPhone
>> > Début du message transféré :
>> >
>> >
>> > Expéditeur: "'Victor Mengot' via ManyuVoice" <
>> manyuvoice@googlegroups.com>
>> > Date: 1 janvier 2017 à 09:58:48 UTC+1
>> > Destinataire: Greig Batey <bateygreig20@yahoo.ca>
>> > Cc: "mincam@yahoogroups.com" <mincam@yahoogroups.com>, ManyuVoice
>> ManyuVoice
>> > <manyuvoice@googlegroups.com>, Manyu Meca-mn <meca-mn@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Objet: Rép : THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF THE NORTH WESTERNERS!!!!
>> > Répondre à: Victor Mengot <arreymengot@yahoo.fr>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > VERY VERY IMPORTANT: THE HIDDEN AGENDA. We all acclaimed the common law
>> > lawyers and anglophone teachers for the battle to right the wrongs in
>> > the
>> > marginalisation of anglophones. However, i am beginnibg to get worried
>> when
>> > i hear some northwesterners address the southwesterners as " too slow",
>> > "weak people", etc. Why should we the people from the north west region
>> with
>> > a culture quite at variance with that of the south westerners think
>> > that
>> > they must behave like us. Why are we from the north west having such a
>> > domineering attitude? We have now turned the fight for anglophone
>> > lawyers
>> > and teachers to a demand for secesion. The people from the south
>> > west,following the communique from the chiefs conference are for a ten
>> > federated states according to the 1996 constitution. With our
>> > domineering
>> > attitude and our overwhelming majority we are seemingly looking for a
>> way to
>> > rule over the south westerners as the francophones have ruled over us.
>> > I
>> as
>> > a north westerner see this as super greed and wickedness. We have seen
>> that
>> > all the prominent trade union leaders are from the north west. This is
>> not a
>> > coincidence. It is simply because we want to always dorminate the south
>> > westerners in every aspect of the word. Why did they abandon the talks?
>> It
>> > was because they realised in total consternation that it was a purely
>> north
>> > west affair. And in pretencee they claimed they cannot continue with
>> > the
>> > talks if their south west brothers are not there. SHAME! SHAME!
>> >
>> > Envoyé de mon iPhone
>> > Le 31 déc. 2016 à 21:26, 'Greig Batey' via ManyuVoice
>> > <manyuvoice@googlegroups.com> a écrit :
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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