RE: [ACEsthetics] Delta Dental is telling Dentists...F*%k YOU!

Our teachers are not actually unioned as they are in some areas. Some are members of a teachers group but the majority are not. They get no choice on the insurance they get. The school board determines that and they constantly get screwed. I begged the school board to let me come out and review any plan, including medical before they signed up. They refused. They usually get sold down the river by a local broker.

Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.

The Swamp

Douglas, GA 31533

912-384-7400

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From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Harder
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 12:25 PM
To: gmoor@windstream.net; 'David Hamel'
Cc: drmikemaroon@gmail.com; wmdomb@verizon.net; 'gnr'
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Delta Dental is telling Dentists...F*%k YOU!

Guy, you make an interesting comment that not taking teacher's insurance is a slap in the face to them.

Just for a second, think of it the other way around. Is it not a slap in the face to the dentist that a unionized group would think its okay for a big business insurance company to hold dentists hostage by reducing their income like Delta has?

We recently got our local teacher's union to drop Wash. Dental S. by pointing out exactly that. It helped that they were just coming off large community support for their fight with the school district to keep their pay at appropriate levels.

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Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 3:24 AM

Subject: RE: [ACEsthetics] Delta Dental is telling Dentists...F*%k YOU!

David, miscommunication here. We already had the patients. Signing with a couple of plans has given us an opportunity to learn how to make money using these plans without cutting quality and we’ve done that. We have not signed with all the plans. The major one covers the teachers, city and county workers. Refuse to accept that plan as several here have is a slap in the face to the teachers. 50% of the teachers in our system are single mothers. We do what we can to help and people are now finding that out. We have lost none and gained many. My partners are going to have to speed up to make any kind of money. They are going to have to work like Marvin does and I did.

Hospitals have no choice but to sign with plans. The days of freedom are over. People point out that Mayo is not a Medicare provider. They aren’t but their days are numbered. The feds are not paying for many things to nonproviders that they were previously. I have friends who are Medicare and used Mayo. Previously, between Mayo and supplements they came out owing little. Now there co-pay has jumped to a huge number on the last visit. Mayo collects. Mayo is not that much better than many medical complexes in the area and will die on the vine. They’ll sign with Medicare.

Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.

The Swamp

Douglas, GA 31533

912-384-7400

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From: David Hamel [mailto:hameldds@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:21 AM
To: gmoor@windstream.net
Cc: drmikemaroon@gmail.com; wmdomb@verizon.net; 'gnr'
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Delta Dental is telling Dentists...F*%k YOU!

You are making one assumption that does not hold true. Signing on with plans will make things better. That does not hold true. I know many dentists with many plans for which they contract and they are sitting empty in their offices too.

With all the exposure of the dental non profits going on now is as good of time as any to drop contracts and let patients know why using a 3rd party source to show them.


Dave


David Hamel DDS

1200 Broadway

Marysville, KS 66508

785-562-5529 O

KDA Immediate Past President

On May 24, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Guy Moorman wrote:

This is what I watched happen in medicine here and it is going to get worse. I advised my partner to sign with one lower fee plan to work on finding a way to make money on lower fees because that is going to happen. We can scream and yell and curse but it is coming…slower than medicine but coming. When you wake up one morning and realize that 90% of your patient base has dental supplements and you are not taking these plans and your book is dropping more and more, you will re-evaluate your acceptance of plans. There are plenty of people on here who have patient bases approaching this now or are at that level. So far we have been lucky in that our companies have chosen higher fee plans but that won’t last. All of us cannot be cosmetic gurus who are cash up front. There are simply not enough patients to support these people. A lot of cosmetic gurus are sucking wind right now.

Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.

The Swamp

Douglas, GA 31533

912-384-7400

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From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mike Maroon
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:24 AM
To: wmdomb@verizon.net
Cc: gnr
Subject: [ACEsthetics] Delta Dental is telling Dentists...F*%k YOU!

Bill et al.,

Here's a lovely letter that CT docs received this month. What do you think this means for our reimbursement fees?

And...the saddest thing about all of this is that Delta isn't the worst dental insurance company out there. Blue Cross is really high on the list of companies that stick it to dentists!

We Dentists are such a sorry bunch of saps that we won't even make a stink about this and they'll make these cuts, no one will organize or rail against them, and even if they do there will probably be some ridiculous out-of-court settlement that makes it all go away and the money that they save by cutting fees more than offsets any settlement and they keep laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm interested to hear what others think about this....


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