So Shahin are you hooking up the K7 to every new patient like Steve is saying with the TScan?
Craig Harder, DDS
www.MosesLakeDentist.com
On May 29, 2012, at 8:43 PM, safariandmd@aim.com wrote:
> Scan 15 on K7 can show patients joint sounds also visual for patients. And there are many other visuals that the K7 can offer.
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> From: Steve Markus <smarkus147545@comcast.net>
> To: drdebshoemaker <drdebshoemaker@att.net>; John Nosti <tmjcenter@aol.com>
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> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:38 pm
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> Deb - I don't know if you use TekScan or not, but most people are visual learners. I automatically Tscan practically every NP, and charge $20 for the priviledge of letting them ask me what it shows.
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> I just tell them it's like a fingerprint. I want to be sure that nothing I do screws their bite up worse than it's already screwed up. Every NTI patient gets Tscanned. Balancing bites becomes a video game.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Deb Shoemaker
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Re: I hate OCCLUSION!!
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> Who orders water from a bartender?!;-)
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> Actually, used the "if your knee was popping and hurts a bit every time you bent down, would you care" today.
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> Deb Shoemaker, DMD
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> On May 29, 2012, at 9:24 PM, John Nosti <tmjcenter@aol.com> wrote:
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> Its fun isn't it? It doesn't matter at what level you continue to grow- you will always have patients who don't care or think they are too busy, or they have better things to worry about. I had a patient who saw my partner for a NP exam, at which time my partner told him he needs to see me for his complaints of "TMJ pain". The patient "who is an important business man" (yes he said this to my staff)-- said he doesn't feel the need to come see me for a consult and wants to schedule with me to tell him his treatment options. He then refused to listen to all the reasons why he had to see me first and demanded I call him to speak with him...
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> So right after I vented and told my staff to tell him to go F**k himself--- I said wait-- before you do that- tell him what "TMJ" stands for and ask him if he can call an orthopedic surgeon and tell him he has "knee" and to have the surgeon tell him treatment options without diagnosing him first.
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> My girls said this word for word and he said "you know what-- that makes total sense, when can I come in for a consult?".
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> Lead them to water and when they are thirsty they know who their bartender is :)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb Shoemaker <drdebshoemaker@att.net>
> To: Rick Coker <riccoker@gmail.com>
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> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Re: I hate OCCLUSION!!
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> I care. That's why I obsess about getting through. Just wish there was a public campaign so patients cared. I saw an article for Dentists against Drowsy Driving for OSA. We need something for occlusal issues.
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> Deb Shoemaker, DMD
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> On May 29, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Rick Coker <riccoker@gmail.com> wrote:
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> No, no, no! It is great you care and great you are learning this, but unless are some glib sales pitch girl, you have to make their concerns your concerns and figure out a way to lead them into WANTING what they need! Telling them isn't enough, but connecting concerns about longevity, comfort and the ability to eat what they want to eat, as well as cosmetics, are usually enough to give you a toehold onto their concerns.
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> The only way to learn who isn't interested is to present to everybody, and once you get tired of being ignored, then you do real diligence in finding those who might be ready to listen. Takes work and time, but it is what we do!
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> Rick
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> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Deb Shoemaker <drdebshoemaker@att.net> wrote:
> That's the thing...why can't they see they have shorter, broken teeth? I just don't get it. My RDH asks about it, I talk about it and they just sit and stare. If I get the idea they are not concerned I move on. I'd love a progressive slideshow of how wear affects just the teeth...something they can see. I got asked three times today how long I thought their teeth would last. How am I suppose to know that?
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> I guess I should care less.
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> Deb Shoemaker, DMD
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> On May 29, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Rick Coker <riccoker@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Just because someone has the signs of occlusal issues, doesn't mean they have a concern about it, and we get so busy diagnosing that we forget that often we are offering solutions to problems they don't feel, or own. If someone walks up to me and tells me they have a solution for grey hair, and I don't really mind my grey hair, I ain't going to be too interested in their solution!
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> The only things they are going to buy are solutions to THEIR PROBLEMS! Your concerns about their bite morphology isn't one of their problems!
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> We have all been there and done that! It gets better!
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> Rick
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> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Deb Shoemaker <drdebshoemaker@att.net> wrote:
> I had one of those days where I decided that I know why only a select group of dentists ever continue their education to be the best they can be. It's exhausting. If I said one more time today that teeth look like M & M's or that there are three ways people lose their teeth... I actually got tired of hearing myself. Why did everyone look like they took a jigsaw ( or insert other tool here) to their teeth? Why did they all have 5mm tall incisors? I decided if I never found ACE and started taking all these "silly" classes that I could just drill and fill. Instead, I'm educating patients and they are looking at me dumbfounded. I'm repeating all these silly metaphors. I'm worried about whether they breathe. I want to go back to being "normal." I don't want to stress how to help them anymore. I want my blinders back.
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> I feel a wine night coming on.
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> Deb
> (No, I didn't fall off the face of the Earth for those wondering...I've been busy talking about the damn bite.)
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