Gentlemen, after all the legalo linguistic razzmatazz, the political acrimony towards the stable government of Cameroon and you innate jingoism due to frustrations far away from home, friends and family, I still go back to where we all started in order to refocus and canalize to the yoke of this paradigm. Once more and with much emphasis. WHO OWNS THE LAND? WHO IS THE STATE ?
Barrister Sichui John Kameni Portio Jure Law Firm P.O.Box 231-Buea South West Region R Republic of Cameroon
Mobile 00 237 75 40 1042 Home 00 237 33 32 3379 Office 00 237 33 15 0352
--- On Sun, 9/30/12, ASONGANYI WALTER <asonganyi@hotmail.com> wrote: From: ASONGANYI WALTER <asonganyi@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Re: Maitre Kameni John !!! All Land Does Not Belong To The State To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com " <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 8:52 AM
Mbua, well, you are right that land is not own by the state. Only in places were the state uses guns funded and supervised by a dictator do they own land. States should buy land if needed and get land title as well. But, indigenous people must organise themselves to make sure they can bring the dictator criminal state to account when gross violation is being perpetrated. Ndi NkemSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone-----Original Message-----From: louis <louis_egbe@yahoo.co.uk>Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:47:23 To: <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [camnetwork] Re: Maitre Kameni John !!! All Land Does Not Belong ToThe StateJude,Sovereignty does not equate to ownership. It merely means being an overseer of the land and not the owner. If the state wishes to own any piece of land they would have to buy it from the original owners. Remember that before there was the state, people existed in these places. No dictator can turn around and start claiming ownership. This is exactly what immigrants did to the American Indians. We no longer live in that era of land grab by the "state".What the CDC is doing is a fraud in connivance with the corrupt Cameroon government. The CDC does not own these lands. It is merely a company. The land was on lease for them; and the lease had expired in 2007 and has never been renewed. . Under normal circumstances and in a nation of laws they are supposed to be kicked out. The land belongs to the indigenes and not to the state as confirmed by the African Commission on Human and Peoples' Rights.I read here about certain people selling land in the Victoria area; possibly "acquired" from the natives after the CDC "land transfer". Do not buy these lands. You will lose your money eventually. These lands are native lands under law. The CDC does not own any land in the Victoria area to transfer them to any third party for them to be sold.Mbua--- In camnetwork@yahoogroups.com, sea gol <seagolent@...> wrote:>> Mishe: >  > You are fast-tracking: The government right of "Eminent Domain" is as a result of culture and sub-cultures or nations, if you like, surrendering their right of "autonomosity" to a state which they all constitute. Among the rights surrendered is that of land ownership - which "state" government turn arround and recognized as part of its sovereignty. >  > There are native/national land laws, at the sametime "national land" laws supercede. It's like municipal ordinances (laws), they are there fully recognized by the state as legal instruments, but constitutional orders or decrees supercede these laws. >  > Back to land: because the nations committed their sovereignty to a "state", the "state now retains the control of all land - the right of "Eminent Domain" - meaning all land belong to the state. In Cameroon for example, before CDC cedes land to the indigenous people, government must give approval - most often government request CDC to cede land to any culture or subculture which population has attain the ceiling. Government owns all land.   > > --- On Fri, 9/28/12, Mishe Fon <mishefon@...> wrote:> > > From: Mishe Fon <mishefon@...>> Subject: [camnetwork] Re: Maitre Kameni John !!! All Land Does Not Belong To The State> To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>, "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>, "ambasbay@googlegroups.com" <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>, "accdf@yahoogroups.com" <accdf@yahoogroups.com>, "naijaobserver@yahoogroups.com" <naijaobserver@yahoogroups.com>> Received: Friday, September 28, 2012, 10:33 PM> > > >  > > > > > > "Maitre" Barrister Sitchui Kameni> In a very interesting research work, titled "Are Cameroon citizens squatters on their own land"? The authors go into great length to explain and debunk the fallacy "Inherited from the French Colonial Masters" that "All Land Belongs to the State". There is therefore no doubt that I share intoto their conclusion that "All Land SHOULD not Belong to the State". The French put in all these archaic provisions so that they can turn around and plunder our natural resources (as they are doing right now with impunity) and not be held liable while smiling their way to Paribas and BNP Banks. This is totally ridiculous. I am even surprised that in 2012, Cameroonians and other African friends are not outraged to hold the France accountable for these dastardly Crimes Against Humanity.>  > Read ercerpts here:> Rural and even cosmopolitan Cameroonians are deeply insecure in their land tenure. National law provides some security of occupancy for unregistered house plots and farms, but only to the extent that (limited) compensation is payable for loss of permanent crops or infrastructure when the government requires the land for other purposes.> These include the right to grant unregistered land (most of Cameroonâs land area) in absolute title, lease or exclusive occupancy licenses to loggers, miners, ranchers, biofuel or food entrepreneurs, or to itself (in the form of State Forests).> The government may do this for two reasons: first, because the legal definition of public purpose is very loose, and second because Cameroonian law fails to acknowledge customary land-holding as amounting to real property interests, and therefore according the protection of private property, including paying> Customary owners the market value for lands which government appropriates for public purpose.>  > Read complet Article here below: Very Informative. > http://www.fern.org/sites/fern.org/files/cameroon_eng_internet.pdf > Mishe Fon>  >  > > > > > > From: ANJEH BEATRICE <anjeh@...>> To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 7:46 PM> Subject: Re: Fw: [camnetwork] Fw: Fon Angwafor III of Mankon now attack Zintgraff and the SDO of Mezam (A must read)> > > > Amen! > > > > > > > From: john kameni <jkinternational_2000@...>> To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, 28 September 2012, 22:25> Subject: Re: Fw: [camnetwork] Fw: Fon Angwafor III of Mankon now attack Zintgraff and the SDO of Mezam (A must read)> > >  > > > > > Gentlemen all land belongs to the state.> Cheers> > Barrister Sichui John Kameni> Portio Jure Law Firm > P.O.Box 231-Buea> South West Region R> Republic of Cameroon> > Mobile 00 237 75 40 1042> Home 00 237 33 32 3379> Office 00 237 33 15 0352> > --- On Fri, 9/28/12, ANJEH BEATRICE <anjeh@...> wrote:> > > From: ANJEH BEATRICE <anjeh@...>> Subject: Re: Fw: [camnetwork] Fw: Fon Angwafor III of Mankon now attack Zintgraff and the SDO of Mezam (A must read)> To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>> Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 1:10 PM> > > >  > > > > Gibberish from a dunderhead!!> > > > From: Jonathan Awasom <wisesayings10@...>> To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2012, 22:27> Subject: Re: Fw: [camnetwork] Fw: Fon Angwafor III of Mankon now attack Zintgraff and the SDO of Mezam (A must read)> > >  > > > > > > > > Anjeh Beatrice> > > > > > > > > Is there no boundary marks between US and Canada? So, they aren't doing business again because they are separated by such strict landmarks?> > > Is GBSH Bamenda owned by Mankon Fondom or Government?> Is Sacred Heart College owned by Catholics or Fon of Mankon and his people? Is the Baptist mission, Presbyterian Mission and Catholic missions inside Mankon Fondom owned by Fon Angwafo? Is CCC Mankon, LCC Mankon, PSS Mankon ,Bamenda General Hospital and all the government institutions and infrastructures owned and controled by Fon Angwafo?> > You are very SICK young man!  This issue is above your pedigree and you need to take your pompous and obnoxious behavior away. I hate some of you who wear this CPDM mentality of dividing, knocking people's head and conquering people for selfish ends! > > > What is your tribe? Why should you be commenting  on the Mankon Tribe when one does not know your own tribe?  That is intellectual dishonesty and tantamount to jealousy and a sheer evil intent to sow seeds of hatred among a peace loving people within Bamenda-Urban Council > > > You started by referring to Fon Angwafor as a Dinosar !  That is where you have a very big problem . Don't you have a Fon or Chief in your village? What has the age of Angwafo got to do with the first class historical account he posted about the case he was making? > > > When ignorance is combined with naughtiness, the outcome is a disaster for human existence! How are you going to come of the hole you dug for yourself? > > > You are a proud Bamenda man and don't know about the land rights of a people to the extent ,which you wanted to incite the government to encroach on the rights of people ?> > > The Mankon Fon had already given a lot of land to the government and the issue was not about government but protecting  and respecting territorial, regional and tribal boundaries, which is very normal in any given society> > > > > > > > > Rev Jonathan Awasom> The voice for Cameroon, Africa and the world in the 21st century> The Rally-cry for freedom, justice, peace ,democracy and prosperity for all> Empowering humanity to build a virtuous and free world for the beloved global village> Blog: http://virtuousandfreecameroon.blogspot.com/> > > > --- On Thu, 9/27/12, ANJEH BEATRICE <anjeh@...> wrote:> > > From: ANJEH BEATRICE <anjeh@...>> Subject: Re: Fw: [camnetwork] Fw: Fon Angwafor III of Mankon now attack Zintgraff and the SDO of Mezam (A must read)> To: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>> Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 3:36 PM> > > >  > > > Louis,> I appreciate this response. However, in no way am I advocating that the indigenes should be moved nor should they be forced to water down their culture, oh no!! I am a very proud Bamenda man!! I love my Chibi, Mbangalum, Nere, Ngoh etc.; our costumes and all practices of old, with a caveat!!> In a posting, I said think positive and progressive! In a posting you said the Germans built a fort in Bamenda to watch over the Mankon people, who were their worst enemies? Look at what they created!!! Abakwa!!!! It is unfortunate that you are not from this Region to understand or savour the goodness of this town. When you visit Pays next, please try to visit this town!!> I am not Mankonese, but I will tell you it is my town. It is the Regional Headquarters, for starters! What I find stifling is the notion that this vibrant town belongs to some Fondom!! It is a Metropolis like any in the world!!> Louis, seriously speaking, how many Cockneys will you find in Bethnal Green, White chapel, Wapping, Stepney and Bow? Not a handful! By their own volition, they moved. The areas I have just named are populated now by Jews, Bangladeshis and Blacks! Newham--your Olympics Borough....Indians!!!> London spans five counties or shires! Kent, Surrey, Bucks, Middlesex and Essex! Louis think about this carefully and tell me which of these counties has greater claim to this Metropolis!!!> That is where I am coming from, and I pray that in years to come Bamenda Town will be..!> Enjoy your evening.> Anjeh.> > > > > > > > > > > > From: louis <louis_egbe@...>> To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2012, 0:06> Subject: Re: Fw: [camnetwork] Fw: Fon Angwafor III of Mankon now attack Zintgraff and the SDO of Mezam (A must read)> > > >  > > Hello Anjeh,> > I do not know much about land disputes in the NW. However, I know that Zingraff was defeated in the battle of Mankon when he tried to seize lands there. This may be the cause of the ongoing dispute. I read the Fon's letter which he backed with overwhelming historical and anthropological evidence. It is up to the other party to challenge him which they have not done. The Fon is merely doing his duties.
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