I am saying that ownership is a fluid concept where you can have many owners at the same time depending on which interest each party owns. Maitre Kameni originally said all land in Cameroon is owned by the state. Someone came up and said all land cannot be owned by the state. I made the point that using statute, ownership of land can be vested to the state in principle without going into the Cameroon situation specifically. I instead brought an example of the Nigerian situation where the Land Use Act vest ownership of all land in a state to the state governor. I attached an article about this for those who might not be familiar with Nigeria. Whether such a law is good or bad is not the issue. Parliament can make wrong, immoral or any kind of law as they deem fit subject perhaps to the constraints of constitution.
Lets take the CDC case for example. If the Bakweri people gave CDC say a 99 years or 999 years lease then who owns the land during the term of the lease?. Is it CDC that is having quiet enjoyment or is it the Bakwerians that might be entitled to nothing or some negligible peppercorn rent?. CDC bought the land just as you buy a leasehold flat in London for consideration even if it was just a mirror or gun power (necessary but not sufficient) and they became the owners just like you are the owner of your leasehold flat in London. The Bakwerians as freeholders can also be considered owners. This shows that the issue of who is the owner and who is not is not hard and fast.
On who owns land in Cameroon, you will realise that I have not pronounced on this particular issue. Perhaps Maitre Kameni has read the decree or statute that vested all lands in Cameroon to the state hence he pronounced authoritatively on the issue. I have not read the decree so you can see me limiting myself to the principle that it is possible to vest ownership of land to the state like in the Nigerian case. This might be a terrible law subject to abuse but so is everything in Cameroon.
So in summary, Fungwa, as to your question about who owns the land in Cameroon, I cannot pronounce definitively on it although I cannot discount the fact that there might be such a decree somewhere there considering the over bearing attitude of the government in every realm of human endeavour in Cameroon. Someone in Cameroon who can point to the particular decree or statute and what it says and how he has interpreted it to mean the land is vested to the state will be of more help here than I. I mentioned the Nigerian case because in my undergraduate days in University of Ife, I studied the Land Use Act and read it and actually experienced its effect on the ground in Nigeria.
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From: sc_fungwa@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 08:11:09 +0100
Subject: [camnetwork] Re: [cameroon_politics] RE: State and Private Ownership of Land
Hello Martin, The issue is NOT whether it is the land that is owned or the interest on the land which is owned. You have retitled the debate and if I draw symmetry between your writing and the new coined title above, I may wrongly conclude that you are saying the state owns all the land and citizens can only own or hold an interest on lease. Except you are saying that interest is equal to lease, I wouldn't be able to draw the link between your new title and what you are saying relating to the discussion in question. Be very specific on where you stand. Who owns the land in Cameroon? Or as you will prefer, who owns the interest in land in Cameroon? To someone with a freehold title or fee simple absolute, saying that he/s holds interest in land means absolutely nothing when on the registered title there are people with other interests, the are also listed with their specific interests. Eg right of passage or easements are interest that a holder of a freehold title may grant to maybe a neighbour and it is registered on his/her title. There you can clearly see the natural meaning of interest in land as oppose to "one can only own an interest in land and not the land" which are just words which do not change anything on the registered title. Whether stated as owning the land or owning the interest on land is of little or no relevance so long as there is no third party interets on the registered title. Avoid making the issue overly complicated and lets look at the natural meaning of ownership of land and the natural meaning of interests in land. Lets keep aside all the land law jargon as best as we can. It is not necessary here. Even in the UK where all land used to be owned by the Crown, where a person dies intestate, the land does not go back to the state automatically. If people could not own land or interest in land, then upon death, the land would automatically go back to the state to be leased out to the next tenant. Intestacy provisions apply and unless no surviving relatives are traced, it is then registered on the London Gazette no matter where the land is held. And if no surviving relatives are traced, it is only then that the land goes to the crown or the state. But here we are talking about Cameroon and some people just get excited and make statements like all land belongs to the state on justification of eminent domain. Fungwa |
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Subject: [cameroon_politics] RE: State and Private Ownership of Land
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Hi Louis, The point I am making is that ownership can mean different things in different situations. There are people who have a lease on a land e.g. ownere of a leasehold flat and are considered the owners. Even their landlords who own the freehold can still be considered owners (of the freehold) and they might be entitled to a ground rent or some peppercorn rent. If you talk of owner, you must state of what. Ownership of land means nothing. You can only own an interst in the land. The highest interest being the freehold interest (fee simple) which is when you have no superior landlord. You own a leasehold interest where you have a superior landlord and you might pay him rents e.g. normal rents, a ground rent or some form of peppercorn rent. The lease generally provides that the land will revert to the freeholder at the expiration of the term of the lease.i.e. the right to the reversion. If statute vest ownership of all lands in a state to the governor, that is the position. In practice, he might not exercise his powers to start evicting people from lands or expropriating lands. The Queen in the UK has so much powers but in practice she might never exercise some because it might be unfair to do or it is political not correct despite her legal powers to do so. Again, you do not own land per se. You own an interest in land, the highest being fee simple which is almost like absolute ownership of what is above, on and below the land (subject to various other rights that might exist like easements over the land, right of passage, profit a prendre on the land e.g. right for someone to come and fetch water etc etc.). If Bakweri people as freeholders gave a lease to CDC, at the end of the lease, the land should revert to Bakweri people just like the Hong Kong case. I am not sure if government has acquired the CDC lands using one of its powers or not. I do not have facts about CDC lands hence cannot comment specifically. Unfortunately, I must limit myself to general principles. For us to concentrate on ownership without stating of what would be to confuse the issue. There can be various owners of different interest on the same land at the same time e.g. different legal owner, different beneficial owner, different freehold owner, different leasehold owner etc etc. They are all owners but of different interest in the same land at the same time. There is also the aspect of tenants in common, joint tenants and the issue of the rule of survivorship. In summary, a land does not have only one owner at a point in time. There can be many owners as stated above. Regards Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:43:16 +0100 From: louis_egbe@yahoo.co.uk Subject: State and Private Ownership of Land To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com; ambasbay@googlegroups.com CC: fakonation@yahoogroups.com; fako_uk@yahoogroups.com; fakonet@yahoogroups.com; lilolaphako@yahoogroups.com
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