From: PAP Communications Team <presidentayah@gmail.com>
To: cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 21:00
Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Paul Ayah - MAURICE KAMTO : SOUTIEN L'HOMOSEXUATE
Mr Katte,
I thought I was polite in my reply. But you have come out wholly
vindicating me in my affirmation that your vaunted education is
half-baked and lame. If your anal children have not inherited your
abnormal genes, there should be one in a nursery school to teach you
that the "ill-educated/informed"..."too have their story". This is
what I meant by the extract from desiderata which may have tantalized
your bestial instincts.
You should be one of the misfits of our society taking refuge in some
foreign country where the citizens, from sustained energy, have
developed their country; and you are there to clean up their sewage
system. Tired of the stench, you have now embarked on the promotion of
homosexuality in consideration of immoral earnings for your daily
bread.
I am not used to your low level, but I know the one fact that it is at
times necessary to descend to the arena of dunces and speak their
language for better comprehension.
If you did not copy at examinations with the result that you today
hold blank dirty papers in the name of certificates, you would simply
have answered my question whether you are the issue of anal sex,
indelibly smeared with shit at birth. You could not have failed to
understand the question about how many anal issues you have
either!...Na true say free internet go do wandas!
Take this for your desert! Every child is born of a woman, even Jesus
the Lord. By your own admission, you were born of a man/woman,
unnaturally: monstrously sub-human, and erratically irrational!
AYAH P ABINE
On 12/4/12, Vic Katte <
vickatte@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello Mr Paul Ayah,
>
> To say that this is the most incoherent and rambling argumentation in favour
> of homophobia I have ever come across is to understate the point. None of
> the points you touched on was taken to a logical conclusion - from the point
> about Jesus and fishermen to the point about DOG, etc. They all seem to come
> from a very underprepared and ill-educated/informed mind. It is a shame that
> we have people of your ilk at high office in Cameroon and claiming to
> represent the ordinary, if this is the best sort of argumentation one can
> get from our "top" elected officials.
>
> I asked a simple question, a question that bears on the moral. Please, allow
> me to rephrase it. Taking morality as the sum total of human consensus that
> prescribe and promote human flourishing, in what way does homosexuality
> infringe on such morality. To put it simply for you, in what way is society
> or anyone hurt or disadvantaged by two or more people consenting in
> homosexual acts in the privacy of their homes?
>
> If you can manage to think your way through the above question, maybe you
> would be in a position to attempt the second question, namely;
>
>
> Does it make legal sense to proscribe an act that has no victim?
>
> As an ex-ENAM, will some legal training, I am quite looking forward to how
> you deal with this question. I an hoping I will not be disappointed.
>
>
> Vic Katte
>>"Easy is the road that leads to benightedness, superstitions and
>> irrationalism". Victor Katte
>>
>>==============================================================
>>"The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle
>> it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous
>> and ridiculous. Is it, perchance, cherished by persons who should know
>> better? Then their folly should be brought out into the light of day, and
>> exhibited there in all its hideousness until they flee from it, hiding
>> their heads in shame.
>>
>>
>>True enough, even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He
>> has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases,
>> provided only he does not try to inflict them upon other men by force. He
>> has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out
>> of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he
>> has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do
>> not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred.
>> He has no right to preach them without challenge." Mencken
>>
>>
>>Emancipate yourself from mental slavery - none but yourself can free your
>> mind.
>>
>>
>>"Most people would rather die than think. And most people do" Bertrand
>> Russell.
>>
>>
>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY5FcCQ8BIg>>
>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4YrvDslraw&NR=1>>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: PAP Communications Team <
presidentayah@gmail.com>
> To:
cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012, 23:34
> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Paul Ayah - MAURICE KAMTO : SOUTIEN
> L'HOMOSEXUATE
>
> Dear Vic Katte,
>
> You sounded like one with more than just a terminal degree. But with
> due respect, I must confess that your erudition is essentially lame.
>
> You woefully missed the point that, in matters of morality, great
> learning is hardly ever a condition sine qua non. You may wish to
> learn, if not a Christian you are, that Jesus just came upon fishermen
> and made them fishers of men. Nor were the abhorred tax-collectors
> left behind. These men contrast squarely with the learned person you
> claim you are. Therefore may you wish to apply your mind to the wise
> saying that you should "listen to the dull and the ignorant (as) they
> too have their story". That, one would hold, is the core of the
> matter.
>
> May you also wish to condescend to admit that the finality of the
> natural is the desired outcome of natural interactions. The desired
> result remains unaffected by blighted minds from whatever impairment
> and for whatever consideration. Your holding to the contrary would
> only make sense if you tell the world that you are the anal issue of
> your father. And you would be no less convincing if you declared that
> your mother is/was a DOG and that you are the offspring of your
> DOG-mother through anal sex. The long and short of it all is that
> distorting the natural is unnatural!
>
> You are at liberty of course to give yourself up to ephemeral
> unnatural gains in distortion of the natural such as pecuniary
> mercenary interest. But the reality the real philosopher would always
> have at the back of his mind is the ultimate futility: the vanities of
> vanities!
>
> Such are irrefutable facts that never can be glossed over by your
> thesis in justification of your practice of homosexuality. The next
> time you wish to write upholding homosexuality and ridiculing the
> uneducated who hold otherwise, you may wish to begin by telling the
> world how many anal issues you have first. Not like empty vessels! And
> more than just wretched!
>
> AYAH Paul ABINE
>
>
>
> On 12/2/12, Vic Katte <
vickatte@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hello Mr Paul Ayah,
>>
>> I must say that I am particularly shocked that as a potential statesman
>> you
>> still hold some of the most benighted views regard homosexuality, even
>> going
>> to the extraordinary attempt to equating it with animals sex. It seems to
>> me
>> that you have either not spend any time to really think about the
>> subject,
>> guided solely ingrained traditional prejudices, or you have been led up
>> the
>> wrong epistemic path through flawed thinking or irrational
>> indoctrination.
>>
>> Your very first statement ("L'hommosexualité est contre la nature.")
>> reveals
>> just how ill-informed or educated you are. If we take nature to be the
>> entirety of reality, then anything everything that happens within this
>> reality is consistent with nature. Thus nothing can ever be said to be
>> "against nature" as everything with reality is part of nature. Thus
>> eating
>> meat, killing once father, having sex with animals, eat human flesh,
>> being
>> in love with your husband/wife, feeding the poor, climbing mountains,
>> thousands dying in a natural disaster, having sex with ten people at the
>> same time, drinking human blood, etc, etc. All of these and in fact,
>> everything you can every think of is part of the natural realm. Nothing,
>> but
>> nothing within reality can ever be unnatural or against nature. So to
>> impugn
>> homosexuality on the grounds that it is unnatural or against nature is to
>> commit a gross intellectual fallacy, and obviously I need not remind you
>> of
>> the
>> dangers of building public policy of falsehoods.
>>
>> Now, to say that everything is natural is a far cry from saying that is
>> it
>> desirable or to be sought after. Thus, having sex with animals, while
>> natural is undesirable, not least because animals cannot give their
>> consent
>> to the act, thus making it immoral. Killing other humans, while natural,
>> is
>> ill-advised, undesirable and immoral because such acts deprive others of
>> their right to life.
>>
>> Now, I have used the word "moral"/"immoral" above, but what do I need by
>> it
>> and should morality be the guiding principle by which we lead our lives?
>> By
>> morality, I mean a collective consensus derived by deliberation and
>> discussion about what makes humankind lead a flourishing existence
>> without
>> infringing on the needs and rights of our fellow humans.
>>
>> On the above definition, the homosexuals who engage in their acts of love
>> towards their partners in a consensual and is a position to give full
>> unforced consent is not engaging in an immoral act. If this is too hard
>> for
>> you to understand and or digest, simply ask yourself the following
>> question.
>> When two or more homosexuals, in the privacy of their rooms, engage in
>> consensual homosexual acts, in what way does this act hurt or harm anyone
>> or
>> society? If it does not harm or hurt anyone or society, in what way can
>> it
>> be said to be immoral?
>>
>> Or are you simply grossed out by imagining the act, say of a man
>> penetrating
>> another man through their anus? If this is your problem, be informed that
>> many millions of heterosexual couples perform anal sex as part of their
>> standard sexual expression. Would you like to put a bar against this act
>> as
>> well, or is anal sex only allowed in the context of a married
>> heterosexual
>> monogamous union.
>>
>> Hope the above helps you sort out your thinking and move to the side of
>> freedom and liberty.
>>
>>
>> Vic Katte
>>>"Easy is the road that leads to benightedness, superstitions and
>>> irrationalism". Victor Katte
>>>
>>>==============================================================
>>>"The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to
>>> tackle
>>> it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever
>>> infamous
>>> and ridiculous. Is it, perchance, cherished by persons who should know
>>> better? Then their folly should be brought out into the light of day,
>>> and
>>> exhibited there in all its hideousness until they flee from it, hiding
>>> their heads in shame.
>>>
>>>
>>>True enough, even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He
>>> has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he
>>> pleases,
>>> provided only he does not try to inflict them upon other men by force.
>>> He
>>> has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out
>>> of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly
>>> he
>>> has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do
>>> not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred.
>>> He has no right to preach them without challenge." Mencken
>>>
>>>
>>>Emancipate yourself from mental slavery - none but yourself can free your
>>> mind.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Most people would rather die than think. And most people do" Bertrand
>>> Russell.
>>>
>>>
>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY5FcCQ8BIg>>>
>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4YrvDslraw&NR=1>>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: PAP Communications Team <
presidentayah@gmail.com>
>> To:
cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2012, 22:45
>> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] MAURICE KAMTO : SOUTIEN L'HOMOSEXUATE
>>
>> L'hommosexualité est contre la nature. L'occident et ses représentants
>> africains phantomes doivent nous présenter la troisieme partie de la
>> Bible; car l'Occident nous a présenté les deux parties de la Bible
>> pour justifier la condamnation de la poligamie. Or la poligamie n'est
>> pas contre la nature.
>>
>> Ce n'est pas parcequ'Obama s'est identifié avec l'hommosexualité pour
>> pouvoir gagner élection que nous africains purs devons suivre ses pas.
>> En s'attribuant le monopole du raisonnement rationnel l''hommel doit
>> se placer au dessus de l'animal sauvage. Si un coq s'abstient de
>> monter sur un coq, et la poule sur une poule, la raison doit nous
>> obliger a nous comporter mieux.
>>
>> C'est vraiment dommage que l'homme se dit croyant alors meme qu'il
>> traite son createur avec tant de mépris. Il est vrai que nous parlons
>> aujourd'hui de village global. Mais n'oublions pas que Dieu est
>> immuable a l'égad de tous! Y compris l'homme politique! Il est
>> regrettable de penser autrement!
>>
>> Quel exemple!
>>
>> AYAH Paul ABINE
>>
>> On 12/2/12, Sismondi Barlev Bidjocka <
sismondi2@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>
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>>> MAURICE
>>> KAMTO : SOUTIEN L'HOMOSEXUATE
>>>
>>> « JE
>>> NE SUIS PAS CONTRE HOMOSEXUALITE »
>>>
>>>
http://rjcpatriote.centerblog.net/696-maurice-kamto-soutien-homosexualite>>>
>>> Le président du MRC était sur le plateau de Canal 2 ce
>>> soir, et il a dit qu'il faut laisser les gens qui ont des tendances
>>> naturelles…Monsieur
>>> Kamto vous êtes seul dans votre film, et la jeunesse vous dit NON !!
>>> Sismondi Barlev Bidjocka
>>> Journaliste Éditorialiste Écrivain
>>> Porte-Parole de la jeunesse Camerounaise
>>> Tél : 00 237 77 85 89 19
>>> Dom: 00 237 22 17 70 89
>>> mail:
sismondi2@yahoo.fr>>>
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>>
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Cameroon."Hon. AYAH Paul ABINE, Cameroon 2011 Presidential Candidate and
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