Complete Conversation: On Saints and Sainthood: Who is a Saint?

Question N° 2/10. From Bara
Who are saints? What is your view on the part they play in the lives of Christians? Are there Saints as there are Christians names? The saints and sainthood constitute yest another misconstruction of the bible de...See More (4 photos)
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  • Ntemfac Ofege Bara Lainso. While the Roman catholic Church has its own definition of a Saint as a Holy MAN and has its own standards of measuring that holiness (even dead some miracle could be attributed to the the said Saint), the Lord God is no respecter of persons. As far as God is concerned all who LOVE HIM and prove their LOVE by BELIEVING in the SACRIFICE of the Lord Jesus are SAINTS. By the WORD of God and, hence the WILL of God, all Christians - DEAD or ALIVE are SAINTS. The reason is that the LORD God says of BELIEVERS that they are HOLY. Not that they WILL be HOLY. They are HOLY because of their FAITH. 1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1. CHOSEN. 2. Royalty 3 Priests 4. Holy 5 Peculiar 6. CALLED. Peculiar Chidi Samuel. Olubunmi Peculiar Consults Ayeni. King Aluan. Tarh Paddy King. King Ade-nche.
  • Judas Case · Friends with Nfor N Susungi and 373 others
    saints are saints. what do you think the catholic church says about saints? just maybe you are misunderstanding what they are talking about. or do you have any personal issue againgst the Roman catholict church?
  • Yung Julia A Why do u like criticizing the Catholic Church? Have they forced you or anyone to belief in them? Praise God the way you want and leave the Catholic Church in Peace
  • Arrey Martins the roman catholic church is noted for delibrately misleading people. it is sacriligious that after 7 years in the seminary, these people lack basic knowledge and cannot undertand simple defination. the truth is that catholic church is an organisation interested in land, property and title and not interested in righteousness. I challenge the Pope to prove me wrong and another Thesis will be out
  • Arrey Martins it was one of the Bishop in Cameroon, whomi do not want to mension the name( but if you doubt the validity of what am saying challenge me and i will give his full name with substantiation) and who is in Yaounde, that supported the Maputo protocol that legalises Lesbianisn and homosexuality.
  • Ntemfac Ofege And when it is considered that the dead are truly DEAD and they cannot come back to perform MIRACLES then the source of the so*called MIRACLES by Dead POPES can only be Satanic. Ec 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.
  • Ntemfac Ofege Only the devilish can INVOKE the dead to perform miracles.
  • King Aluan all i can say is you are confuse
  • Efuet Atem topics like dis i really don't like commenting, but my advice is DO WHAT EVER YOU, asking urself "IF IT WAS CHRIST JESUS, WHAT WOULD HE (CHRIST) HAD DONE?"
  • Efuet Atem e church is not e Pope nor the Bishop, so do not be confused, i will end here, but my advice is ask God for help. at times we do things out of ignorance.
  • King Ade-nche Well The topic of SAINTS is so slippery to draw a line separating them from those who actually sleep and stay mute until judgement day! I think this topic in the catholic church can be best understood within the context of church doctrine rather than referring to biblical verse/context. The etymology of SAINTS within the catholic church will guide you to its real meaning as it is. Sometime I ask my brethren why not think that the word of God is best understood in context, people become what I term "biblistics" understanding without context. Other become "churchistics" pointing at people acts and linking them to a whole body, then giving it the worst interpretation..like Catholics are this and that. Because Bishop has done this and that, it's the catholic church that is bad...Should I say because a pentecostal pastor rape a 10yrs old girl at his residence who came for deliverance, means all Pentecostals are worst? Know that a church is a body...no one is perfect and salvation is personal. I will keep saying this, Muslims believe in Almighty God and have their own channel of worshiping him, same like Christians, therefore wore to he/she who has been trained to condemn based on his/her own constructs and interpretations of the word, may I tell you will be surprise on that day to see many from religions they never thought mean anything marching into the glorious heaven why they get roasted into hell! What has the calling of saints got to do with me? does this makes me not keep having faith in Christ as my Lord and Savior?? I don't need to know much about saints but let the notion of saints be as it has a base that sustains the church doctrine. Remember not everything was written and till date many things are being reveal through visions to men who have taken greater steps into sanctity and lived a live of further observance of holiness than others. There is hierarchy in ever domain and you will in no way claim what a PhD fellow in a subject has research on or work on for years ,you just get up on morning and pick up your primary natural science book and start comparing with your limited knowledge. There are exceptions but they are never deviations!Take it further but don't sleep on the status quo for they had passed through that stage.Still I am not a "saintist" yet an a catholic, if it is a rank let it be so.
  • Cliff Forsang A saint is someone without sin. now the question is ; Is there any human without sin?' the bible says no. Does that mean no body can be a saint? No. we can become saints, first by repenting thus giving ALL your sins to christ who died on the cross for that. At that point you become a saint. not because you did not sin but because ALL your sins are forgiven you. thanks to Christ. Are we saints because we did good work? No. Any evil person can do a good work. Is doing good work bad? No. so the answer is A saint is any person who's sins are forgiven. You can become one by truely repenting. being true to your own self.
  • Cliff Forsang If you have any question email me cleef4@hotmail.com
  • Bara Lainso THis discussion is very interesting, but we should be responsible. The second part of the question was "Are there Saints as there are Christians names?". At times with the names of some saints, I want to believe thus! Can anyone clarify this!
  • Beryl Bongkwati Navti The same bible warns of those who will come in the end times quoting the bible and bad mouthing things they do not understand. The Catholic church may not be perfect, my friends ...point one that is....even worse are these preachers of wealth and prosperity....Jesus didn't own a Lear jet or it's equivent. Before preaching and quoting the bible which even the devil does, make sure you do not mislead or throw stones at anyone. The Lord Jesus was a humble man.
  • King Ade-nche Beryl I like your ideas! Preachers of "wealth and prosperity" beware!!! these are things people should focus on and leave those which has nothing to do with the direct lives of people like the saint's topic! There are SAINTS! of-course....and what does this got to do with ones faith? is this taking anyone to hell or to heaven just by believing or not????
  • King Ade-nche A saint,someone who has been recognized for having an exceptional degree of holiness, sanctity, and virtue. To my understanding, sometimes it's hard to determine while on is still alive as every human falls into sin and rises up again. The Catholic church might have decided to designate this after each personality following some miraculous signs after their death, that after due judgements by the core/inner room members, there was some unchallengeable reason to designate them as saints. But I think anyone can call him or herself SAINT if convicted to do you in the spirit.
  • Cliff Forsang We are not talking about Catholic church. we are not talking church. lets talk bible which is the bench mark. We can decide to give what ever tittle to who ever we want t, but we have to go back to the bible to search the truth about everything. Don't try to bypass the Word of God. then we will be left with the word of man. Go back to the bible and look for any answer.
  • Cliff Forsang ome claim to be Catholics while they are not. What is the meaning of Catholic?
  • Cliff Forsang It means Universal. The Body of Christ. It should therefore believe the Word, Who is Christ. I humbly advice every person who is really interested in God's Word to seek and he will find.
  • Cliff Forsang Jesus never preached church neither did the the Apostles. They all preached the Word of God not the word of group or congregation or church.
  • Ambe Nkanwi Fokwa actually specifically, Prophet Ofege is pointing out the misconception created about who a "saint" is by the "Roman Catholic" Church, meaning Universal Roman Church. All "Christian" churches today along with the Protestant Movement are descended from the Roman Catholic church. This is where the tainted doctrines existing in their system come from. The Roman Catholic Chruch was built entirely on an absorbtion of the Roman Empires religious traditions derived from all of the cultures it had conquered.
  • Ambe Nkanwi Fokwa Mr. Cliff Forsang it is good you feel that a return to the Bible is the best way to revive the churches today. BUT, the Bible in its 66 books were Canonized by the Pagan Roman Catholic Church with only particular books selected and verses intentionally mis-translated to support certain dogmas that fundamentally could not have been taught by any Hebrew, Jew or Jesus himself. A return to the Bible is not enough unless you will learn to read Hebrew and Greek in order to understand the original maniscripts before translation.
  • Cliff Forsang That is the only true source of the truth. Its not hard to read.
  • Ambe Nkanwi Fokwa If you returned to the Bible only anyway and it taught you clearly the Sabbath being changed from the 7th day of the week, to the 1st day of the week, by a decree from Caesar Constantine acting as a "pagan" emperor exercising authority to interprete the Bible, would you still justiy worshipping on Sunday?? Ok, many argue the Old Testament was done away by the New Testament in that regards, but if we are to accept this even though Jesus said 'not and iota of dot shall be removed from the Law and the Prophets til heaven and earth fall away,' then why are tithes still esacted from people when that too is an OT teaching from the days of Moses since the Levite Priests had an entitlement to a tenth of the harvest and livestock of the Hebrews? These are all fundamental questions that will rise when one considers the Bible should be the only source and at last you will discover one day when you will cease to segregate yourself from humanity by any religion that God is not limited to being interpreted by the words written in one ethnic groups ancient spiritual teachings, but following God is expressed by loving oneself and all of humanity and everything in Creation. These matters of what is true "Christianity" will make you a bigot and lead you into self-righteous isolation.
  • Cliff Forsang We the Catholics believe in the Bible, which is the Word of God and is God. We believe that Mary is the mother of Jesus. We be believe and take to her (Mary) advice. We obey her by going to Jesus to ask what ever we need; to know, to do, to request, to seek..... So if you are a Catholic, I advice you to obey the words of Mary. ' Go tho Jesus and do what ever He (Jesus) tells you to do'. we go to Jesus through his words. His words are available to those who truely seek the truth. I f instead you seek tha words of man, that is what you get. Dogma. WQhat someone wants you to believe. Lawyer refer to the penal code, should Christians not refer to the bible?
  • Cliff Forsang When the Jesus sets you free you are free indeed. The truth shall set you free. Lets get the truth and get free. Not remaining poor sinners all our lives. Jesus came for that and did it all on the cross.
  • Ambe Nkanwi Fokwa I didn't expect to get through to enlighten your soul. Remember it is logical fallacy by circular reasoning to say the Bible is the only source of truth because such and such verse "inside" the Bible says so. It's like me accepting you are right only because you also say you are. Or me saying Ambe is right because Ambe says so. It is preferable you make allusion to facts when you attempt to advance the certainty of your "beliefs." Otherwise it's just fanaticism and such a mind is not one at all to engage in intelectual discourse, but to voice only assertions of faith structured as grammatical sentences. Have you ever read the whole Bible before by the way?? I have; great recording of spiritual experiences collectively manifested amongst a nation. We can learn much from it, as with a broader study of human spiritually through understanding other spiritual paths and religious points of view. To rule it as the only source of truth however reflects an indoctrinated mind and portrays scholarly naietivity.
  • Cliff Forsang I believe the Bible is the Word of God and should be refered to for truth concerning Godlly issues. You are free to believe or not to. its your choice. Reading the bible all through is a good thing. I did but understanding what you read is even better.
  • Hyacienth Nguh Every devotions to Mary is unscriptural!
  • Judas Case · Friends with Nfor N Susungi and 373 others
    this whole argument is slowly but steadily loosing focus. Saint is our point of focus here. some one gave a great point earlier that we should strive to understand contextually before we can make accusations and stuff.now lets ask ourselves this question. do we have grand parents, friends , family members, political leaders, public figures, social activists and so on whom we remember? this is how i think we can begin to contextualize the whole idea of saints. But who are really saints, these are not the people who did only the great things, no but the people who did very common things in extra ordinary ways. THIS DOESN'T PUT THOSE WHO DID GREAT THINGS OUT OF THE PICTURE. and the catholic church has made it clear times without number, that there are so many other saints. we may only get the opportunity to meet if we get that chance to go to heaven. saints are real. put them in the context of your ancestors maybe you'll understand them better. i mean ancestors who did even the smallest things in extra ordinary ways. and to you hyacienth nguh if any one claims to respect me but does not stand up when my mother comes in, that person is a liar. i don't need to write it in front of my office as a post. Mary is the mother of Jesus. love Jesus and refuse to acknowledge Mary, i call you confused.
  • Southern Cameroons Ambasbay Whose REPORT do we believe? The Lord God's or the Roman catholic Church? The Word of God is the Will Of God and the word/will of God is in the Bible. Saint means HOLY or Righteous or Sanctified and, as far as God is concerned, every BELIEVER ie ALL who Believe and CONFESS the Lordship of Jesus is HOLY+Sanctified+A Righteousness of God. In fine, every BELIEVER of Christian is HOLY and a SAINT. God says the BELIEVER IS HOLY. NOT will be HOLY. 1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Why then does the Roman catholic Church, which, incidentally, put the Bible together turn around and violate the same Bible? This is RELIGION - False teaching and preaching. By the way, do we all know that by INVOKING dead people and spirits (in the name of Saints) to ANSWER our Prayers we are not only slighting the NAME of Jesus but we are actually indulging in witchcraft, wizardry and vile satanism?
  • Southern Cameroons Ambasbay I will expose further on the NAME of Jesus and how it applies to our prayers and boons to the almighty God IN THE NAME of Jesus rather than in the name of some obscure saint but the second part of Mr. Bara's query is equally intense: "Are there Saints as there are Christians names?". At times with the names of some saints, I want to believe thus! Can anyone clarify this! Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. The Lord God creates us FIRST in His SPIRIT before he FORMS us in the womb of our respective mother. And, to date, Papa God has made circa 20.000.000.000 children and NO TWO bare the SAME. Every one of God's children has a UNIQUE PERSONALITY. There is only one Jesus, ONLY ONE Ambe Nkanwi Fokwa. Only one Bara Lainso: ONLY ONE. Not even IDENTICAL TWINS are the same. Reason why every man/woman/child has a UNIQUE set of Fingerprints! Now when we die, if we are BORN-AGAIN or REGENERATED to have BELIEVE our now eternal SPIRIT returns to the maker, the body is dust but we can lose our SOULS. I am stating emphatically that NO TWO SAINTS or BELIEVERS or Christians are the SAME. The Heavenly Father not only knows those who are HIS BY NAME but he knows the name of each HAIR on their head. Hence there are as many SAINTS as There are the NAMES of Christians..not Christian NAMES. By the way do you want to be a believer? Do you desire ETERNAL LIFE? THEN READ ROMANS 10:8-13 ALOUD AND OUTLOUD. THEN DO THIS. BY FAITH IT WORKS. 4 STEPS to God
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  • Southern Cameroons Ambasbay Persons who indulge in praying to dead so-called saints and who request these so-called saints to pray for them are engaged in divination and necromancy. Deu: 18: 10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. 13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. Joh 11:22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
    Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. The Lord Jesus himself taught us how to make our boons and prayers directly to the FATHER in HIS NAME. Not in the name of Mary or the Name of some obscure so-called saint. In fact, we indulge in using other names because we do not know the POWER in the Name of Jesus and because we do not know who we are in Christ Jesus. You see, when you ask anything IN THE NAME of JESUS, you are STANDING IN THE PLACE OF JESUS and TALKING TO THE FATHER DIRECTLY. This is why the Lord God calls you..the Christian... a ROYAL-PRIEST..because you can now MARCH into his presence and TALK LOUD! This is why the veil in the temple that separated the Lord God from man got torn.
  • Tanyu Elvis Shey @Ambe take this scripture 1 Cor 1:18-29
    18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

    "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
    the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

    20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

    26 Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things — and the things that are not — to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him.
  • Tanyu Elvis Shey @Ambe, you claim all the other churches descended from the catholic church. Where was the Catholic church on the day of pentecost when Peter preached this first gospel message in Acts 2 after Jesus' resurrection? I don't see catholic church mentioned anywhere in the Bible. I see house churches and synagogues that the Apostles preached in. By the way Peter was married. Matt 8:14 "When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever" and 1 Cor 9:5 "Don't I have the right to follow the example of the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and Peter, by taking a Christian wife with me on my trips"?. The bible remains the standard by which everything is examined. We should be careful what we believe in. Mary never died on the cross for our sins. She also had to be born again in order to go to heaven according to John3:3-5.
  • Cliff Forsang Mr. Ambe is a good guy,, he is fighting for what he thinks is right.Saul did too but it took divine intervention to redirect his zeel towards the right thing. When that heppened he he preached to the people he was with and helped them. When Mr Ambe becomes Brother Ambe he will save alot of people. Let everyone be kind and nice to him, teaching with wisdom the Word og God. He has qualities and will have to use that in the body of Christ when he joins. Mr. Ambe I love you
  • Ntemfac Ofege This is the principle: What you know will condition what you think. What you think will condition what you BELIEVE. What you believe will condition what you say. What you say will condition what you do. And what you do will condition who you are. Knowledge FIRST. We are no longer in the days when the Roman catholic Church burnt people on the stakes for READING the Bible. The BIBLE is NOW Available to ALL and sundry. Rather than BLINDLY following Church doctrines and dogma..we should PAUSE, take time off..and actually READ what is in the Bible. Ac 17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all men everywhere to repent,
    DeeperLife Bible Church-New England. Most statements made here just came out because some people have not seen what is actually in the Bible. Except they are atheists who do not believe that there is a God let alone that the Bible is the Word and the Will of God. William Mankefor. Lily Williams. Cecelia Williams. Ayouni Williams Godinme Yelen. William Etta.
  • Joseph Oscar Wanye no body is perfect thats what i know as for the saints my point of view are young childrens
  • Tanyu Elvis Shey Saints are simply those who are born again and living an obedient life in Jesus Christ. You do not become a saint after death but before death. Same as you cannot become born again after death but before death. The bible says in Hebrews 9:27 that "it it appointed unto man to die once and after that the judgement". So after death is judgement not repentance so purgatory is a big deception. It is here on earth that you decide on your eternal fate. God bless you all brethren and future brethren in the Lord. I love u all.
  • King Ade-nche Everyone can read the bible insofar as you are literate...intepreting the words of the bible is what makes the difffference! some reason it through their teachers, some through thier perceptual filters, some through bodies they believe on. the prolem now is that some people are claiming that they know the bible more than others, who told you you are better is what wanders me till date????? make your sense and leave it to others to see it their own way...if we debate lets do so, only to share our views, no forcing of your shit points unto anyone here...whatever u re am not interested, i read you from what you say and what reason you make out of what anyone can see his own way,yet none is wrong till then.
  • Ambe Nkanwi Fokwa King Ade-nche has said it all for me. To "me" the manifestation is to wonderful to limit my reasoning to the perception of "my holy book' is better than yours. This is the New Age and many who still hold to past orthodoxies will only find their logic, well, is outdated except to those who will force themselves to remain ignorant of the wealth of wisdom the world has expanded into in the last let's say 60 years. I respect everyone's point of view especially when they can back it objectively. To not respect someones point of view because they don't reason ONLY from the Bible as the ONLY self professed word of God is pigheaded. Jesus himself befriended Samarians and members of other religious points of view because he knew unlike those professing to be his die-hard believers, Salvation is not something you merit just by being a "Christian." Many have fallen into this trap of being self-righteous because they can quote verse such an such, but their intolerance makes them no better than the Pharisees and even far worse than those who wear bombs to kill others because they don't believe in the supremacy of their "holy book" and prophet.
  • King Ade-nche Ambe my bros, like your insights... what amazes me is are we trying to bring to light our own meanings of the SAINTs or we are out to disprove others way of using the same? Tell us what it is to you, I mean just you or your mentors(those who gave to you that pipe to see it through like another, or are u seeing it through your own perceptual filters bring it on!!! Someone may learn something from you if you come void of insulting or trying to disprove what u have completely nothing to make heard from that stance. Yes you are a saint..tell us why u believe so, support it with the word if you want but don't become "biblistic" or "churchistic" this a disease of the ignorant, the worst form of foolishness....spiritual blindness....
  • Ambe Nkanwi Fokwa Im not insulting anyone, Ade-nche, just deflecting un-based assertions. We should not be fast to judge who is a "believer" or who is "saved." To do so is self-righteous and casts off the impression one is certain they are on the Path while others are perishing. Jesus himself said the only way to know his true followers would be by their works and by the LOVE they would show for all. So this is the mark of "Sainthood." AS FOOD FOR THOUGHT: The false apostle Paul came along and formed the first Church in Antioch and then was abandoned by Barnabas and the other true Apostles the Messi had taught personally because he sought to mix all sorts of corrupt ideas into the Way Jesus had established as the Path to the Kingdom, starting with a conflict over circumcision and whether it was OK to eat food offered to idols, a practiced denounced by the 10 Commandments. The Church you have today is based on his philosophy of condoning apostasy where Jesus would not have leading to the clash in doctrines existing today. Until you can see this, you might as well be a "Roman Catholic Christian" or a follower of a lesser Protestant denomination, but not a true follower of Jesus. The head of the Roman Catholic Church is the Pope and protestants indirectly adhere to their pastors and the pope. lol. Total recognition of division indicates a lack of total love. Jesus never started a Church in the organized sense understood today. He was a Jewish rabbi who expounded on the teaching of the Kingdom of God from the understanding of the initiate Essene teachings men like John the Baptist preached. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on his disciples at Pentecost AD 30 (or AD 33) was the beginning of what may be considered the church of the Messi (Aramaic) or Church of Christ, but his disciples were still Jewish and held to the Hebraic Law of Moses, converts were called proselytes and they were referred to as "the sect of the Nazarenes." Jesus said anyone who broke away from the Mosaic Law or commandments would be considered least in the Kingdom of God. Paul did just this. So according to Jesus I guess Paul should not have been a "canonized" saint. Jesus said many will come after him to his disciples saying "I am he" or claiming to have been sent by Jesus, but Jesus said they would all be false prophets, disguising themselves an angels of light. Paul claimed to have had a vision of Jesus justifying himself as more of an authority on the Way Jesus taught, than the 11 remaining disciples who he had lived with for 3 years teaching. Yes Paul had a purpose to be used by God so at least a glimmer of the work of the Messi would reach the rest of humanity today, but this is the source of all of this debate about what is right from the basis of the "Bible" or not and has lead to the clouding of the teaching from the Messi that all of God's created people who live by the highest commandment that totals the others, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" are the true saints. Understanding and practicing this law alone makes the Bible and everyother spiritual text null and void. Someone said something about reading the Bible and understanding it being at variance. This is true, but to understand what you have not read by others interpretation of what you read leads one to even more confusion. Study the Bible as a follower of the Messi, not as a member of some modern day Church or attached to some quotations about whether you must be "born again" or not. Live the life and learn from everyone who has a point to make especially those who allow you to speak your "opinion" silently before responding. This means you can best read and understand the Bible by reading it alone by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, not under the influence of denominational doctrine. The rest is history. The truth is those who LOVE one another are SAINTS. To see this you need accurate knowledge.
  • Cliff Forsang This is the vain arguement the bible talks. It leads us nowhere.
  • Cliff Forsang God so love the world so much so that he gave his only so that who SO EVER believes ih Him will be saved. I do believe in Him and Im sure i am save. You can say for your self if you are a believer or a doubter or an argue-er. I believe and I am saved. Others believe and they are saved. Other don't believe and think it is impossible to be saved. No. Christ came for that. He opened the door for ALL who take the firm decision to believe. Let philosophers argue how they want but it is this simple. When you decide to get simple you will get it.
  • Cliff Forsang Come and join the saints, we love you.
  • King Ade-nche Ambe bro we are saying the same thing, my man! I buy all you ideas am totally joining u against those who rush into judging others when they know nothing! That why I refer to them as churchistics n biblistics. Thanks for illuminating more on this man.
  • Tanyu Elvis Shey @Ambe you seem to be undecided or rather unclear about who you belive or what you believe in from what I read. Your last line is very true bc the bible says so. No one can pretend b4 God and love for others is a sign that one belongs to him and besides it is the greatest commandment. But when u attack the very word by which u exist by saying it is null and void then u automatically disqualify urself from being its very judge. Beware what you say about the word of God bc it shall turn around to proove itself correct to you. No one can fight against it and not be challenged by it. My question o you is who do you believe in?. The new age gurus and their new age doctrines or Jesus who remains thesame yesterday today and forever. Jesus loves and will always do. I trust he will touch your heart and that day u will know the true measure of your knowledge against his. It shall be a day of regret and same time joy for you. Jesus loves you.
  • Tanyu Elvis Shey @King Ade-Nche, for a fact some people know the bible more than others. In other words some peopple know God more than others that is why the bible talks of gifts of teaching and preaching. Thats the reason why the Israelites depended on Moses. What you are saying is you knew thesame like all your teachers before they even taught you. Jesus taught his disciples who in turn taught others and that is how Christianity spread. Who can know about something if he is not taught that thing by any means what so ever. You can be taught by someone, or by the Holy spirit 1 John 2:27. God bless u bro
  • Cliff Forsang I'm back. Bring ALL your sin to Christ and you will become a saint no matter how red your sins are, he can make you as white as snow. Jesus said so and I firmly believe Him. I f you think you still have your sins it is because you have NOT brought them to him. Once you do that you will become sinless for he takes away the sins of the world.
  • Cliff Forsang If you keep yours, then you will have them till the day you decide (like others) to get them forgiven and whipped from your record. Never think that because you still have yours every body must have theirs too. So brother Christianity it that simple. Reading the whole bible hundred times without understanding is not too helpful, but you can do like the Ethiopian treasurer who was reading without understanding. He was honest enough to speak the truth, and once he did that, Apostle Phillip preached the truth which he grabbed instantly and then asked to be Baptized.

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