Re: [camnetwork] Re: Jonathan Awasom vindicated by a Local Bamendrous Newspaper

I did not think you would know who a prophet is...but yes...Ntemfac A.
Nchwete Ofege. Definitely.
It is always fascinating how some folks in these set of chambers talk
about things they know precious little about.
It is also fascinating how this Tagne man would sound off about
someone he has never met in his entire life.
Mr Tagne, I would not recognise you from Adam yet you claim to know me.
No you do not.
I am a complete mystery to you and your ilk.
I will forever remain a mystery to you..even after you read all you
can about me.

On 1/3/13, Jean-Bosco Tagne <jtagne@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Someone like you Ofege Ntemfac Nchwete of course! Don't you make miracles
> happen day in day out in our beloved country call Cameroon?
>
> You created a nation call "Bimbia" right here on Camnet and who are those
> people who will try to play with our prophet journalist fora celebrity? Not
> me indeed. Keep the good work since you entered CRTV as vice whatever you
> were at the age of 21. By the way that was a station belonging to the
> republic of Cameroon after your nation of "Bimbia" rejected you. That is
> what my research have been telling me for the past 20 years. Am I mistaken
> my dear prophet of "Bimbia" on the territory of la republic since ages with
> no other places to go?
>
> Yes Ofege is our PROPHET...
>
> Stay away from Rev. Awasom Ntemfac if not you will "recevoir some balles
> perdues" and it will not be good for your already damaged Psych.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
> To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: "ambasbay@googlegroups.com" <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>;
> "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Re: Jonathan Awasom vindicated by a Local
> Bamendrous Newspaper
>
> Simple Question: Who is a prophet?
> Do all the research you can and answer me in as many pages as you can.
>
> On 1/3/13, Jean-Bosco Tagne <jtagne@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And you are quallified to be a "prophet of anything whatsoever"...
>> See who is talking!!!
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
>> To: ambasbay@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: "camnetwork@yahoogroups.com" <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>;
>> "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com" <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:34 AM
>> Subject: [camnetwork] Re: Jonathan Awasom vindicated by a Local
>> Bamendrous
>> Newspaper
>>
>> The church as the BODY OF CHRIST is per force founded-grounded on the
>> WORD OF GOD. And the WORD of GOD (both the written and the spoken word
>> of God)..changeth not.
>> When man, for self-serving and self-seeking motives, engages in a
>> so-called REFORM of a RELIGION ORGANISATION..the issue is no longer
>> Christian..but politics and a Luciferian attempt at overthrowing the
>> institution.
>> Then again, the so-called REFORMER must know what he/she is talking
>> about: Not spreading blackmail+falsehood+gossip around and about in
>> the name of reform.
>> Whereas spreading blackmail+falsehood+gossip around is vintage Jonathan
>> Awasom.
>> And, this from a position of having very dirty hands.
>> We are not talking Christian adjustments based on the revelational
>> knowledge from the Word of God and thence the WILL of the Lord God.
>> We are talking about carnal+vile+crass+self-seeking+serving+futile
>> blackmail from ONLY Jonathan Awasom who is not qualified to pastor
>> anything whatsoever.
>> Because the pastoral calling is not about REFORMATION..but about
>> shepherding the flock.
>>
>> On 1/3/13, Mishe Fon <mishefon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> A local tabloid in Bamenda vindicates our very own Jonathan Awasom. I
>>> would
>>> advice him to frame this newspaper article for posterity. Although the
>>> article was written last year, it is still good to know that there are
>>> some
>>> people who believe in the "strange" politics and religiosity of massa
>>> Awasom. The ex-reverend gentleman may have been right all along about
>>> the
>>> rampant corruption and nepotism at the PCC. Pa Awas, this is your New
>>> Year
>>> gift from me ya grang frere...Mishe Fon NB: This is in no
>>> way
>>> an
>>> endorsement of your very bad fashion.
>>>
>>> Manawa Newspaper:
>>> That PCC Decision
>>> Sanctioning Pastor Wara & Two Other 'Recalcitrant' Pastors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Change is the only thing that is permanent. When Rev.
>>> Festus Ambe Asana became Moderator of the Presbyterian Church in
>>> Cameroon
>>> PCC,
>>> he announced that change had come to the PCC. He was not blowing hot
>>> air.
>>> Within
>>> months of his leadership the axe fell on a good number of PCC
>>> methuselahs
>>> who
>>> initially considered themselves untouchable. A good number of them had
>>> become
>>> brazenly corrupt. The decision was highly acclaimed. Even before the
>>> Moderator
>>> took this commendable step, a majority of PCC vote holders were already
>>> shifting
>>> uneasily on their seats. The crusade against corruption in the church
>>> was
>>> already underway championed by Ntumfor Nico Halle.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 3, Rev Festus
>>> Asana took another very dramatic decision. He authenticated albeit
>>> tacitly,
>>> sanctions on three 'recalcitrant' pastors. The three are Rev. Solomon
>>> Wara
>>> and
>>> Rev Tokabo Divine. Rev Adose Osage, one of the sanctioned pastors will
>>> have
>>> to
>>> reimburse a sum of 10 million FCFA to the PCC. MANAWA has no quarrel
>>> with
>>> the
>>> PCC Moderator who made the pronouncements on the heels of the graduation
>>> ceremony of 24 student pastors from the Presbyterian Seminary in Kumba.
>>>
>>> During the occasion, Rev. Dr.
>>> Muyoh Joshua, Dean of Studies at the Theological seminary urged the
>>> graduating
>>> pastors to abide by their calling. In his sermon, the Right
>>> Reverend Festus Ambe Asana harped on his philosophy of change. He
>>> described
>>> the
>>> sanctioned pastors as 'bad seeds' and urged the graduating pastors not
>>> to
>>> emulate their examples.
>>>
>>> Is Pastor Wara Really a Bad Seed?
>>>
>>> Rev. Solomon Wara is a
>>> household name not only in Bamenda where he resides, but far and wide.
>>> His
>>> ministry recently received an award from Cameroon Post International, a
>>> renowned
>>> English language newspaper as the best in healing and deliverance. The
>>> testimonies of people he has delivered and healed are there as proof.
>>> There
>>> must
>>> be something good in something whom almost everyone speaks good of, just
>>> as
>>> there must be something evil about anyone whom everybody condemns.
>>>
>>> Pastor Wara is different from
>>> other healing and delivering evangelists in that he never discourages
>>> those
>>> seeking healing from taking their drugs. Many others tell those who come
>>> for
>>> healing and deliverance that they don't need to spend any money in
>>> hospital,
>>> indirectly saying the money with which the patient should have gone to
>>> hospital
>>> should be given to their churches. That is outright feymania.
>>> Deliverance
>>> is
>>> necessary for people who have spiritual problems; the doctor attends to
>>> physical
>>> problems. Preachers, who give the impression that doctors are useless,
>>> greatly
>>> misdirect those coming for deliverance.
>>>
>>> Polyclinics, renowned for the
>>> handling of HIV cases, told Chronicle that a sero-positive patient who
>>> had
>>> been
>>> put on anti-retroviral drugs, came to him after a deliverance session
>>> saying
>>> he
>>> should test her; that she had been miraculously cured of AIDS. Of
>>> course,
>>> he
>>> did
>>> the test and she still proved sero-positive. This is not to say that
>>> people
>>> cannot be cured miraculously. This depends on the degree of the
>>> patient's
>>> faith
>>> and Pastor Wara never fails to point this out. Many patients with
>>> doubtful
>>> faith
>>> have died because they stopped taking their drugs with the misconception
>>> that
>>> they had been cured simply because they have attended deliverance
>>> services
>>> and/or crusades. To say that Pastor Wara is a realistic and sincere
>>> evangelist
>>> is to call things by their true names.
>>>
>>> The PCC Failing to Learn From the Bible and
>>> History
>>>
>>> History has been defined simply
>>> as the story of the past events of man. History scholars commend studies
>>> on
>>> man's past so that he can cope with the present and plan for a better
>>> future
>>> avoid the errors of the past. History is repetitive, sometimes refusing
>>> to
>>> make
>>> sense, says W.B. Yeats. PCC authorities forget that the Protestant
>>> church
>>> came
>>> into existence thanks to Martin Luther who wrote 95 points against the
>>> Catholic
>>> Church for the sale of indulgences. He pasted them on the wall of the
>>> Catholic
>>> Church in Wattenberg, Germany. That was the beginning of the
>>> Reformation.
>>> But
>>> what many people don't know is that Martin Luther died still a Catholic.
>>> But
>>> the
>>> seed of discord he had sown grew. Today we have not only the Protestant
>>> and
>>> Baptist churches, but myriads of worship houses and ministries. W.H.
>>> Auden,
>>> an English poet,
>>> was not far from the point when he wrote that most of the confusion in
>>> the
>>> world
>>> today stems from Martin Luther's rebellion against the established
>>> church.
>>>
>>> The PCC should therefore learn
>>> from the fact that Martin Luther died a catholic, a lesson that we
>>> should
>>> learn
>>> to tolerate dissenting views within the same community or organization
>>> if
>>> we
>>> want a healthy society. The PCC should recall what happened in the case
>>> of
>>> pastors with dissenting voices like the late Michael Bame Bame and Rev.
>>> Jonathan
>>> Awasom. Rev Bame Bame started the Revivalist Movement in the
>>> Presbyterian
>>> Church
>>> because of such vices like corruption, immorality and even occultism
>>> which
>>> had
>>> taken root in the church. He was condemned outright and sanctioned.
>>> Today,
>>> the
>>> PCC is implementing most of the reforms he proposed.
>>>
>>> Rev. Jonathan Awasom, like
>>> Pastor Wara was PCC Pastor in Bambili. The church tried to victimize him
>>> when he
>>> came up with his own reformatory ideas. He was expelled and derobed.
>>> Today,
>>> he is based
>>> somewhere in the U.S. His victimization hastened his departure. Today,
>>> he
>>> is
>>> away from the
>>> scene but his ideas live on.
>>>
>>> The PCC hierarchy appears not
>>> to have also learnt from the very Bible it uses for evangelization, when
>>> the
>>> disciples were preaching and some authorities tried to victimize them.
>>> Other
>>> more sensible persons thought otherwise. "If these men are of God, they
>>> will
>>> succeed. If they are not they will come to naught"; was the advice from
>>> the
>>> sensible ones. If all what Pastor Wara and other deliverance pastors are
>>> doing
>>> are not of the Lord, everything would come to naught. But the PCC
>>> hierarchy
>>> has
>>> decided to take a position in a matter which is God's prerogative.
>>>
>>> The Necessity to Respect Vows
>>>
>>> The above analysis is by no
>>> means an encouragement for insubordination. People should respect the
>>> vows
>>> they
>>> take at graduation. Going against them is breaking a covenant. If God
>>> protects
>>> the people of Israel to this day it is because He entered into a
>>> covenant
>>> with
>>> Abraham, the ancestor of the Israelites. The failure to respect vows is
>>> the
>>> cause of the regrettable situation in the Catholic Church today. Priests
>>> who
>>> took vows of chastity and celebrity are today not only openly involved
>>> in
>>> immorality with women many of them married, some priests even get
>>> married.
>>> We
>>> have also the more deplorable cases of child sexual molestation; male
>>> children
>>> to be more specific.
>>>
>>> But the vows whose breakings
>>> are even more serious are those related to respect for hierarchy and the
>>> tenets
>>> of church teachings. Failure to keep them, especially those related to
>>> preaching
>>> can be disastrous. The case of Father Etienne Nkumba of Bonjongo Paris
>>> in
>>> Fako
>>> is a good example. It was Bishop Pius Awa who ordained him. Father
>>> Etienne
>>> eventually became a healing priest, ignoring his hierarchy. Of course,
>>> Bishop
>>> Awa suspended him. Today all his preachings and healing have come to
>>> naught.
>>>
>>> Every individual has the right
>>> to choose the path of his salvation. If you find the doctrine of the
>>> religious
>>> establishment you were ordained to serve no longer palatable, officially
>>> resign
>>> and start your own denomination. That is far better than creating a
>>> controversy
>>> and waiting to be sanctioned. Pastor Wara attained a level of popularity
>>> which
>>> only Rev. Bame Bame reached. He certainly received warnings and
>>> admonition
>>> from
>>> his hierarchy. But for some unexplained reason, he continued what he was
>>> doing.
>>> Many of his supporters see the sanction taken against him as an act of
>>> persecution. Some of them who spoke to MANAWA say they are more
>>> committed
>>> not to
>>> his preaching and healing than ever. But for how long? There is school
>>> of
>>> thought that a Pastor dismissed from his church is like a flower pulled
>>> off
>>> the
>>> river bank after heavy rain when the volume of the water rises. The weed
>>> thus
>>> floats without any destination and can only germinate and produce seeds
>>> again if
>>> it is fortunate to be deposited on another bank if not, it keeps
>>> floating
>>> until
>>> it gets rotten.
>>>
>>> Rev Wara may become like that
>>> flower, but for now he has to adjust to the new situation where he finds
>>> himself. MANAWA takes the position that the established church should be
>>> more
>>> tolerant to diverse views and adapt to changes. Whether we accept or
>>> not,
>>> many
>>> changes have been introduced to evangelism by the Pentecostals or 'Born
>>> Agains'
>>> the charismatic movement in the catholic church is a manifestation of
>>> its
>>> adaptation to modern preaching and evangelization.
>>>
>>> The PCC has to learn to live
>>> with the fact that its Christians and clergy are much under the
>>> influence
>>> of
>>> democratic tenets. Rev Festus Asana's perception of change should not
>>> rule
>>> out
>>> attitudinal changes within its clergy. The solution is not the
>>> sledgehammer
>>> but
>>> dialogue. Dogma is still necessary in some aspects of preaching, it must
>>> be
>>> understood that if the Catholic Church could not suppress Martin Luther
>>> over
>>> 400
>>> years ago, it is unlikely that the PCC can silence completely some
>>> members
>>> of
>>> the clergy who consider healing and deliverance as an alternative means
>>> of
>>> spreading the Good News. Jesus Christ predicted that many false christs
>>> would
>>> emerge. The Bible prophesizes that before the end of time, some
>>> counterfeit
>>> prophets would emerge preaching, casting out demons and working miracles
>>> in
>>> his
>>> name. At the same time Christ called on his not to judge in order that
>>> we
>>> too
>>> should not be judged. Sanctioning Pastor Wara and his colleagues is
>>> passing
>>> judgment on them which is Biblically unacceptable. The PCC should
>>> reconsider
>>> its
>>> decision on Pastor Wara and engage dialogue rather than the sledgehammer
>>> when
>>> dealing with future cases of dissent in the church
>>
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