I was 12 years ago when my older partner came. Roger Hill looked at it and told me he hoped I realized that this was a ridiculous number and it would not remain the same in the new office…I did. But my partner still has that number in his head and we can’t knock it out. It is impossible to run this office effectively…three docs, three hygienists four assistants, two front office and 3400 sq ft. We just renewed the lease for ten more years at the same number.
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
912-384-7400
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From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Rodgers
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 11:16 AM
To: gmoor@windstream.net
Cc: 'Peter Campbell'; drrodgers@drrodgers.com; riccoker@gmail.com; 'Ace'
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Profit per hour
Wait…what? Do I understand that you are saying you were running at 30% overhead?
On Feb 22, 2013, at 7:47 AM, Guy Moorman <gmoor@windstream.net> wrote:
Both of my assistants work with him. The younger partner spends a lot of time watching me and asking me questions trying to understand. The older one doesn’t talk to either of us about dentistry. He has no interest in it other than his income. He is struggling with why he is suddenly having so many failures in endo when he don’t it close to the level the damned woman across the street is doing it. At one time he was using files similar to me and doing warm incremental vertical. He suddenly stopped and one Friday told my main assistant who works with him on Friday he was changing his way of doing endo. It was too expensive the other way. He never pulls out an apex locator and now uses the ruler on the digital radiograph which is not accurate for length and is totally single cone. My assistant says he does not fit a cone like I do. He just takes one several size smaller and runs it into the sealer. Talking to him is worthless. I feel sorry for the younger partner because he is all about quality. He does some nice endo. He does nice everything.
The 30% number is off the top of his head. That was what I was doing in the other office when he came but I was paying 200 bucks a month in rent and they were paying utilities and taxes. It was a sweetheart deal. We are in a 3400 square foot building with 9 employees…only 8 now.
It is going to be a tough haul but I’m going to buck him at every turn to keep quality up. He has horrendous problems with sensitivity with composites and now the failing endo. I will not retreat it.
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
912-384-7400
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From: Peter Campbell [mailto:vitab1@shaw.ca]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:39 PM
To: gmoor@windstream.net; drrodgers@drrodgers.com; riccoker@gmail.com
Cc: 'Ace'
Subject: RE: [ACEsthetics] Profit per hour
Hi all,
30% overhead is impossible even in a very poor office, I think. Dunno where the 30% number comes from.
And how the hell do you use just one rotary on an endo?
Mind you in the olden days, I remember using nothing but handfiles.
(My endo has…uh…rarely been to..”Moorman” levels..).
L
Guy needs to hold a course at his office for us.
Or go live on a webcast.
Peter Campbell
From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Guy Moorman
Sent: February-21-13 6:50 AM
To: drrodgers@drrodgers.com; riccoker@gmail.com
Cc: 'Ace'
Subject: RE: [ACEsthetics] Profit per hour
The senior partner wants to get the overhead to 30%. Both the accountant, who works with fourteen other dentists, have told him that is impossible and maintain a quality office. While I’m here I’m ignoring him and getting what we need to keep on top. My assistants tell me he uses handfiles and one rotary on all of his endo…never more than one rotary…F1 ProTaper. That’s a good file but not all we need. ProTaper now has ProTaper Next which is in the M wire and more flexible. I’m buying some of those.
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
912-384-7400
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From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Rodgers
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:39 AM
To: riccoker@gmail.com
Cc: Ace
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Profit per hour
I have looked at profit per procedure on many occasions which in turn helped me set my hourly goal/daily goal/etc.
My office is nowhere near Guy's 51% overhead though. Maybe I should just say screw it to all that and watch the 49% profit roll in. :] I am jealous Guy.
On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:58 PM, Rick Coker <riccoker@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that a lot of us have gone to hear Bruce Baird and PDA, where the production per hour is featured, but how many have gone further and monitored the gross profit per hour on a regular basis? That would essentially mean subtracting out the lab fees for all your treatment, I guess. Seems like a simple thing, but the more I talk to Tony Soileau, the more I realize that gross profit per hour is where it is at! And Net profit per hour isn't far behind!
Anybody doing it?
Rick
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