You're right Todd, some drugs have unwanted side effects. That is because they have effects. Any alt med remedy that claims it has no side effects is because it has no effects at all.
TonganoxieDental@aol.com wrote:
Re: [ACEsthetics] antioxidants and real data- nothing to sell here
My Jayhawks are playing so I can't give a full response.
And the FDA really doesn't regulate what it can claim. It only says it can't claim to treat or cure any disease or condition. All a supplement would have to do to be able to claim efficacy is to demonstrate efficacy. They are unable to do that, so they water down their claims and say they "support" various bodily systems.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk.
In a message dated 3/24/2013 4:09:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tshewman@insight.rr.com writes:
Prescription drugs actually need to show very little efficacy. Statins are a good example. ~100,000 deaths per year from prescription drugs (great medical system huh). And then there is non-prescription drugs, consider....Tylenol, aspirin (you know, the OTC they recommend for BP etc) which adds about 400 deaths per year. Docs can recommend that.....oh but they wouldn't do that would they....LOL! Where's that oversight?
The oversight for the prescription drugs is if too many people (not just a few) die. A little late....but better than nothing?
Actually, the FDA DOES regulate what supplements can state/claim. The purity is overseen by similar organizations as the drug/pharma industries. Most nutritional companies don't use it, but it does exist.
Supplementation has a bit to go, but has come along way since 10 years ago (I would respectfully submit even 5 years ago) and even the medical world is waking up to these facts. Tell an oby-gyn to stop recommending and prescribing pre-natals, after all, they can't be doing any good right......
I wish either side would be sweet and pure, but alas that's not the case. I would personally prefer to see better practices from companies and practitioners on both sides.
From: TonganoxieDental@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] antioxidants and real data- nothing to sell here
In a message dated 3/24/2013 1:42:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tshewman@insight.rr.com writes:
You mean similar to the way docs prescribe drugs?
No, not similar at all. But nice try.
However, you bring up a great point. A well meaning but uninformed person can run to GNC and load up on all the supplements he or she wants. Herbs, vitamins, colonics, detoxers, everything in the golf bag. And like I said, not based upon tests or science. Can the same person do that with prescribed drugs? Can the same person think to himself "Gee, my blood pressure is high and my blood glucose is not in the normal range; I'll go grab some Beta Blockers and insulin at the GNC. I should probably get some Vancomycin while I'm there, because I heard my old root canals have cavitations around them. And the wife wanted me to pick up some Tamoxifen; she felt a lump in her breast and it might be cancer."
There is a level of gate keeping when physicians prescribe drugs. I'm sure that not 100% of drugs are prescribed properly, but that's a point for another discussion. Moreover, prescription drugs have to show efficacy and potency to be allowed, whereas there in NO oversight into what can be claimed by a supplement, nor is there any regulation as to legitimacy of advertising claims or even the contents and purity of the supplement itself.
Huge differences.
Similar circumstances. Many do without objective tests. But that's OK?
Thank you for giving the best example of a tu quoque fallacy that I've ever seen. Others on the forum can learn from it.
alt med et al is not alone in this method of practicing.
So you said that SCAMmers don't practice this way last time, now you're saying they're not alone in this method of practicing. Pick a side and stick with it.
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In a message dated 3/24/2013 1:20:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tshewman@insight.rr.com writes:
Many recommend based on tests. Not arbitrarily
I'm sure "many" do. However, if you think that a majority of people in the role of recommending therapies (ND's, DC's, DDS's, MD's, Larry at the Gym, Sylvia your Spirit Guide, or research on the internet by an individual) actually go through the testing before recommending supplementation, I'm afraid you'd be mistaken. Further, if you think that a majority of people who take supplements do so based upon legitimate tests or on legitimate recommendations from a health care provider, you would also be mistaken. Can I back that statement up with hard numbers? Nope. But neither can you assert the opposite. It is based upon the principles I eluded to in my previous email.
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