Dear MTCians,
In my considered opinion, MBA should stand for (some) Maximum Business Awareness and for (many) Minimum Business Awareness. We may accept both.
The question is "How far this is true?" Where is the accountability? Have we failed the system or has the system failed us? If not AICTE, what next?
Regards,
Prof. G. Surender Reddy,
Director,
M C Gupta College of Business Management,
O U Road, Nallakunta, Hyderabad - 500 044
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Prabhakar Waghodekar <waghodekar@rediffmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I sincerely think we need to look at the issue in academic interests reviewing
such points as:
1.
What was the status and market competitiveness of MBA before the emergence of
AICTE?
2.
What were the market driving forces then (while MBA was fully under the control of
Universities) and now?
3.
Whether AICTE is inherently bureaucratic, rigid? Who is responsible for this?
4.
In one of the prestigious Universities one faculty was on Management Sciences
Board up to pretty old age and turned 150 or so PhDs in Management.
5.
In one of the prestigious Defense Institutes, the guide for ME (Egg) was a PhD
Physics teacher of university.
6.
If MBA is given fully under the control of Universities, how do you visualize the
future scenario? Better quality? Affordable costs? Better employ-ability? or
something else?
Regards.
Yours,
___________________________________________
On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:41:48 +0530 wrote--- On Sun, 28/4/13, lakshmanan rajan wrote:
>Dear prof. rajan, excellent depiction of AICTE control over MBA education.....
as "The Management Education in this country must come out of the clutches of the
arrogant , bureaucratic, inflexible, regulation minded ( no development work)
AICTE"
.... let them make n number of bogus engineering colleges as really functional
colleges and make them contribute something to the nation....
dr vishnumurty narra, hyderabad....
From: lakshmanan rajanSubject: Re: Re: Re: [MTC Global] Supreme court verdict on AICTE control over MBA
colleges
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, 28 April, 2013, 12:29 PM
Dear All
Let us carry on this healthy discussion
What is deplorable and needs to be curbed is AICTE's unilateral thinking and
arrogating for itself all the powers to decide on policies governing MBA
education in this country without even a semblance of discussion with hundreds of
worthy professors, in this country who have slogged through many years and have
understood the nuances and issues better than AICTE
Those of us who have worked with Industry would remember how the DGTD for decades
was calling for tonnes of reports and not doing anything with it. Then in 1992 ,
FM Dr Man Mohan Singh disbanded the DGTD.
The Management Education in this country must come out of the clutches of the
arrogant , bureaucratic, inflexible, regulation minded ( no development work)
AICTE
Prof LP Rajan
On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:34:09 +0530 wrote
>Dear All,
>
>
I have been used to a term "Technical and Management
>
Education" more than 2 decades. I fear switching back
>
Management to Universities is like reinventing the
>
wheel. We need to consider the issue very seriously.
>
Similar question is of MCA (under Egg and Sciences
>
faculty) and other courses like M Sc (Electronics or
>
IT or Computer Science). Universities are expected to
>
deal with pure sciences to give solid foundation to
>
engineering faculty (can I call it as applied
>
sciences?). The application cult does not play a
>
dominant role in sciences, and if they do so, I fear
>
the abstract knowledge will soon vanish. How many PhDs
>
in pure Mathematics, IITs and Universities have turned
>
out? Or in pure sciences? This is the reason why India
>
cannot move ahead, win noble prizes.
>
>
I sincerely think we need to seriously consider the
>
issue twice before we take a decision. Else we are
>
bound to have irreparable losses (already we are in
>
losses). The MBA prg implementation needs a different
>
spirit. In engineering too this spirit is missing. The
>
results are before us.
>
>
Regards.
>
>
Yours,
>
>
________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:49:23 +0530 wrote
>
>ONE MORE POINT IS ELIGIBILITY OF DISTANCE MBA......
>
>
--- On Thu, 25/4/13, narra vishnumurty
>
wrote:
>
>
From: narra vishnumurty
>
Subject: [MTC Global] Supreme court verdict on AICTE
>
control over MBA colleges
>
To: "mtc chennai"
>
Cc: shesasu@yahoo.co.in
>
Date: Thursday, 25 April, 2013, 9:15 PM
>
>
Dear Sirs'
>
>
..... further, AICTE is not allowing doctorates in
>
business management without having MBA as pg
>
qualification....It is a fact that a good number of
>
good management professors do not have MBA....most of
>
them
>
hailed from allied subjects such as economics,
>
commerce, psychology and others.....
>
>
.... what is wrong in allowing doctorates in business
>
management without having MBA, when MBA is in itself a
>
highly multi-disciplinary subject....
>
>
.... for instance, scaling can be best done by people
>
with psychology background only....a good number of
>
scales/measuring instruments developed by holistic MBA
>
-Ph.Ds' won't have either a valid reliability nor
>
carry any item validity index..... in fact, a good of
>
those people don't have clear cut understanding at
>
all...
>
>
.... similarly, people with economics and statistics
>
background can
>
do more justice with regards to managerial economics
>
and business statistics than their counter parts....
>
>
....in the light of the above, severing relations with
>
AICTE is a revolutionary phenomenon only ....
>
>
....with best wishes..... Dr Vishnumurty Narra,
>
Hyderabad....
>
>
--- On Fri, 26/4/13, Prof. Bholanath Dutta
>
wrote:
>
>
From: Prof. Bholanath Dutta
>
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Supreme court verdict on
>
AICTE control over MBA colleges
>
To: "join_mtc"
>
Date: Friday, 26 April, 2013, 1:13 PM
>
>
Please find below a discussion held on the subject in
>
the year 2011 :
>
All India Council for Management
>
Education/ Ph.D. and Industry Experience
>
>
Trigger Question: Prof. Bholanath Dutta Dated
>
03.02.2011
>
>
>
Dear MTCians,
>
>
Greetings............
>
>
>
After
>
interacting with many academicians, corporate
>
executives, CEO/VP/P/MD
>
>
turned academicians, even direct interaction with
>
academicians from abroad,
>
>
one thing is very much clear that it is difficult to
>
change the fate of
>
>
management education, easily. Management programmes
>
are not like other
>
>
professional/vocational or academic courses, but the
>
tragedy is AICTE/UGC
>
>
mix it up and put everything in the same basket. Very
>
sorry figure! As per
>
>
UGC/AICTE recent guidelines, without Ph.D. , even a
>
top level CEO cannot
>
>
become professor in academics. And forget about
>
HOD/Director position.
>
>
Something very very unexpected... unrealistic and
>
harmful for management
>
>
education to grow.
>
>
It
>
is not a comparison between a pure academician and an
>
industry expert.
>
>
There needs to be balance of both. If a corporate
>
executive has Ph.D. and
>
>
come to academics....that may be best (eligibility +
>
competency). Even,
>
I
>
>
interacted with one professor from USA and his opinion
>
was also not
>
>
different from AICTE and fundamentally focus is on
>
Ph.D. Degree.
>
>
What
>
is required a separate body - AICME for management
>
programme instead of
>
>
AICTE. In AICTE primary focus is on technical
>
education. It would be really
>
>
good, if we prepare a report on this and send it to
>
our Hon. Education
>
>
Minister for his comment.
>
>
Request
>
opinion on this.........
>
>
Opinion of MTCians:
>
>
(i)
>
Mr. Ram Katlaâ€"Chapter Head: Hyderabad
>
>
Dear Prof.
>
>
I
>
strongly believe this is our responsibility and if MTC
>
can voice out the
>
>
need for incepting such body, I am sure the ministry
>
will be more than
>
>
willing to listen. Moreover, now the foreign B-Schools
>
coming to India
>
>
set-up their shop, it is all the more imperative to
>
have a control mechanism
>
>
/ regulatory body.
>
>
Of-late
>
we did see reforms in school education... and *Why not
>
on management
>
>
education* *too..?* We must pursue this with
>
determination. We got to be
>
>
perhaps more scientific in building a strong case and
>
document it.
>
>
We
>
can have this submission as one of MTC's core missions
>
for the year 2011.
>
>
Let us all pledge to make this happen & I do not see
>
any reason why can not
>
>
>
we make it..!!
>
>
(ii) Prof D.A.R.Subramanyam, Principal:
>
Mahatma Gandhi College, Guntur
>
>
Dear Professor,
>
>
You
>
have raised a very apt and topic of relevance. The
>
AICTE especially , sorry to
>
mention, has spoiled the education scenario in this
>
country. Instead of
>
stabilising and improving technical and management
>
education. It has put the
>
technical education in doldrums. The AICTE or UGC
>
should leave the matters to
>
State Councils and Concerned Universities. There are
>
many ways that AICTE can
>
streamline both technical and management education in
>
this country.
>
>
1) The proposal that you have put forward is very
>
correct2) The managements
>
should discuss the matter at length and give
>
representation to the MHRD .3) The
>
local MP`s and MLA `s should rise the issue in
>
parliament and assembly
>
respectively about the performance of AICTE. And
>
unfortunately they don`t have
>
time to represent public issues.
>
>
4) Particularly the norms of the AICTE seem to
>
friendly to Big institutions
>
which admit hundreds and thousands of students. What
>
about the beginners and
>
the small managements?
>
>
5) The Vice-Chancellors and members in the committees
>
should spend some time on
>
this .But as i told in the above point who has time to
>
represent all these
>
issues of concern.?Everybody is busy in their own
>
personal Agenda.
>
>
I
>
really appreciate you for raising thought provoking
>
and relevant issues for
>
discussion.I wish MTC become more and more active and
>
are strengthened so that
>
the voices are seriously taken for consideration
>
>
(iii) Prof. Nityanandam, Asst. Prof. MVSR
>
Engg. College
>
>
Dear Prof,
>
>
I
>
was also teaching some 15 yrs back. I left the
>
industry after serving there
>
>
for 25 years. The reason, the student is taught theory
>
and no practical
>
>
requirement of the industry. In our days there was
>
practical training for the
>
>
students. Now they do not bother about it. Even in the
>
college practical
>
classes
>
>
the technician conducts the experiment/makes the model
>
for the students and
>
gets
>
>
paid by the student. no teacher responsible for the
>
practical can conduct an
>
>
experiment or run the lathe or other machines. This is
>
the state of affairs in
>
>
all most all the colleges in India.
>
>
The pity is we do not have any technical or
>
engineering educationist in the
>
>
country. All the qualifications prescribed or not
>
suitable for teaching. Most of
>
>
>
the doctorates cannot explain their own work to a
>
second person besides this
>
>
thesis being purely theoretical and not fit for any
>
practical use. These people
>
>
>
have not done a bit of research after wards. we also
>
teach so much theory and
>
>
Maths in particular which is not used by the student
>
later in his life. I have
>
>
forgotten all maths i was taught.
>
>
Our
>
engineering syllabus has to be re written with a view
>
to make engineers
>
>
useful to the industry and be more practical oriented.
>
Don’t tell me nowhere in
>
>
>
the world is such a syllabus available. Let’s frame
>
one ourselves with no
>
>
pressure from any outsider. This reply
>
is not meant to criticize anybody but the system being
>
followed.
>
>
(iv)
>
Dr. R Rajan, MTCian
>
>
Dear Prof. Dutta
>
>
It
>
is really an apt and a realistic thought of yours,
>
will definitely raise the status
>
of Management Education in India.
>
>
Many
>
times it has been discussed that one should have a
>
passion for teaching and a
>
great deal industrial exposure.
>
>
AICTE,
>
has laid down that Management Faculty must have First
>
Class in MBA and Ph.D for
>
the post of Director and Professors. Does it mean that
>
those who have second
>
are not fit for Teaching. According to me it is the
>
Attitude matters a lot.
>
>
In
>
many Business Schools and Colleges, Directors and
>
Professors are highly
>
concentrate their attention in producing results to
>
satisfy their employers.
>
They are least bothered about the Industry
>
Expectation. Hence, faculty with a
>
blend of MBA Degree with Industry plus with a strong
>
attitude or mindset for
>
Teaching, can defenitely the reauired talents.
>
>
In
>
all our days, if one want to pursue his/her MBA
>
Programme he or she she must be
>
a graduate in any discipline with a minimum of two
>
years Industrial Experience
>
that too as a Middle Level Position through a common
>
entrance examination. That
>
is why we are all qualitatively and quantitatively
>
rich in the field of
>
Management and successfully contributes our best.
>
>
But
>
today there are too many entrance examinations and any
>
one can enter into MBA
>
Programme. Even a candidate who had secured negative
>
marks in the Entrance
>
Examination conducted by the States and the so called
>
Consortium of Management
>
of Management Institution.
>
>
Then,
>
how we can be able to produce talented heads to match
>
the Industry needs?
>
>
Henceforth,
>
AICTE must invite Top Notch Academicians while it is
>
in the process of
>
formulating policies pertaining to Management.
>
>
(v) Prof. K. Vizayakumar, Former Professor
>
and Head , Dept. of Industrial Engineering and
>
Management , Indian Institute of
>
Technology, Kharagpur.
>
>
Dear Prof. Dutta,
>
>
All
>
CEOs are not useful as teachers. They should have the
>
zeal for teaching
>
>
and have to be in touch with current developments in
>
management paradigms.
>
>
Generally, the qualification is mentioned as Ph. D. or
>
with equivalent
>
>
publications.
>
>
(vi)
>
Dr. G. Vanishree, Professor & HODfor MBA,
>
Vignan'sInstituteof Technology& Aeronautical
>
Engineering.
>
(VITAE)Deshmukhi, Hyderabad.
>
>
Industrial
>
knowledge is practical ,professors have more
>
theoretical knowledge than
>
practical i feel that an industrial person teach some
>
practical experience ,
>
students can be more enlighten and have more grip to
>
put themselfs open for
>
corporates according to my opinion.
>
>
>
>
(vii) Prof. Soumya Sagiri
>
>
Hi All,
>
>
On
>
this topic i can share my thoughts and views.
>
>
1.
>
PhD is supposed to be provided to only those who has
>
done genuine
>
>
research or innovation or discovery or process
>
excellence. However in
>
>
today's world especially in Management field PhD are
>
offered with out proper
>
>
addition to literature or innovation or discovery or
>
process excellence
>
>
especially in India.
>
>
Even
>
a Doctorate can be offered to a person who wide
>
knowledge in one
>
>
practical area with above 10 years of experience.
>
>
2.
>
According to me to teach Management, PhD is not
>
required. Most of the
>
>
people who process PhD don't have practical exposure
>
to Industry, process,
>
>
sectors, cultures, structures, divisions and practical
>
exposure towards
>
>
these. Any person with sound knowledge in basics,
>
practical exposure in the
>
>
Industry, domain expertise is enough to teach the
>
students.
>
>
3.
>
Management is all about Industry not about PhD, just a
>
literature review,
>
>
survey, case or empirical research is not enough to
>
provide the
>
>
practicalities of the business , they need to
>
experience, feel the pressure,
>
>
targets, deadlines, real implementation of strategies,
>
standards operating
>
>
procedures, real innovative technologies, cultural
>
diversity, communication,
>
>
team dynamics, stages of growth, experiencing the
>
emerging sectors etc.
>
>
4.
>
Most of the people are forgetting the truth that PhD
>
is used for
>
>
enhancing individual knowledge to discover something
>
and provide new
>
>
theories, mechanisms and to improve domain expertise,
>
however it is not at
>
>
all related to the profession of being an excellent
>
academician. Most of the
>
>
professors struggle with ego problems in academics.
>
Academics lacking
>
>
transparency, proper escalation real education all
>
together just because
>
>
"One Degree Sake" - Real respect is missing ...
>
>
I
>
saw one movie long back ( I don't remember the name
>
now) - In the movie
>
>
they explained clearly when a person tries to learn
>
more and more expertise
>
>
they forget the basics so a Professor always need to
>
go back and learn the
>
>
basics (Common Sense) to bring real innovations and
>
creativity.
>
>
5.
>
I personally feel real academician is supposed to work
>
few years in
>
>
Industry and need to work in academics, later on again
>
after few years later
>
>
they need to go back to industry and come back with
>
new flow of knowledge to
>
>
train the students as emerging and skillful managers.
>
>
6.
>
The important aspect is most of the people are
>
pursuing PhD just for the
>
>
sake of obtain the degree, lucrative scale and respect
>
in society. But how
>
>
far they are really doing justice, how far they done
>
the research
>
>
research? OR simply accumulating the literature and
>
data, obtaining
>
PhD
>
>
doesn't lead to any where....other than exceptional
>
Universities.
>
>
7.
>
The AICTE or Govt need build such kind of rules where
>
the person should
>
>
certain years of Industrial experience or some kind
>
provisions need to be
>
>
created to obtain real industry exposure and a PhD are
>
eligible to become
>
>
>
professors. I saw even PhD holder don't know how to
>
write a basic article or
>
>
research paper, they convert student SIP reports as
>
papers. The Indian
>
>
education system lacking real skills, innovation and
>
creativity.
>
>
8.
>
As per my personal observations (again limited in
>
nature) most of the
>
>
professors busy in managing politics in academics,
>
reluctant to change and
>
>
they even don't know the basic Microsoft tools like
>
Word, Excel
>
>
& PowerPoint, if these minimum things are not known to
>
a professor-
>
how can
>
>
a student will meet real industry standards. Everybody
>
need to think
>
>
logically and practically - Especially professionals
>
in Management field
>
>
need to have industry exposure.
>
>
Kindly
>
revert for any further information or suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
(viii) Prof. Subha BN
>
>
>
>
Hi
>
>
On
>
the view below, I differ in few aspects. Undoubtedly,
>
industry inputs do add
>
value to students. But please remember any concept
>
evolves over a theory and
>
enormous research goes into it and then it becomes
>
applied. The issue here definitely
>
is not to say whether the industry experts entering
>
into teaching is good or
>
bad. definitely its good, but the major concern to be
>
addressed is how does
>
teacher who are so called theoretical( according to
>
some) upgrade themselves to
>
address the needs of their customers i,e students, i
>
think teachers should also
>
go on sabbatical and take up some assignments in
>
companies for few months and
>
come back to teaching, this can become a part of their
>
teaching career. Apart
>
from this they can also have collaborations to take up
>
some research
>
assignments that could add value to their research..
>
PhDs could definitely be
>
enriching if the industry academic tie ups are done
>
with a holistic approach, in
>
fact we need to evolve ourselves as facilitators of
>
knowledge than teachers.
>
>
This
>
is my opinion with due respect to all other views.
>
>
(viii) Dr. Pradeep Kautish
>
>
Hello,
>
>
I
>
do agree with Prof. Shubha. Most of the time people
>
mislead by industry
>
>
experience. It has many facets what do you call
>
industry experience.
>
>
Industry experience is in which one has contributed to
>
knowledge bottom line
>
>
not profit bottom line only. Getting business or
>
manging business is one and
>
>
bringing innovation in business is second. Until and
>
unless one has not
>
>
devoted self to business from the point of view
>
innovation, his/her industry
>
>
experience is not valid for academic interface. He/she
>
is going to tell
>
>
about routine jobs, general aspects of business.
>
>
With
>
industry experience academia requires one who have
>
delivered to the
>
>
existing body of knowledge not a ordinary manager
>
worked in a PSU, bank or
>
>
some government organization and in some of the cases
>
private also. Where
>
>
he/she supposed to perform certain duties with dead
>
lines like a Clark or
>
>
>
an Assistant. No matter what was his/her designation
>
it can GM to MD but he
>
>
has earned his/her bread and butter only. Knowledge
>
wise exposure wise
>
>
he/she is almost ZERO.
>
>
I
>
have seen many these kind of so called self acclaimed
>
industry experts and
>
>
management stalwarts with 20-30 years experience in
>
industry. When they move
>
>
to class they narrate stories only for initial few
>
months, they mask in
>
>
front of student as if they were some big shot but
>
soon students get to know
>
>
their reality and give them negative feedback. But by
>
that time because of
>
>
spreading politics they fit themselves in some
>
administrative role to
>
>
sustain their job.
>
>
Thanks,
>
>
>
(viii) Dr. SN Ghosal
>
>
Dear
>
Prof. Dutta,
>
>
I
>
am entering this debate with a bit hesitation as I
>
hold contrarian view. I
>
>
think institutions r there to facilitate education and
>
not for imparting
>
>
education as is commonly believed. It is perception,
>
senses, faculties,
>
>
passion and perseverance that educate a person. It is
>
therefore the need is
>
>
to help honing these through institutions-management
>
and general..
>
>
With warm wishes
>
>
DR.S.N.GHOSAL
>
>
(ix) Capt. A Nagaraj
>
>
Folk,
>
>
I
>
thought the forum was to spread information and
>
learning. It seems we are
>
>
descending to taking pot shots at one another.
>
>
Academic
>
learning and expertise has its place and importance as
>
has industry
>
>
experience or for that matter experience of any kind.
>
It is not a zero sum
>
>
game.
>
>
It
>
is probably the reason why the IIM's keep talking
>
about, Mumbai
>
>
Dabbawalla’s all the time. Concept based
>
experiential learning is the name of
>
>
the game and as experienced faculty is what is
>
expected of us.
>
>
Nice weekend!
>
>
Cheers..............
>
>
>
(x)
>
Dr. Pradeep Kautish
>
>
Dear Prof. Datta,
>
>
For
>
any position in academics for that matter PhD is not
>
at all required
>
>
anywhere, for Industry people but only condition is
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he/she should be from a
>
>
strong industry background. Where he/she has shown
>
leadership talent,
>
>
strategic interface and decisions which he/she has
>
taken shaken the industry
>
>
as a stalwart. Not for those who came from a industry
>
background like
>
>
banking, PSU, Government organizations where they were
>
working not even to
>
>
excel themselves leave aside the industry as a whole.
>
And now for grabbing a
>
>
lucrative academic position after VIth Pay commission
>
masking as if they
>
>
delivered some thing in industry which is dream for
>
others. For these kind
>
>
of so called industry managers should not be given a
>
ticket to enter in
>
>
academics. And top B-schools ask for PhD with these
>
kind of self acclaimed
>
>
visionaries.
>
>
(xi) Dr. Moses Antony
>
>
Esteemed Members,
>
>
In my opinion, to teach for
>
b-schools, industry and teaching
>
>
experiences with relevant qualifications must. If the
>
teacher has the
>
>
research degrees it will help to do the profession
>
well and
>
>
appropriately. So, research skill of the teacher
>
always useful for
>
>
the students and institutions.
>
>
Moses
>
>
(xii) Prof. Subha BN
>
>
Dear
>
all
>
>
I
>
strongly agree with Prof. Datta on his view about the
>
changing mindset of
>
people towards academics. in fact PhD is not an
>
eligibility criteria but a
>
professional achievement and journey towards research.
>
The very sanctity of PhD
>
today is getting lost i guess. its not out of fashion
>
or requirement one need
>
to do Ph.D. in fact the knowledge one gains and
>
imparts to students is
>
not at all outcome of Ph.D but it is the urge that one
>
possess towards learning
>
and sharing.
>
>
People
>
today are finding teaching as sunrise industry, its
>
alarming. Teaching does not
>
see the industry recession unlike other profession
>
hence the changing
>
attitude..... The nobleness of the profession should
>
not be lost to rat race in
>
the days to come...
>
>
>
>
(xiii) Prof. Soumya Sagiri
>
>
Hi All
>
>
Their
>
theories on what they regarded as a thoroughly
>
scientific basis (.
>
>
Examples include Henry R. Towne's “Science of
>
management†in the 1890s,
>
>
Frederick Winslow Taylor's “The Principles of
>
Scientific Management†(1911),
>
>
Frank and Lillian Gilbreth's “Applied motion studyâ€
>
(1917), and Henry L.
>
>
Gantt's charts (1910s). J. Duncan wrote the first
>
college management
>
>
textbook in 1911. In 1912 Yoichi Ueno introduced
>
Taylorism to Japan and
>
>
became first management consultant of the "Japanese-
>
management
>
style". His
>
>
son Ichiro Ueno pioneered Japanese quality assurance.
>
>
The
>
first comprehensive theories of management appeared
>
around 1920. The
>
>
Harvard Business School invented the Master of
>
Business Administration
>
>
degree (MBA) in 1921. People like Henri Fayol (1841â
>
€"1925) and Alexander
>
>
Church described the various branches of management
>
and their
>
>
inter-relationships. In the early 20th century, people
>
like Ordway Tead
>
>
(1891â€"1973), Walter Scott and J. Mooney applied the
>
principles of psychology
>
>
to management, while other writers, such as Elton Mayo
>
(1880â€"1949), Mary
>
>
Parker Follett (1868â€"1933), Chester Barnard (1886â
>
€"1961), Max Weber
>
>
(1864â€"1920), Rensis Likert (1903â€"1981), and Chris
>
Argyris (1923 - )
>
>
approached the phenomenon of management from a
>
>
sociologicalpe
>
rspective.
>
>
Peter
>
Drucker (1909â€"2005) wrote one of the earliest books
>
on applied
>
>
management: *Concept of the Corporation* (published in
>
1946). It resulted
>
>
from Alfred Sloan (chairman of General Motors until
>
1956) commissioning a
>
>
study of the organisation. Drucker went on to write 39
>
books, many in the
>
>
same vein.
>
>
H.
>
Dodge, Ronald Fisher (1890â€"1962), and Thornton C.
>
Fry introduced
>
>
statistical techniques into management-studies. In the
>
1940s, Patrick
>
>
Blackett combined these statistical theories with
>
microeconomic theory and
>
>
gave birth to the science of operations research.
>
Operations research,
>
>
sometimes known as "management science" (but distinct
>
from Taylor's
>
>
scientific management), attempts to take a scientific
>
approach to solving
>
>
management problems, particularly in the areas of
>
logistics and operations.
>
>
Some
>
of the more recent[developments include the Theory of
>
Constraints,
>
>
management by objectives, re engineering, Six Sigma
>
and various
>
>
information-technology-driven theories such as agile
>
software development,
>
>
as well as group management theories such as Cog's
>
Ladder.
>
>
As
>
the general recognition of managers as a class
>
solidified during the 20th
>
>
century and gave perceived practitioners of the
>
art/science of management a
>
>
certain amount of prestige, so the way opened for
>
popularised systems of
>
>
management ideas to peddle their wares. In this
>
context many management fads
>
>
may have had more to do with pop psychology than with
>
scientific theories of
>
>
management.
>
>
*All
>
these experts are from Industry some are engineers,
>
psychologists,
>
>
process or entrepreneurs inn the organisation used to
>
do routine tasks and
>
>
operations, these theories are not born from faculty
>
cabins they
>
>
experimented their knowledge, learning's on shop
>
floors, industries, markets
>
>
and various other platforms. How drug undergoes
>
various clinical trials and
>
>
finally reaches market with brand name and formulae.*
>
>
Management
>
is learned better through experiencing the practical
>
>
knowledge and applied, then theories are build - added
>
to literature - Any
>
>
theory for that matter is experienced first by the
>
scientist or developer
>
>
used various other sources of material which are used
>
practically than that
>
>
is converted into contemporary Theory. For that matter
>
clerk job or peons
>
>
>
jobs they are people who might to do the same thing in
>
different way with
>
>
less period time that is called efficiency and just in
>
time. How come their
>
>
knowledge will be zero, obviously they do posses
>
certain amount of skills
>
>
and knowledge.
>
>
I
>
don't think any body will have zero knowledge, even
>
the mentally
>
>
handicapped person to posses some knowledge through
>
routine tasks and
>
>
observation. Business & Management is required to be
>
learned from
>
beggar,
>
>
street vendors, house wife, clerks, managers, CEO,
>
entrepreneurs, lenders.
>
>
All these people stories are today case studies for us
>
from street
>
vendors
>
>
to film making.
>
>
Only
>
thing in any profession a person need to learn, how
>
competitive he is
>
>
supposed to be? flexible to change and adapt in this
>
nature. Then the
>
>
ultimate thing to see the commitment of nature to us
>
is to be patient enough
>
>
to reap the fruits. Need to accept the change and
>
update our self
>
>
continuously.
>
>
Earlier,
>
i am also a student, still i am a student as
>
continuous learner : i
>
>
need everything from professors, but they can’t
>
teach practical
>
>
stuff sometimes more than a concept, then i need
>
industry experts to learn
>
>
the reality, later when my exams are approaching i
>
need professor again.
>
>
Every student is like this ----- Only solution is
>
flexible enough to learn
>
>
history, practicality, emerging dynamics in the
>
society to meet complete
>
>
student requirements.
>
>
This
>
information is not to offend anybodies thought
>
process; however we need
>
>
to change our attitude towards education system,
>
student’s requirements and
>
>
in holistic nature.
>
>
>
>
>
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Krishnamurthy M.G.
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wrote:
>
>
Dear all,
>
Has the time come for the constitution by the
>
Government, of a specalised regulatory body for our
>
domain, similar to AICTE, say, AICBE (All Indian
>
Council for Business Education) or AICME ((All Indian
>
Council forManagement Education)?
>
>
>
Regards.
>
Krishnamurthy
>
>
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:48 PM, shakti Bajpai
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Dear sir
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I am interested to know more on this , specially its
>
long term impact on management institutes which are
>
already affiliated by AICTE
>
>
Regards
>
>
Shakti
>
On Apr 26, 2013 11:34 AM, "paramesh paramam"
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>
>
Supreme court has given a land mark judgement that
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AICTE cannot regulate
>
>
MBA courses and management programme offered by
>
universities and
>
>
colleges affiliated to universities.
>
>
This judgement will have serious implications on
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management education in
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the country.
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