Dear colleagues, I have been reading these comments on the pursuit of a PhD Degree program. The fundamental requirement for doing a PhD has to be the aptitude and interest of the candidate. In all reputed institutions of higher learning in India and abroad, there is plenty of evidence to show that good teaching goes along with good research, and also good community (outreach) services, such as consultancy, MDP's, and continuing education. It is not a question of "either/ or", but rather of "a combined synergy" of each and all of these dimensions. Management research, in particular, needs to be more application oriented, and has to answer questions of relevance and impact. Hence, it has to be rooted in the specific local context, and must contribute to better understanding and problem solving. Best regards. Parameshwar P. IyerI don't understand why some members have this perception that people are being discouraged to do MBA. Dr. Meesala's original mail was only an expression to tell what basics should one acquire before starting the process of pursuing PhD. Again, whether you pursue PhD or not, who stops you from doing research. Among us only there are a large number of members who have not done PhD and they are being respected even by our senior and PhD members. Finally, It is more important to command respect from peers and students/subordinates as a PhD than simply earning and prefix. In general, respect that PhDs commanded four decades ago is not seen today, why? We need to think.
Regards
Virendra Goel
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Dear Sir
It is not good to discourage the people for doing people, what I feel is , not khowing something is not a crime. Rather than telling dont do Ph.D. , we should sugget the people , what are the thing we shoud do before attemping Ph.D.
Nothing is impossible
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Dr.Ambika Sharma
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Date: Tuesday, 28 May, 2013, 9:49 AM
Dear All,
Please see the attachment: PhD_Dilemma.doc[135 KB].
Regards.
Yours,
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On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:06:37 +0530 wrote
>It is always better to first find the facts and then
start commenting. Perceptions based on hearsay are
very dangerous. We in India are governed by the UGC
rules and regulations and some of them are really
good. A lot many universities follow them and practice
them. There would always be unscruplous elements but
we should not use this to tarnish the entire system.
Another issue, when we make comments especially
negative comments, why not make suggest or recommend
way forwards. Lets us also spread some good words and
positiveness. There is enough negativeness in the
environment
Merely highlighting ones achievements does not make
sense.thanksProf. Dr. R. Gopal
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Virendra Goel
Date: Sun, May 26, 2013 at 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [MTC Global] Don't ever attempt to do
Ph.D. in Business Management if you satisfy all or any
one of the following conditions.
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
On various comments being made on this trail, I would
like to make a very small observation. You receive a
communication and perceive it based on your own
attitude and accordingly, you either respond or react.
I would like to remind learned members that response
to all posts are always welcome but please desist from
reacting. We want free movement of sharing of
learning.
RegardsVirendra Goel
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[mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reshmi
Gurnani
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:31 PM
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Don't ever attempt to do
Ph.D. in Business Management if you satisfy all or any
one of the following conditions.
Completely agree with Prof Indranil Bose..the
language of Prof. Meesala, smells discourage and
superiority complex..the first thing which we should
inculcate in ourselves as learner-teacher is to shun
this mentality..if we continue with this attitude how
will we go to the level of students..knowing 5-6
statistical techniques doesn't qualify you as a
research scholar, its the understanding of the problem
and desire plus interest to know and make others know
about such concepts which counts..rather than starting
this conversation on a negative note, it could have
been started in a reverse manner by giving some
helpful tips & suggestions for PhD aspirants...in that
case it would have only received the appreciation from
every one..so nobody here is interested in lowering
the bar or the standard but its only the method of
putting your views which was objectionable..with due
regards..
CA. Reshmi Gurnani On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:30 PM,
PRASANNA KUMAR J.P. wrote:
India still need to do a lot in building a better
industry-institution interface to promote more applied
research than conceptual research in all domains
especially in management subjects.
Many times there is lot of disconnect between the
industry and educational institutions when it comes to
research. Unless this gap is not bridged there will be
shortage of quality research
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Ramakrishna
wrote:
While agreeing with Mr. Stephen Narayanan, I would
like to add some more points about the status of Ph.Ds
in our country.
First of all, let me inform you that I am still
pursuing my Ph.D.
My guide ( a very reputed Professor ), always says
that One should NOT pursue Ph.D. for the sake of
qualification but it should be pursued out of
curiosity to come out with something new. He also
says that "Ph.D is NOT for finding out OBVIOUS things,
but for finding NEW things". All of us agree that He
is absolutely right.
In India, majority of research scholars are pursuing
Ph.D. for 'obtaining' a mandatory qualification rather
than 'acquiring new area of knowledge'
I think this is the fundamental reason for the lack
of quality among Ph.Ds.
Next, it has become a source of earning for 1) Some
professors, 2) Some Consultants, 3) Some agents and of
course, not surprisingly for 4) Some Universities
too!!!
There is NO uniform structure for Ph.D. in our
universities. Each university has got its own
structure for awarding it. Obviously scholars, out of
their curiosity to complete it as early as possible,
would opt for 'weakly' structured process. Some
universities insist on Course Work, some do NOT. Some
universities insist on a 'minimum' number of
publications, some do NOT. Some have a highly
professional Entrance Test, Interview, Pre-PhD,
Research Reviews to monitor the progress.. whereas
majority of them DO NOT have any of this. But still
they award Ph.D.
These days, we find there are many NON-Ph.Ds who are
excellent in their communication skills, subject
knowledge, matured outlook.
If we look out some of the Ph.Ds from American
Universities, most of those works turn out to be
either discoveries or directly implementable by the
companies or other bodies of knowledge. Whereas, in
India, 90% of our Ph.Ds (in all domains) are JUST for
academic sake. They do NOT any add value to the 1)
Society, 2) To the Self, 3) To the Industry, 4) To the
Students......!!! It adds value to universities for
their Mandatory Disclosures.
Ramakrishna Yanamandra
Y. RAMAKRISHNA
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Stephen Narayanan
wrote:
The concern expressed by Mr. Vemuganti really
underscores the point that Ph D's are awarded without
a proper controlling mechanism and here too I have
heard of bribes which only open the door for the
thesis being accepted clearing the way for awarding
the Doctorate Degree. Spot fixing officials in some
Universities in North have brazenly asked to 'X"
amount saying that even the Director who would be
evaluating the thesis would be getting paid. One of
the IT Head of my previous Institute who was pursuing
his Ph D told me how he had was made to run around for
3 days when he didn't offer the cut and finally he had
to negotiate and pay before his submission was
accepted. No doubt the Ph D would enable the award-
es to move into the elite category but if their
communication skills are below par and they are unable
to express and explain their research work...they
become an embarrassment for the Institute when
representing them in Conclave/Seminar and are made fun
of my student community - raising credibility on the
institute employing such candidates.
At the same time there is no dearth of real talent in
our country....there could be many unexplored geniuses
who do not have the proper avenues to get a Doctorate
Award though they truly deserve it.... but such
geniuses do not need a Framed Doctorate Degree to
notify their achievement.....the student following
they have....would be a real indicator of their real
place as " Guru ".
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Ramesh Vemuganti
wrote:
In addition to the gaps aptly listed out by
Meesala, poor communication skills of research
scholars & Ph D"s
is the bane of our education system
I feel extremely concerned when I interact with
few Ph D"s & interview them on various panels.
They cannot explain the research work they have
done, properly.
How can you award Ph D to such candidates? Why
will students of next gen listen to them?
Every candidate opting for a Ph D must clear an
English Communication Skills test & has to be be a
good communicator.
Neither Knowledge & nor Expression should be taken
for granted.They have to be acquired & are two
different aspects.
Or else, he must not be allowed to apply or
awarded a Ph D. It is a mockery of the system & has
wide ranging implications.
No wonder, our B Tech/ MBA/ PGDM/ PG students -
are shying away from classrooms.
This malady is coming in the way of India emerging
as a Superpower by 2030.
Let us work in this direction.
regards
Ramesh Vemuganti
24/5/13
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 8:43 PM, drjaganmohanreddy
wrote:
In continuation of my earlier posting , as a response
to Indranil Bose's views on the subject, I just would
like to add that for my Doctoral thesis I followed
mostly case study method though few simple statistical
tools were made use of to drive across the message.
In my view more than the method (like people say
purpose more important than the procedure) the purpose
of the study and most importantly the inferences the
study throws up is important.
If we can follow the mantra of creating, communicating
snd delivering value in every thing we do (not
compromising on vslues/ethics) that's good for the
self and the society.
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-------- Original message --------
From: Indranil Bose
Date: 23/05/2013 16:00 (GMT+05:30)
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Don't ever attempt to do
Ph.D. in Business Management if you satisfy all or any
one of the following conditions.
Respected Prof. Meesala, As an academician, you should
not discourage others from pursuing PhD in management.
PhD is a learning process and every sincere candidate
learn a lot during this knowledge exercise. May be the
candidate requires more time to complete the same than
a candidate, who is well equipped with all the
research skills.
Moreover, now a days, many top class PhD thesis are
being prepared on the basis of case study method,
where extensive knowledge of statistical tool is not
much required. Which is required in such case is
called the conceptual and analytical skill.
The mentality of the Indian scholars, which can be
properly described as "We and they syndrome', where
"we' denotes PhDs and 'They' indicates non-PhDs, may
be greatest reason for limited growth of research
culture.
Thank you very much sir, Regards,
Yours sincerely, Indranil Bose
Senior Assistant ProfessorLal Bahadur Shastri
Institute of Management and TechnologyBareilly, Uttar
Pradesh, India
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Virendra Goel
wrote:
Good suggestion Dr. Meesala. Hope our members who are
planning to do their PhD will take note of the
suggestions and first equip themselves with right
attitude and skills before starting the process of
PhD.
RegardsVirendra Goel
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:31 PM
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Subject: [MTC Global] Dont ever attempt to do Ph.D.
in Business Management if you satisfy all or any one
of the following conditions.
Dont ever attempt to do Ph.D. in Business Management
if you satisfy all or any one of the following
conditions.
1. You dont know what topic you should do your
research on;
2. You have not read 30-40 research articles
till now, and you cannot distinguish between an
ordinary article and a research articles;
3. You dont know what comprises literature
review;4. After reading 50 research articles
also, you have not got an idea about research gaps,
and likely hypotheses;
5. You did not get an idea about what a
hypothesis means;6. You dont have an idea about
published valid scales and measures;
7. You dont know the calculation of
descriptive statistics, chi-square, t-test, anova,
correlation, regression coefficients;
8. You are under the impression that Ph.D. is
about writing a voluminous book with a lot of
distantly related material.
Prof. Dr. Appalayya Meesala
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