Re: [ACEsthetics] Larry Ellison on NSA and privacy. I totally agree with his angle.

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From: Bob Perkins <bperkinsdds@gmail.com>
To: Bruce Finnigan <finniganbruce@yahoo.com>
Cc: Steve Hendry <rsh.dds.fagd@gmail.com>; Guy Moorman <gmoor@windstream.net>; Bob Perkins <turkeysturkeys@gmail.com>; Dean V. Hutto <dean@drhutto.com>; ACE <ACEsthetics@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Larry Ellison on NSA and privacy. I totally agree with his angle.

Hey, you're getting off track here.  This is supposed to be about Lincoln and the Civil War.....not stupid Canada.  Can't you at least mention Abe once when you are quibbling about Canucks?

This is really frustrating

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On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Bruce Finnigan <finniganbruce@yahoo.com> wrote:

Steve,

That wasn't my argument at all.

Do you think the US wouldn't have a nationwide health care system if we didn't have to spend so much money defending people who look down their noses at us?

Do you think the US wouldn't have a nationwide healthcare system if we didn't give away so much money in foreign aid and to domestic social programs?

My point is that we undertake obligations that benefit other countries - yours included - that preclude us from doing more for our people, such as a national healthcare scheme that makes sense. But, you choose to overlook this fact and instead express disdain for our uncaring natures in that we don't have a national health program. 

Where did I ask you to forgive the bad things that we do? 

Bruce 

 

From: Steve Hendry <rsh.dds.fagd@gmail.com>
To: Bruce Finnigan <finniganbruce@yahoo.com>
Cc: Guy Moorman <gmoor@windstream.net>; Bob Perkins <turkeysturkeys@gmail.com>; Dean V. Hutto <dean@drhutto.com>; ACE <ACEsthetics@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Larry Ellison on NSA and privacy. I totally agree with his angle.

Hi Bruce!

Ignoring the insults and the over-the-top sarcasm,  it IS a good thing for us to be living in the shade of the U.S. military umbrella. It/;s olne of teh advantages of living with the elephant next door that we appreciate, and that  offsets some of the disadvantages.  Altogether, there are more advantages than disadvantages, and we would rather live next to you than most countries, although the babes would be better if it were Sweden.

The argument you are using here, of course, is the "I do some really good things so you must overlook any bad things that In do" argument. It's popular in abusive relationships, too!  A popular variant is the "We saved your assesses in WW2, so you cannot criticize our current foreign policy" argument. 

I think it's great that the worst thing that comes to mind to say about us is that our money has funny names!

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Bruce Finnigan <finniganbruce@yahoo.com> wrote:

It's nice living under the American nuclear umbrella while the American armed forces - paid for by the American people - guard the ramparts for most of the western democratic societies and a few of the socialist kind. It enables one to do a lot of social programs unencumbered by the burdens of heavy defense spending. BTW, would you be kind enough to tighten your security so that terrorists stop transiting from your enlightened territory to attack our rube-like, gun-loving, Constitution-hugging, religious fanatic society?

FWIW, any country that has currency units called "loonies" and "twonies" has no grounds for condescension.