My point is you don't need those high priced gizmos for extractions. I do ten or fifteen extractions a week and seldom pick up a forcep. Learned doing high volume extractions in the military and doing them quickly. Remember that a molar comes out one root at a time easier if you want to salvage the buccal plate and I want to do that on all my extractions. Elevators and hemostats on 75% of my extractions and hard ones also.
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
912-384-7400
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Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Physics Forceps question
Guy..I got my physic forceps last week...before I got them, I averaged about 2 ext./ month. Since I got them, I've taken out 3 molars and 6 bicuspids.
Love them! Debbie Reiner
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On Jul 30, 2013, at 12:54 PM, "Guy Moorman" <gmoor@windstream.net> wrote:
David, I've noticed since these discussions have popped up, that I very seldom use a forcep on most extractions. It is almost all elevations. I did eight lower molars and bicuspids…crowns and roots…on a mentally challenged patients yesterday and only used the deep grip 151 to pick up roots and crowns. I learned elevation in the military and it has stuck.
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
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Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] Physics Forceps question
I do not use physics forceps. Like you, Mike, I do my extractions with traditional forceps, and I RARELY have B plate fxs. And while I agree that most extractions can be done atraumatically with forceps, the mechanics are NOT the same as when using physics forceps. The bracing on the B plate is not something that the use of traditional forceps can mimic.
For me, the one place that I might be inclined to use them are on those upper or lower canine extractions where there is a long root, no perceivable PDL space, and very B positioning with a very thin buccal plate--the ones where it seems the B plate is "fused" to the root. The instances are rare--which does bring into question for me the value of the forceps--but if the ideal is to be followed regardless of cost, they probably make sense. I'm not yet convinced for me that the cost/benefit ratio favors buying them.
JMHO.
David R. Boag, DDS
On Jul 18, 2013, at 6:20 PM, MWaltzDMD@aol.com wrote:
At the risk of being destroyed,
I watched the videos and use the same process with regular forceps. Apply pressure and wait.....wait.... wait.... I was taught this from my local oral surgeon 20 years ago and apparently didn't believe him. Even saw him do it! How dumb is that?
He would extract a tooth in a minute and a half and I would tell the staff how hard that was, and they would look at me like I was crazy. Of course, I left and did not stay all day to see that this could be standard.
Now, I attempt the Physics method with regular forceps if the situation seems appropriate. Works really well. I also have a surgical high speed if it doesn't work. Either way, the tooth comes out.
If you have no forceps in the cabinet, Physics would be a good purchase. If you have dozens as I have, almost any "appropriate" forcep will do the same, waiting and waiting is the most important part.
Mike Waltz
In a message dated 7/18/2013 6:02:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drvoller@comcast.net writes:
I was watching some Physics Forceps videos on You Tube.
What's the incidence of fracturing the buccal plates? And if you watch the videos, several show that a high speed is used to remove bone to get a 'bite' or access on the lingual/palatal root of the tooth.
I do understand the 'physics' here, but those of you who have them. Any issues with fracturing the bone?
Just curious!
Ray
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