Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: Mr.. Alex Azebaze ERRONEOUSLLY in Defence of BAMILEKES

Monsieur January Tchouteu

Very interesting rebuttal as usual. I always enjoy reading and appreciating your deep historical knowledge of the issues at stake. The only problem: You seem to remove your objective intellectual hat and put on parochial "Mishe Fon don attaquer mon village" posturing. Forget for one moment that you are a true warm blood "Bami" and let me bring back just one paragraph of my mail once more for your perusal and second reading with a cooler temperament:

"As you may have noticed from the above Stats, the Bamilekes are a force to reckon with in Cameroon. I hope massa Tchouteu does not dispute this truism. They are very industrious, very enterprising and their "Fertility Rate" is alarming. Na Lie I tok?. It is not uncommon to see a Bamileke mammie with at least 10 natural children (one papa, one mammie). Who wants to argue with me here because I have full blown stats. They are in every nook and cranny of Cameroon. Did I exaggerate or twist the truth? They have "colonized" entire neighborhoods in all major Cameroon cities (Madagascar, Tsinga Elobi, Essos, Mendong, Nkoululung, Obili, Famla, Tamdja, Biyemassi, Nkomkana, Obobogo, Ndogpassi, Douche, Ndokotti, Bonamoussadi, Bonaberi, Omnisport etc). They are in Business, Government, Academia, Religion, Politics...in short (Bamis are everywhere). Monsieur January, Can you dispute this fact with verifiable data? But let us equally accept that our "Bami" brothers are very controversial and complicated, like the small business of not allowing Cameroonians of other Regions to settle or do business in their strongholds like (Bafoussam, Bafang, Mbouda, Foumban, Bangangte etc). You failed to convince me with the lone ranger case of the "Bamendrous lost sheep" who settled in Bangangte that you quoted to buttress your case.

We are (you and myself as well as a host of other intellectuals) supposed to educate our brothers and sisters...with nothing but absolute and verifiable truth about our History. That is why I love reading from you. Unfortunately, if you start looking at discussions with this negative prism, you completely disappoint me. I bring up issues here to spark up debates for our general understanding. I have no reasons to HATE anyone or talk down on any ethnic group. I am lucky to be born in a family with Bamendrous Bami/Ntongtou, Bassa Makaranah, join join blood. I speak my mind openly when I know it is the truth without any fears of generating controversy. Some may initially get angry but in hindsight, they will get to appreciate the pedagogy I use to stimulate genuine dialogue between brothers and sisters.

Mishe Fon

On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:59 PM, Tchouteu Janvier <j_kamerun@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Massa Fon, my Ngemba cousin,

You force the hands of some people to dwell on your Bami misinformation laced with some of the solid statistics you mentioned above, especially the Cameroonian union-nationalists of partial or full Bami extraction, thereby making them to appear to be Bamiphiles (Bamilekophiles) or ethno-centrists. I wonder whether it is "tronghead", ignorance or disingenuousness on your part, or whether I should not fault you at all, since most of us are the victims of the system, which imbued us with values (the system's divide and rule strategy) that make us see our next door neighbours as our worst enemies.

Well, I will look at things on the hopeful side because that will leave me with the conclusion that you are still wanting vis-a-vis Cameroonian history, especially the Bamileke part of it. After all, not long ago, you too were of the opinion that all the Bami Anglos, who make about 20% of the population West of the Mungo, are not indigenous West Cameroonians, that they were all refugees from the former French Cameroun, and that they were solely responsible for reunification, despite solid recounts from people like Augustine Agbor on the contributive roles of other Southern Cameroonian ethnic groups in the reunification campaign. In fact, you were/are of the opinion that Foncha was Bami, in the same manner that some American right-wingers claim Obama is a Muslim, or that he was born abroad.

A couple of days ago, you wondered why Bamis(in that case, I too) most of whose forebears were nationalists who fought in the Maquis or were victims of the French genocide against the populations that supported the UPC, left the SDF that Fru Ndi had been leading into the arms of the CPDM since 1997, the CPDM party he belonged in before, the party that is the custodian of the neo-fascist system put in place by France, which has been trying for close to a century to tag the Bamilekes as the internal enemy of other Cameroonian ethnic groups or the internal colonisers as they also chose to put it. You once ascribed to the crazy notion that Bami means of survival (or wealth in the third world look of things) was a gift from Ahidjo to buy their political silence---a classic way of making the victim(s) the culprit or perpetrators, or a solid pillar in the conspiracy haunting Cameroon today.

And today, this. Once again, collective blame is unacceptable. Fulanis are not responsible for Ahidjo's bloody rule. The entire Beti-Pahouin people should not be held accountable for Biya's disastrous thirty years in power; but we have to admit the fact that every single ethnic group, region, and many Cameroonian families have produced collaborators who helped to make this six-decade old system possible. True, some ethnic groups have contributed disproportionately more than others, but the collaborators were a minority in their respective populations. And proportionate-wise, the Bamis were/are not among the highest contributors.

I talked a while ago about my trip home to bury my father and my joyous encounter with other non-Bamis who had settled in Bangante, including my brother/cousin's Akum friend who like him built a house and decided to retire in Bangante, a man who apparently is more Bami than me, a man I mistook for a Bami because of his grasp of the language.

My brother, there were little or no pull factors in the Bamilekeland and Bamounland until recently. Their coziness with the Germans, independence spirit and dynamism made them a force to be crushed, if not subdued, by the new French masters. Their kings or nfons were overthrown and exiled in their numbers, which together with other factors depleted the region of its population (Sultan Njoya of the Bamouns, Nono or Nana Tchoutouo of the Bangouas, among others), their militant support for reunification and independence brought death and destruction to their homeland from the hands of the French army and the Cameroonian army they trained. Would you have wanted to settle there during the decade and a half of war? More than half of adult Bamis, in fact, more than 80% of adult Bamis born out of the Bamilekeland do not own landed property there. With the exception of a few Bami realms, the French scourge earth policy and the state of emergency laws cleared the Bamis from their ancestral homes and confined them to roadside camps, thereby breaking their bonds to their roots (settlements or homesteads that were isolated and got erased during the war) and denying them access to most of their land (one reason why there is a scarcity of land there---in a Bamilekeland that is hardly 3% of the national surface area of Cameroon). There isn't a single soul living in what was my paternal great-grandfather's compound, one reason why most of his Anglo-Bami descendants (more than half) have any attachment to their ancestral realm.

So, Mishe Fon, it is about time you dispel most of your unfounded notions of the Bamis and other Cameroonian peoples, look and dwell on our mutual compatibilities and stop being an enabler of the system's divide-and-rule policy that seeks to blame the Bamilekes for everything that goes wrong in Cameroon. And stop talking today of Bami Francos, when yesterday it was Bami Anglos. Knocking our heads on this Bami factor is a distraction and a futile endeavour for anybody promoting it.

All the best, my friend and brother,

Janvier Tchouteu-Chando

On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:00 PM, Mishe Fon <mishefon@yahoo.com> wrote:

Massa Alex Azebaze;

Here are a few statistics you cannot dispute.

Cameroon Population Demographics: (source: CIA Fact sheet)

65 Years and over.............. 3.4% Men= 340.926 Women = 380.748

55 yrs. - 64 yrs. .............. 4.3% 419.000 468.539

25 yrs. - 54 yrs. ............... 31.9% 3.317.545 3.240.298

15 yrs. - 24 yrs. ............... 20.3% 2.107.744 2.086.442

0 - 14 yrs. ............... 40.2% 4.151.374 4.076.295

Major Urban Areas in Cameroon

Yaounde Population .............. 2.438.897

Douala Population ................ 2.053.658

Bamilekes & Bamouns (semi Bantus/Tikars) ................. 38.6%

Beti, Pahuin, Bulu, Fang, Maka, Baka(pygmie)............... 17.3%

Hausa, Fulani, Foulbe, Toupuri, Mandara...................... 14.8%

Douala, Bassa, Bakweri, Bayangui .............................. 12.2%

Bamenda grassfield & assimilated............................... 16.9%

Mr Azebaze; you might be asking yourself why these statistics. Simple. You seem to have a tendency to develop hysteria when the name "Bamileke" is mentioned and have this unfortunate paranoid tendency of feeling that "Non-Bamis" are automatically against "Bamis" when the obvious is pointed out.

As you may have noticed from the above Stats, the Bamilekes are a force to reckon with in Cameroon. They are very industrious, very enterprising and their "Fertility Rate" is alarming. It is not uncommon to see a Bamileke mammie with at least 10 natural children (one papa, one mammie). They are in every nook and cranny of Cameroon. They have "colonized" entire neighborhoods in all major Cameroon cities. They are in Business, Government, Academia, Religion, Politics...in short (Bamis are everywhere). But let us equally accept that our "Bami" brothers are very controvertial and complicated, like the small business of not allowing Cameroonians of other Regions to settle or do business in their strongholds like (Bafoussam, Bafang, Mbouda, Foumban, Bangangte etc).

So Massa Azebaze, it is not anathema to discuss "Bamis" either positively or even negatively for that matter. You cannot dictate what I have to say or not say on any topic and that is why I will not delve into a tit for tat invective back and forth with you. Let us discuss the merits of the topics raised rather than engage in uncooth below the belt exchanges. Finally, you will agree with me that the Bamenda block as a single entity in alignment with the Bamilekes would constitute a formidable Political force in Cameroon but unfortunately, it is difficult to erase the "Francophone Mentality" in our Bami brodas.

I hope you,ve learned something from these exchanges.

Mishe Fon

From: Alex Gustave AZEBAZE DJOUAKA <agazebaze@gmail.com>
To: cameroon_politics <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: [New post] Parliamentary Election: SDF wins Northwest

Sorry Aaron,

je ne suis pas spécialement futé sur la détermination des originales ethniques des Camerounais. Surtout avec les plus de 300 que nous devons. Mais, mon cher Aaron, au lieu de te moquer de mon ignorance sur l'origine départementale de M. Osih - ce dont du rste je n'avais pas parlé - tu gagnerais à corriger. J'observe que tu écris que Osih est du Ndian. Est-ce une tribu ou une unité administrative? Pour ma part, j'ai la faiblesse de penser que le Ndian, Mamfé et autre sont des unités administratives et non des tribus.

Cela dit, je constate que tu ne dis rien sur les anlyses de tes frères/camarades politiques qui font des lectures essentiellement primitives de l'engagement politique des uns et des autres.

Dommage.

Le 22 octobre 2013 18:20, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien@gmail.com> a écrit :

Joshua Osih Nambangui est "Bayangui - Kribien"
Alors là, je tombe des nus!!!!!!!

Or tout le monde sait que Joshua est orinaire de Ndian d'om la
République extrait le pétrole et que les Bayanguis sont de Mamfe

Vraiment, le Cameroun, c'est vraiment le cameroun

On 10/22/13, Alex Gustave AZEBAZE DJOUAKA <agazebaze@gmail.com> wrote: > @ Mishe Fon, > Je ne sais pas quelle est ta source sur l'appartenance tribale des députés > SDF du Littoral. Puisque vous souhaiter faire une lecture tribale des > résultats du SDF dans le Wouri/Littoral - je ne sais spécialiement pas > pourquoi -, je me permets de corriger vos affirmations faites de préjugés > légers voire faux. > 1 - Comme pour la dernière législature, le SDF a obtenu 3 députés dans > Littoral, tous dans le département du Wouri sur les 9 possibles. Il s'agit > par ordre de i) Jean Michel Nintcheu, Bamileké selon votre grille mais > originaire de Banka dans la Haut-Nkam élu à Wouri Est, un fief des Bamileké > qui comprend Bépanda à Douala 5 et les quarties Villages à Douala 3; de ii) > Ernest Edimo, un Douala de Bonabéri qui selon vous ne comprendraient que > les anglophones alors même que la sociologie de ce quartie montre que les > Bamilekés y sont, une fois de plus majoritaire; et Joshua Oshi Nambangui > (un Banyangui/Kribien élu à Wouri Centre où la majorité des électeurs du > SDF vienne encore, une fois de plus du quartier Bamileke New-Deido. > 2 - Le 4é député de l'opposition Soub Lazare, a été élu sous la bannière du > MRC. Tout premier maire SDF de Douala 3è, ce Bamileké originaire de > l'ex-grand département de la Mifi fut renversé et exclu du SDF par des > gens qui estimaient qu'il y avait trop de Bamilekés à la tête des communes > de Douala en 1996, pour installer M. Mpeh Elie. > 3 - Le 4ème député du SDF en région francophone s'appelle Deffo Oumbé > Sangong. Il est Bamileké de de la Mifi, élu dans la circonscription de la > Mifi pour succéder à Serges Noumba, qui du fait de ses difficultés avec Ni > John Fru Ndi, n'avait pas été investi par le SDF et il dut se présenter en > dernière minute sous la bannière du MRC. Elu Conseiller avec 4 autres > membres du MRC, il vient d'ailleurs d'être suspendu de ce parti pour avoir > voté pour....le candidat RDPC Hilaire Foka Foka, au poste de Maire. > 4 - Vous noterez qu' à l'Ouest, l'un des rares communes contrôlée par > l'opposition est celle de Bafang. Elle a été remportée par ... l'Union des > Mouvement Socialistes (UMS) de Pierre Kwemo, ancien 1er Vice président > national du SDF élu au Congrès de 2006 mais interdit d'exercice de toute > activités politiques au sein du SDF 1 an après. Il en démissionna pour > créer son propre parti l'UMS avec lequel il a repris la ville de Bafang au > Rdpc qui l'avait ravie à l'UFDC en 2002 avec à sa tête M. Siyam Siwe, alors > DG du PAD. > > Pourquoi, je rappelle tous ces quelques faits-là? Pour montrer que les > Bamilekés n'ont jamais entendu quitter le SDF parce que ce dernier ne > voulait pas aller aux élections ou quoi, comme l'écrit mon cher Divine. > Mais les ambitions politiques personnelles régulièrement contrariées ont > fini par donner l'impression à quelques-uns, au début, et beaucoup plust > tard, qu'on les y voulait à des fonctions subalternes. Résultats beaucoup > qui sétaient investis dans ce parti l'ont quitté, souvent la mort dans > l'âme, pour des fortunes diverses. Je rappelle que le fait de contrarier > des ambitions politiques n'est exclusif aux personnes d'ethnie Bamileké. Je > connais des cadres du SDF, comme ceux du RDPC, qui ont du soit clquer la > porte, soit poussés à la porte soit démis sous des mobiles masquant souvent > à peine les guerre de positionnement. Alors arrêtons ces lectures primaires > des évolutions la scène politique nationale. Mais n'est-il pas révélateur > d'une conception particulièrement primaire chez certains compatriotes > d'expression anglophone, de la lutte pour l'émancipation des Camerounais? > Je m'interroge assez souvent en lisant nos combattants anglophones. Et je > comprends de mieux en mieux certaines logiques qui structureraient > l'engagement politique de certains leaders que nus croyions nationaux. > Je dis-ca-mais-je-ne-dis-rien > Bonne journée. > > > > 2013/10/21 Mishe Fon <mishefon@yahoo.com> >
>> **
>>
>>
>> *What happened to the so-called "Luv Affair" between the SDF and the

>> Bamilekes? Talk of "fair weather friends". From your analysis, we can say >> without any iota of contradiction that the SDF is now solidly a >> Bamendrous >> party...since the Bamis (who claimed to be the back bone and ATM machine >> that bank-rolls that Party) have silently "gone back" to the very >> CPDM/CNU Party that orchestrated the slaughtering of millions (Bamilekes, >> Bassas and Baminda peepoo) of what the French called "Les Maquizards du >> Cameroun". The lone SDF seat in the Littoral is attributed to the strong >> Bamendrous presence in most of Bonaberi and environs. If the Bamis have >> forgiven their "tortionnaires", my honest opinion is that, we the rest >> of Cameroonians should simply forget this "Elections façade" and everyone >> should become a CPDM in a "One Party" dispensation. Whom are we kidding >> here? Cameroonians are not ready for prime time politicking or we are not >> mature enough for any kind of democracy to take route. Let us allow >> tonton >> Popaul to govern until whenever he can no longer govern. When he becomes >> completely "cadavere", he can then bring any of his progeny to continue >> his >> legacy. I met Frank in New York. The guy is tall, nice and handsome, soft >> spoken, probably intelligent and looks "Presidentiable". Let tonton >> bring in "Fiston". Some man na head cow? Eyadema, Bongo, Kabila, the >> Clintons, the Bush's and many more are families "Destined" to rule. Look >> at >> the US Congress or Senate. Most of the members are Sons, Daughters or >> wives >> of ex-Senators & Congressmen. Honestly, if Frank Biya is catapulted to >> that >> prestigious post, he has my immediate endorsement. Opposition Oui? Quelle >> opposition? Vous vous fouttez de ma guelle ou quoi. Meme si Frank refuse >> l,offre, les Camerounais du RDPC et les soit disant opposants de "La >> Mangeoirite >> Presidentielle" vont lui prier par des Motions de Soutients venant de >> toutes les Provinces et la Diaspora (par radio, Internet, Facebook, >> Twitter...a briguer le Mandat Presidentiel pour continuer le "Bon >> Travail"
>> entame par tonton le Pere de la Nation". How man go do norh?*
>> *Mishe Fon*

>> >> >> On Monday, October 21, 2013 7:19 AM, Bamenda Online < >> donotreply@wordpress.com> wrote: >> Abongwa Fozo posted: " The Social Democratic Front, SDF has once more >> emerged as the strongest opposition party in the country thanks to its >> firm >> grip on the Northwest where the party won 13 of the 20 seats in the >> parliamentary election, leaving the CPDM with 7, down fro"
>> New post on *Bamenda Online*
>> <http://bamendaonline.net/?author=2> Parliamentary Election: SDF
>> wins
>> Northwest<http://bamendaonline.net/blog/parliamentary-election-sdf-wins-northwest/>
>> by
>> Abongwa Fozo <http://bamendaonline.net/?author=2>

>> [image: National Assembly] >> National Assembly >> The Social Democratic Front, SDF has once more emerged as the strongest >> opposition party in the country thanks to its firm grip on the Northwest >> where the party won 13 of the 20 seats in the parliamentary election, >> leaving the CPDM with 7, down from 9 in the 2007 election. >> The SDF won all three seats in Mezam, three of four seats in Bui, all >> two >> seats in Boyo, two of three seats in Momo,while both parties share two >> seats each in Donga Mantung, one each in Menchum, the CPDM gapped all two >> seats in Ngoketunja. >> The SDF also succeeded to add 5 more seats from the Littoral (3), >> Southwest (1) and West region (1) to emerge with a total of 18 seats in >> the >> 180 lower house of parliament. The 18 MPs mean the SDF would once more >> boast of a parliamentary Group alongside the CPDM that has 148 MPs. >> Some 5,481,226 people registered for the election using the biometric >> technology and 4,208,796 of them voted. Statistics from the >> Constitutional >> Council indicate that there were 1,272,430 abstentions, 185,503 void >> ballot >> papers, real votes being 4,023,293 registering a participation rate of >> 76.79 per cent. >> Seven political parties share the 180 seats with the National Union for >> Democracy and Progress, NUDP picking up five seats down from six, >> Cameroon >> Democratic Union, CDU maintained its four seats. The Union des >> populations >> du Cameroun, UPC staged a come back with three seats as well as the >> Dakole >> Daissala's Movement for the Defence of the Republic, MDR with one seat. >> The >> new comer is Maurice Kamto's Cameroon Renaissance Movement, CRM with one >> seat. The term of office of the Members of the National Assembly >> tomorrow, >> October 29, 2013 during the first parliamentary session.
>> *Below is the list of MPs Northwest Region according to party and
>> division*
>> *Boyo Division*

>> 1. NJONG EVARISTUS – SDF, BOYO >> 2. WAINANCHI NEGTOH HONOURINE– SDF, BOYO
>> *Bui Division*

>> 3. BANADZEM JOSEPH LUKONG– SDF, BUI WEST >> 14. MBIYBE CAROLINE– SDF, BUI WEST >> 5. KWEI ANDREW MNGO–RDPC, BUI WEST >> 6. WIRBA JOSEPH MBIYDZENYUY –SDF, BUI SOUTH
>> *Donga Mantung*

>> 7. AWUDU MBAYA CYPRIAN–SDF, DONGA MANTUNG CENTRE >> 8. NGALA ESTHER NTALA–SDF, DONGA MANTUNG CENTRE >> 9. GENESIS MBUCKSEK –RDPC, DONGA MANTUNG EAST >> 10. ABE MICHAEL NDRA–RDPC, DONGA MANTUNG WEST
>> *Menchum*

>> 11. NDONG LARRY HILLS–SDF, MENCHUM NORTH >> 12. WALLANG RICHARD EBUA –CPDM, MENCHUM SOUTH
>> *Mezam*

>> 13. FOBI NCHINDA SIMON–SDF, MEZAM CENTRE >> 14. FUSI NAAMUKONG WILFRED AZIYA–SDF, MEZAM NORTH >> 15. PAUL NJI TUMASANG–SDF, MEZAM SOUTH
>> *Momo*

>> 16. MBAH NDAM JOSEPH NJANG–SDF, MOMO EAST >> 17. EDENA ENIH MBAH–SDF, MOMO EAST >> 18. ENWE FRANCIS ABI–RDPC, MOMO WEST
>> *Ngoketunja*

>> 19. NJINGUM MUSA MBUTOH–CPDM, NGOKETUNJIA NORTH >> 20. BANMI EMMANUEL DINGHA –RDPC, NGOKETUNJIA SOUTH >> By Abongwa Fozo
>> *Abongwa Fozo <http://bamendaonline.net/?author=2>* | October 21, 2013

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