Re: SAF: Which is the real SMALL LONDON? SANTA or AKUM???

I grew up thinking that "Small London" was a name given by the "chest thumping and very proud" people of AKUM village near Santa. You know the Akum people were the first to go to Douala...mostly as "Motor-boys"...you know the types who used to put and remove "Wedge" from the Man No Rest SMOG Trucks of the time. When they returned from Douala, Anglophones could not "drink wata" again with the amount of French they were speaking. Some women are married to Akum peepoo today not because they were in luv with the guys but because they could easily move from Akum to French, then to Pidgin and back to French. The only Akums who could speak real English were those who had gone "overseas" and who came back and changed their accent. That is why a typical Akum conversation goes something like this "Bi Yi Bighne ghe la vraiement de Dieu, I be don langua you plusieurs fois que ma gette nkap a Douala and I studied in Edmondton, London where I took the Piccadily metro tubes from Heathrow Airport to Trafalgar square. Manne njuigni Queen Eleesabek, I shuwear to God. Manne mbagne tres branche".
How will an Akum mammie not be mesmerized and bamboozled by these fast talking, sleak sales men. The truth is, all Akum people are very PROUD.
Hear them again: "Ozhie gha? Ohne wah? Abeurre, Oh gette keh? Simple translation: Do you know me? Who are you to talk to me? Foolish Ngnie man, What do you have? Get out of my face." That is typical Akum mentality and normal conversation. You now understand why it is difficult for an Akum woman to marry a non Akum? Bicos dem mop no good.
Mishe Fon

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If I may be facetious like you, Santa was more developed than Mbouda and Bafoussam in the 50s.  It had more tall skyscrapers than Mbouda and Bafoussam.  At least we had mail delivery twice a day at Santa.  I am not so sure that existed at Mbouda or Bafoussam in the 50s.  Back then, Santa was floaded with refugees escaping the "chwi-chwi" war in French Cameroun.  Coming to Santa for most of the refugees was like going to London; and in fact it was, for, half of Santa is "Small London" anyway.  
 
SAF 
 
 

From: Gemo Edwin Yobo A <yobolibro@yahoo.com>
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The mailman only came twice a week when Bamenda is so close to Santa?I thought Santa was well developed and populated then to have mails delivered daily. Sent from my iPad
On Oct 3, 2013, at 6:55 AM, SAF <suhade@yahoo.com> wrote:
JTA,
 
What a revelation about the M people.  Just so a lot of readers might know what M stands for, please permit me to spell it out.  Munchi.  I grew up also thinking like most people that the night soil men were Munchi people. 
 
Concerning the mailing system, I am glad you finally agreed with Ndi Manjong.  We also had a Postal Agency at Santa, right across from our family compound.  The building is still there.  Twice a week, the mail man, one Mr. Ndikum, would go down to Bamenda and pick-up the mail destined for Santa Postal Agency.  Since our compound was right across the street, he would hand deliver my father&apos;s mail to him.  Today, Santa Postal Agency is no more.  What a shame.
 
SAF
 

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Hello Mr. Manjong,
Our life was great. If we were allowed to develop by ourselves, we would have developed faster. No reasonable person can refute the fact that East Cameroon has benefitted disproportionately more from post independence development than West Cameroon. Nonetheless, we should avoid the temptation of embellishment. As it concerns the mail system, we are now in agreement about the efficiency of distribution through large mail bags which carried mail to even remote villages. The mailbag for my village was kept in the school compound under the charge of the head master. Now, there is nothing. Big organizations like the CDC had their own internal mailing systems that worked hand-in-hand with the post office. Our mail man at CPC, a certain gentleman we just called Mathias, brought us mail six times a week, without failing. Yes, those were great times we should not be ashamed of. Well, "Small&apos;, a lot of what you have recalled now is factual and full of nostalgia.
 
About bucket toilet: I remember using some of those toilets in clerks quarters when I used to visit relatives there during school vacations; and during my one year stint as a lab technician at Ekona Research, I also used them as well. Actually, most of those people who cleaned the buckets were not from Nigeria from any "M" tribe. They were from one of the many Manyu ethnic groups, but people mistook them for Nigerians. I came to know a lot of them during my stint at Ekona. Have fun.
 
JTA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
If You do not know Your  Capabilities and Limitations, You are a Danger to Yourself and Society.

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Subject: Re: [boba-list] Re: [camnetwork] @FEN: RE: Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete
 
"Big" Ashu, We might each have retained different memories. Until now that you mention Nangah whom I knew for other things, my memory had it that the business enterprise of Mr. Kilo of Sop-Nso had the mail distribution business for West Cameroon. The post office had Private Mail Bags (PMB) for large organizations, smaller business and individuals with no accessible street address, could own or share post office boxes (PO Box). I stand by my claim that mails were distributed at mapped out (Numbered) street addresses in parts of Victoria (Down Beach and Clerks Quarters for example). I wonder if you remember that at Clerks Quarters residents defecated in arranged buckets and paid persons (mostly of a Nigerian tribe "M" people emptied the buckets at night down River Ngoko, present day River Limbe into the sea). Life was promising and good in its own way as people found time to enjoy nature at the famous Botanical Garden and with visits to the Bota and West Coast Beaches alongside streams of visitors from as far away as Germany and on weekends from places like Douala. Great shops like Glamour and Printania brought shoppers from Douala to Victoria; and even the French had business reasons to have a Renault vehicle business (sales and repairs) at Down Beach. I must be honest to "Small" Victor that no town in the present North West, including Bamenda had numbered street addresses. Life in his native Bali had some uniqueness. The Fielding compound on the right as you drove in from Nakah did not seem to belong to a Bali man; so was the Foutung compound by the Bali Stripe on the way to CPC and their unfinished replica of the Buea Lodge at Ntaiton. The German, Suffer Baker on the hill to the left as one is about to drive into Njenka provided his own uniqueness to the Bali mix. The Council Health Center notwithstanding, the Bali Rainbow Chemist shared with the Bamenda Rainbow Chemist (today&apos;s City Chemist) the most northerly branches of the famous Victoria Rainbow Chemist. The Bali Water Supply system was unique. Unlike other "graffi" people, the people of Bali lived together in the center and went to their farms on the out skate on motor able roads; with the men riding their bicycles with double-barrel guns hanging to their backs as their mark of manly readiness. The Bali Modern Jazz had risen to the West Cameroon Modern Jazz and retired to the village to provide local entertainment before going out of business. The prospects were good, great and promising until slowly the politics from the domineering East of the Mungo choked all off. It was necessary to change the topic about the Victoria loss to Kribi. Mr. Atogho sure has some comforting reason as to how the profitable West Cameroon Marketing Board was plundered by the Office National de Produits de Base (ONPB); pardon my poor French spellings. NDI MANJONG.
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From: James Ashu <jamesashu@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 14:10:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [boba-list] Re: [camnetwork] @FEN: RE: Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete

 
Please, do not allow yourself to have a stroke because the senior Bob has exaggerated a bit. I agree that the mailing system has degenerated consistently since the good old days of Nangah. However, I do not agree that mail was ever distributed in any town in West Cameroon (Southern Cameroon) from door to door. Young Bob, I lived and worked during that period.
 
JTA 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
If You do not know Your  Capabilities and Limitations, You are a Danger to Yourself and Society.

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Subject: Re: [boba-list] Re: [camnetwork] @FEN: RE: Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete
 
Senior Bob, this is the kind of reminder that can lead one to think himself to a stroke.
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:28:56 +0000
Subject: [boba-list] Re: [camnetwork] @FEN: RE: Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete

 
Part of the tragedy of our regression is that many do not know or have forgotten that before and a few years after 1961, mails were delivered at street addresses in towns like Victoria, Tiko, Buea, Kumba, etc.NDI MANJONG.
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From: Tumasang Martin <tumasangm@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 10:46:25 +0000
Subject: [camnetwork] @FEN: RE: Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete

 
Hi, I like your idea of putting police on the street to resuscitate night life in our towns and cities, and also the issue of numbering houses for various reasons including but not limited to delivery of mails/parcels, rating of property to generate money for councils, identification/location for banks to lend money, traceability for service of court and other documents etc. The benefits are countless.   Regards  Tumasang  
To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com From: hittback@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 03:33:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Re: [camnetwork] RE: Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete 
Mr Atogho
Do not misrepresent the issue here. The question behind the proposal is, "Why would the CPDM government refuse to do such a thing for the Cameroon citizens?" That investment alone will need billions of frs to start. How would anybody like myself come about such an amount of money? But government might make that happen by inviting willing partners from overseas. All they need is to approach the service the way we see it done in succesful cities over seas and that is why I sent such a thing to people like you. Public transportation has been reintroduced in many African cities but in very crude ways and they have never worked. They need a very refined system and it will work like magic.
But here you are with that CPDM mentality trying to mis-inteprete it by saying I want to work with the CPDM regime.
 But you are a bootlicker because you are  trying to deceive Cameroonians about the merits of a regime  that has none. There are probably good people within the regime, but they call a spade a spade. Not you. I don&apos;t call them bootlickers. So you see the difference. If you spoke an honest truth while serving the regime no one like me will come after you with such scathing criticism. I only go after people who lie to the Cameroon public as if they (the liars) are the only ones who see  and know what know what is happening in Cameroon.
I have also made a suggestion about increasing job creation by merely improving in public security. Does it mean I want to be a policeman too or I want to take over the national security service?
In case you did not read that let me tell you what I suggested.
I will take Bamenda, the town I know best as an example. Do you remember how many night clubs and bars were in Bamenda in the late sixties to late eighties?  About twenty in small Bamenda. What about Bafoussam, Nkongsamba, Douala, Yaounde, Kumba, Victoria, Mamfe etc etc? How many jobs do you think such nightlife industry would create? This night life created a whole brand of the entertainment industry on its own. Can you guess how many full time direct and indirect jobs it created accross the board? All just because people would choose to relax away from home confident that they will return to their homes anytime without the danger of being murdered by armed bandits on their way.  The taxi business will boom, catering business will boom, petrol stations will increase sales almost by 75%. You can imagine the multiplier effect here. And this can be accomplished without government spending anything apart from deploying policemen on the city streets of Cameroon. Government pays policemen now who are seen in their hundreds during the day stopping drivers and forcing them to hand over  500frs. As soon as night falls they all disappear to places no one knows. Government does not necesarily need additional manpower in the police force to provide this necessary secure environment. Unfortunately your government thinks jobs can be created only when recruitment is done into the civil service.  With the absence of this entertainment industry part of our culture is not developing. We hardly hear of playwrights working, and actors taking to the stage in Cameroon. What will it cost your government to provide Cameroonians this security so they can do what they want in the evenings? After nine in Bamenda, the whole town is almost a ghost town. It is my town and I know it well. Very soon you will come to lie to Cameroonians that everything is alright  and that is what pisses me off. It seems you alone see a Cameroon the rest of us don&apos;t see.
Lastly, what is wrong with you people numbering/naming streets and assigning house numbers for proper identification? Do you know what economic activity will generate from such an orderly restructuring of our urban neighbourhoods? What is so difficult in doing that? Just doing that alone will create jobs and the government will not need to be creating useless positions in the civil service just to absorb jobless youth. Now tell me  again that because of all these suggestions and proposals it is because I want to work in the CPDM government. I am just wondering why a government won&apos;t want to do anything which will not actually require any capital investment but will go a long way to solve a great proportion of the nation&apos;s problem  - unemployment. What do you people think  and discuss about in the hundreds of meetings you hold everyday? What research or investment is needed to deploy policemen on the streets? What research and investment is needed to name streets and number houses?
FEN  


From: "mawuro@yahoo.com" <mawuro@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [camnetwork] RE: Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete
 
Wow, you are very entertaining… I am trying hard to take you seriously but the truth is that I have failed so far…
 
If you think I am a bootlicker of the CPDM, why would you send me a business proposal? Is that because you want to work with a bootlicker, or are you hoping this supposed bootlicker will take your proposal to the CPDM government so that you can work with them? And if you are willing to work with the CPDM government, what makes you think I have no right to consider working for them? More to the point, if you are willing to work with the CPDM on your business proposal, does that make you a bootlicker, or simply a higher class bootlicker???

You certainly don't know me. But in your frustration you are more than happy to lump all the Atoghos together, is that correct? Do I really need to point out that generalizations always lead to a very slippery slope?

Anyway, thanks for the entertainment :).

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Pleae Owona Jules
Now you are Atogho&apos;s lawyer. Who would not know Atogho? I lived in Bamenda,  attended secondary and  highschool in the late seventies and eighties in Bamenda. Why wouldn&apos;t I know Atogho?Who wouldn&apos;t? Is he a ghost?  It is you Owona who seem to be a ghost. Atogho is no ghost. He has been Atogho ever since and   a boot licker too as well. I know his village. He is from Njikwa or there abouts. Since the roads are in a very deplorable state all the time its hard for people to go to such places except one cannot do without. Even if he is not Enyi or Eni Atogho he comes from the same stock. He follows the Atogho line. So why would I not know him?
Maybe you say things inhere without meaning them. Most of us are not that deceitful. When we complain we complain from our hearts and try to be as truthful as possible. You support the CPDM on the platform of falsehood and try to convince people that white is black. But you are deceiving your self because we are not strangers in Cameroon.
 The proposal I sent to you, I did same to Atogho and just like him you have refused to even make a comment on it. Either my ideas are correct or wrong, feasible or unfeasible. If you want to convince people like us about the good intentions of your government just explain why any proposal like that would be bad for Cameroon. Like I said, such ideas are just sketches of what can be implemented after a more detailed and professional  study can be made. So why can&apos;t you tell Cameroonians why such things as I have proposed will be bad for Cameroonians? You are here complaining that I claim to know Atogho.  Why would anybody not know him? Is he a phantom or is there any pride in knowing him?
FEN


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Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: [camnetwork] RE: Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete

 
Dear Mr. Owona,

For many, it is always comforting to presume to know people or certain things. This is usually the false premise that prejudices many utterings....

Have a nice week.

Rgds, Awuro Atogho.
---In camnetwork@yahoogroups.com, <ogeorgesjules@...> wrote:
FEN,

It would seem you know so much about Mr Atogho. If not, I do not see how you can describe him as a bootlicker by virtue of an article he posted in which he is not even the author. Except I am missing something. Sent from my iPhone 4S 


On 24/09/2013, at 1:30 PM, Divine Rhyme <hittback@...> wrote:

 
CUE,
The sentence "I don&apos;t think so" was supposed to be after the first line, but I mistakenly inserted it where it is now. That is why I reposted a corrected version of the posting.
Anyway to answer your question, so long as we have these boot lickers there, nothing will improve. This man called Atogho comes from a village which is just about 40km from my own town Bamenda. The road to his village is horrible and only 4x4 vehicles can go there. That does not bother him. He lives in Yaounde and he is not even a rich man considering how African politicians are.  But as a government appointee he enjoys certain benefits and is a "big man" in his village. He does not give a damn if his village people have a means of marketing their farm produce or not. All of them supporting the ruling party are like that. The Francophones (East Cameroonians) are the big business people in Cameroon.There are very few English speaking people who do real business in Cameroon. What makes the Atoghos and the rest of them sell off their own people like that, I can never understand.
 But people who thought there was going to be a deep seaport in Victoria which is just few kilometers from Douala must be dreaming. I have never bought that insane idea. By road from Douala to Victoria is about 45km. By sea it would be much less. Why would government build two seaports in almost the same place?
But that is not even the issue. It is purely political. The moment the road is completed between Enugu and Bamenda next time when I am home I will just call you one week end and within a few hours you will be in Bamenda and after a bottle or two and some real fufu corn, njama njama   or Kahti kahti , you will be on your way back to to Ikom. Simple. Douala will become an alien land to us. Besides I don&apos;t even understand much french anyway. So weti consign me there, anyway?
FEN


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" .... Do you guys really believe any meaningful economic investment project can be done in West Cameroon by this regime? If it happens to succeed itself the same neglect will occur. I don&apos;t think so. But there will always be cosmetic gestures which the boot lickers like Atogho and the rest of them will point out as development projects. ... " FEN FEN, what you wrote below and excerpted above must be of serious concern to the long suffering folks of West Cameroon! Pity. What us to be done? CUE
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From: Divine Rhyme <hittback@...>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:44:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete

 
Ndi Manjong,
Do you guys really believe any meaningful economic investment project can be done in West Cameroon by this regime? If it happens to succeed itself the same neglect will occur. I don&apos;t think so. But there will always be cosmetic gestures which the boot lickers like Atogho and the restof them will point out as development projects.
But unfortunately most of us do not also have what it takes to look at anything critically. Since 1972, the only stretches of tar in West Cameroon has been  Tiko/Douala, Santa/Fundung and Santa Batibo and all put together not up to 100km! But then the quality of these rods has been more of an insult than anything else. With the exception of the Tiko/Douala road, it was well done only to enable the transportation of petrol from the Victoria refinery; other wise the road would have been the same quality like the Fundong, and Batibo roads. I was in Bamenda when the Batibo road was being done. It was a real humiliation for a government  to  do such low quality work for a people of a particular part of the country. Just go to East Cameroon and you will never see any stretch of tarred road surface done so poorly. I wonder if any of these roads in our territory was constructed with up to 3 inches of tar. They were done in a typical style i.e concrete spread on the surface and liquid tar poured on it and left to bind while sinking to the concrete below.
But that is beside the point I want to make. Just take some time and let your mind roam freely and  wildly trying to imagine the economic impact of tarring the Kumba/ Mamfe , the Ekok/Bamenda, and the Ring Roads. The economic independence of the West Cameroon people will be complete and total almost immediately! Yes, we will still be bound to the so called United Republic of Cameroon theoretically, but in any practical and cultural sense we will be independent - and thanks to the foresight of our people who put up the heroic struggles  maintaining our educational and legal systems.  The day the Kumba/Mamfe road will be done, who in his right mind would want to go to Douala and decide to pass through Bafoussam?  Who in his right mind would want to buy anything through Douala? It will make economic sense to import everything through Nigerian ports even if we want to avoid it - and why should we?
Don&apos;t you just picture that a tarred Ring Road will immediately act as cutting the umbilical cord that linked us to East Cameroon? They will never let that happen! So long as we insist in maintaining our inherited colonial Anglo saxon culture in our educational and legal systems, we will remain in economic Limbo.
But the facts are clear. Though I personally hate the influence Nigeria has on us, facilitating further closeness to Nigeria will be  suicidal to East Cameroon if they really want to maintain the United republic. Even with the significant decrease in the number of Nigerians in our West Cameroon  towns since the late eighties, and the difficult road network between them most of these towns are still  just like miniature Nigerian towns.    
Now that the East Cameroon government has been forced to accept the  tarring of Ekok /Bamenda, when forced again to do Mamfe /Kumba, not only Nigerian films will  now flood in to drown West Cameroon. The Nigerian themselves will increase their presence again giving more Nigerian flavour to West Cameroon.
FEN

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Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete

 
How did the long promised Victoria Deep Sea Port become the Kribi Deep Sea Port overnight? Some wise men are suggesting that the North West will have everything it needs if every vote there goes to the CPDM. Did Victoria lose to Kribi because the South West has been known to vote SDF? How humiliating it must be for the Prime Minister to visit the port his Victoria lost to Kribi. It probably has never crossed his mind given the politics between the ideologies of beggars and owners. In the said politics, the ideological owners always win over the ideological beggars. The politics of demanding to have by right and in fairness works better than the politics of begging to have.

NDI MANJONG. 

From: Martin Atogho <mawuro@...>
To: Martin <mawuro@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: [camnetwork] Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete

 
Cameroon - Prime Ministerial visit to the Kribi deep sea port site: Port is 70% complete

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