RE: [MTC Global] On the job learning Vs MBA

It's not fair to rundown enmasse on all the Research Scholars and the Guides.
There are research scholars who are genuinely interested to pursue research and add to the existing body of knowledge. But due to paucity of time (being overburdened with work etc) and not getting requisite support are not able to do justice to their work. 
May be we all together can do whatever little we can to enable them to do quality work.
Regarding industry expert as Co guide it's a good suggestion.  A combination of experience plus theoretical framework will do good. 
Now that we are on the last day of 2013 and ushering into 2014, let's resolve to offer constructive criticism so as to improvise the existing system or practice.
With best wishes
DrAJagan Mohan Reddy


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From: Dr R P Singh <rpsingh55@hotmail.com>
Date: 31/12/2013 12:39 (GMT+05:30)
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Subject: RE: [MTC Global] On the job learning Vs MBA


Dear all,

Wish you all a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year 2014.

I  fully agree   with Dr Prabhakar on the quality of Research in the country today.  Ph D theses  in many cases have been  inferior than even MBA summer training reports unfortunately. I have personally experienced  that  during my  30 years interaction with many Ph D Scholars and MBA summer interns incidentally.

I have also seen many a  Ph D scholars, including some of them being faculty members themselves in  colleges,  distributing data collection instruments directly photocopied from  books, without much relevance with the topic. Many Ph Ds are awarded by  universities on the reports prepared by  scholars on the so called  studies of very common topics in single  organisations with very small sample sizes.

I remember one of the Ph D  Candidate accepting to me candidly  that it had not added to his intellectual knowledge / competence  at all  on the day he was awarded the degree.

The standardization in Ph D is woefully lacking. Some effort has been made by UGC in this direction recently but much more innovative initiatives are desired. 

I am afraid, how many Ph D guides are really masters of the subjects on which they are guiding the scholars. They can not  even be expected either. The need for introducing the  concept of Professional co-guide, an expert on the topic, alongwith Academic Guide  is of paramount importance today, specially in management education, to improve the quality of research and learnings to the scholars. 

I understand, some universities have taken such initiatives. I hope many others  will initiate many more innovative approaches to improve the quality of research in the country.

Regards,

Dr R P Singh

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:51:30 +0000
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Subject: Re: Re: [MTC Global] On the job learning Vs MBA
From: waghodekar@rediffmail.com
CC: v.nagarajan99@gmail.com

Let me cite a few cases of PhDs:

1.
In 1985 I returned from IIT, KGP and my friend told me he has received PhD in Personnel
Management from the University, his hypothesis was those students who completed PT Diploma
from the Correspondence Cell Institute of the State were well placed in life, his sample was
25 students and a questionnaire.
2.
One IIT offered PhD in Humanity sometimes during 1995-98 on Quality Factors of Technical
Education, use of a questionnaire, the factors having highest frequency were proposed as
quality factors of Technical Education.
3.
During 1988-92, I had an opportunity to go through one PhD thesis in Economics of the a
University in Maharashtra. The hypothesis was Sahyadri Sugar Factory at Karad has improved the
standard of living of the people. Sample size 12, against 1200 workforce, the candidate could
not answer some queries on balance sheet prepared by somebody else; a part of thesis.

Let me put on record that universities in Maharashtra and Southern States stopped appointinmg
me as PhD/ME/M Tech/MBA examiner because I could not compromise with quality.

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:53:29 +0530 wrote
>Dear MTCians,
The issue raised by Dr.Bholnatha on On the Job Learning vs.MBA
Unfortunately, today's class room learning and education are limited to theoretical studies
only, whether it is Engineering or Management discipline. Leave alone the students, what about
the knowledge level of the faculty members who teach Management and Engineering ? Are they
exposed to practical experience as to what is required in industries once the students who are
taught by them come out of the college NEST?

 The faculty members before getting their doctorate degrees, prepare a nice questionnaire and
post it to several industries and request them to fill and send back which they will use for
the purpose of submission to the examining authorities.These questionnaires are mostly not
self made but downloaded from Google and several Websites.Such questionnaires contain issues
such as Method of recruitment, Training & Development, Attitudinal aspects, Growth prospects,
Canteen and other welfare administration, Product range and market trend, Competitors,
Industrial relations problems, Turn over of the company, Union-Mgt relations prevailing in
that particular industry where they are collating the data.

Once they submit the questionnaires duly filled, it satisfies the Project requirements for
their doctorates. How it really helps the candidate in knowing and understanding the
intricacies of Management or the Engineering  aspects of an industry? Unless they undergo
practical exposure on line in the shop floor they cannot learn anything which is actually
required of an  engineering or a management graduate. What is that they can teach the students
in the management  institutions? MBAs must  be Master of Business Administration and not
Master of BAD Administration.

MBA degrees were once deemed as a coveted degrees but nowadays it is available at a call. Not
that the entire MBA population is average or below average, but there are also outstanding
candidates who do well and excel in their studies  and become efficient managers also. A
situation must come when  all the MBAs become professionals or small entrepreneurs or
management consultants.  Nowadays we find 50 to 60 % of the MBA graduates are hunting for jobs
and underemployed. Students cannot be blamed for this. It is the curriculum that matters.

What is required is more of practical learning rather than of theoretical learning.Regards,

V.NAGARAJAN, B.A., LL.B.,PGDBA, PGDCA,Corporate Trainer & HR Consultant,
Motivational & Keynote Speaker,General Manager-HR (Retd.) TTK Prestige Limited, Hosur,
Former President & Advisor - National HRD Network, Hosur Chapter,(Mobile) +91 9994919619e-
Mail Id:  vnagarajan99@gmail.com



On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Prof. Bholanath Dutta wrote:

Graduate degrees, including the MBA, have proliferated in subjects and fields where on-the-job
learning used to be standard. Instead of being paid to learn, you must now pay to learn. So
careers which used to stretch from college graduation at 21 to retirement at 65 are now
compressed between graduate school graduation in your late 20s and early retirement in your
early 50s. You now have two decades to maximise your lifetime earnings rather than four.


The questions this poses for MBA programmes are ethical ones. Do they provide sufficient value
to students whose career spans are shrinking? Is it right for them to charge what they do for
the service they provide? Or are they peddling a qualification which has simply transferred
the burden of educating managers from companies to individuals, who now have ever decreasing
time left to cover its cost?


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