If reservation means compromise with quality/competency, even if it is for a defined period, it is damaging the nation for ever.
Regards
Virendra Goel
From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tarun Das
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 1:49 PM
To: MTC Global
Subject: RE: [MTC Global] RE: India a view point
It is said that poverty breeds poverty and richness begets richness. Therefore, my view on this debate is that any reservation policy or welfare scheme per se is not bad, so long as it is effectively targeted to the really needy and weaker sections of the society and becomes an engine of social change over time, but there has to be a sun-set clause so that it does perpetuate itself and degenerate just to reap the benefits.
Dr. Tarun Das
World Bank Technical Adviser (Public Debt Management and Policy)
Deepening MTBF and Strengthening Financial Accountability Project
Ministry of Finance, Government of Bangladesh, Dhaka.
Website: www.spemp.com/ www.mof.gov.bd/dmtbf
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 23:02:40 -0800
From: oberoi50@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] RE: India a view point
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Our Constitution may be suitable for countries where there is one religion, one language, cultural traditions etc. Our Constitution is basically 1935 Act devised by the British, marginally modified by some inputs from Australian, Irish, etc Constitutions. It has little to do with large mix of Indian population.
There are a large number amendments and there many are many in pipeline. In addition there are a number of clauses which have not been or cannot be implemented for various reasons.
India is a large country with each region having varying degree of development. Fact that there is no proper and balanced development either of human resources or economical development indicates serious lacuna in our Constitution. Large portion of blame must rest with the politicians; but these politicians are product of the system.
Hence whatever line of thought we may have we cannot help finding problem with our Constitution.
Regards,
Satish
On Tuesday, 3 December 2013, 11:10, Virendra Goel <goel.virendra@gmail.com> wrote:
My contention is that since equal opportunities is not possible given the large gaps in education, in living conditions, in social structures and in so many other areas, the right way is to empower the weak, BPL, BOP or by whatever name you call, by providing free education facility (and this should include all kinds of skills development including social and soft skills) to the extent that they will have equal opportunity in the career based on their merit will not be dogged by label of reserved class . Some NGOs have achieved good results are worth adopting as models.
Regards
Virendra Goel
From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Imimarla@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 6:55 AM
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Cc: kamaltaori@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] RE: India a view point
Dear Shri Goel,
of course: if there are equal opportunities in reality, no reservation and/or other artificial humbug is needed! Only, the decision makers at all levels don't want this, and this the crux of all the failed (pseudo) "welfare" schemes and whatnot. Eyewash, in my opinion.
Reservation is but a band-aid for a deep wound where band-aid won't help at all, but is the reason for the wound to fester further! We all seem to have got used to it, and "political correctness" is the most evil mantra to protect the existing inequality. By the way: supported by all political parties in their greed for power and money.
Greetings,
Irmel V. Marla (Sociologist/Anthropologist)
Chairperson: International Institute for Holistic Research and Voluntary Action (India-Germany) in collaboration with Rural Business Hub Foundation India
German Handy: 0049(0)17626259412
India, Vellanad - 695543, Kerala, India
Mob. 0091(0)9388957882
The International Institute provides overall guidance to RBHFI with international connectivity. This is to activise viable investment opportunities without grants, rebates and subsidies. By recognising performers and lobbying for people-oriented, humane policies, both institutions strive for an egalitarian society and a peaceful world.
Our main fields of action are HRD, cross-culture issues, Disaster Management, Panchayat Raj and grassroot empowerment, self-employment and enhancing employability, and bridging the gap between white and blue collar labour through holistic approach to education and training.
Publications in India:
Marla/Taori: Operationalising Holistic Human Development. Food for Thought and Ideas for Action in the Rural Context (Concept Publishing Company, New Delhi, 2007)
Marla/Taori: Misery of Leadership - A Holistic Approach to Good Leadership (authorspress, New Delhi, 2011)
In a message dated 02-12-2013 23:04:37 India Standard Time, goel.virendra@gmail.com writes:
In order to meet the equal opportunity to all, we need to provide same opportunities in the village that are available in the city, equal opportunity for BPL that is available to elite of the nation, equal opportunity to a factory worker that is available to a mill owner, equal opportunity to women that is available to men – Is reservation only hurdle to the lack of equal opportunities?
Regards
Virendra Goel
From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Imimarla@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 4:08 PM
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Cc: kamaltaori@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] RE: India a view point
Dear Shri Goel,
reservation/quota systems are always adverse to sound, meritorious development. That is why it cannot be substituted by any other type of reservation system, it can only be abolished. Equal opportunities to all, that is what is needed and for this, Indian society has to mature in a strong civil society without superstitions and the like. Alas, our educational institutions purport superstitions and all concepts/ideologies/religions related to these. We have to fight exactly on this front, not compromising on more 'convenient' issues. Committed, enlightened teachers could be at the forefront - but: where are they???
Greetings,
Irmel V. Marla (Sociologist/Anthropologist)
Chairperson: International Institute for Holistic Research and Voluntary Action (India-Germany) in collaboration with Rural Business Hub Foundation India
German Handy: 0049(0)17626259412
India, Vellanad - 695543, Kerala, India
Mob. 0091(0)9388957882
The International Institute provides overall guidance to RBHFI with international connectivity. This is to activise viable investment opportunities without grants, rebates and subsidies. By recognising performers and lobbying for people-oriented, humane policies, both institutions strive for an egalitarian society and a peaceful world.
Our main fields of action are HRD, cross-culture issues, Disaster Management, Panchayat Raj and grassroot empowerment, self-employment and enhancing employability, and bridging the gap between white and blue collar labour through holistic approach to education and training.
Publications in India:
Marla/Taori: Operationalising Holistic Human Development. Food for Thought and Ideas for Action in the Rural Context (Concept Publishing Company, New Delhi, 2007)
Marla/Taori: Misery of Leadership - A Holistic Approach to Good Leadership (authorspress, New Delhi, 2011)
In a message dated 02-12-2013 15:33:18 India Standard Time, goel.virendra@gmail.com writes:
In my opinion we do need reservation system but of different nature. We need institutions where free education will be provided to have-nots and drown trodden societies to make them competitive to earn their place based on their merits. Efforts of Prof. Anand in Patna could emulated by the Government. A small effort in this direction was made through Navoday Vidyalaya which gave excellent results for first few years and then same corruption entered into these institutions also and today they have remained only for name sake. RtE is a step in right direction on paper but its implementation is so lousy that soon it will lose its relevant. Ensure that facility is given only to those who are willing to invest time and effort and ensure that schools are reimbursed all the cost (not only tuition fees) and we can have good results. But today the state of affairs is that admissions are made on the paper but majority of the students do not attend the schools because then can not afford other costs of uniforms, books, transport, food etc.
Regards
Virendra Goel
From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Imimarla@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 6:07 PM
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Cc: kamaltaori@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] RE: India a view point
Dear N. Chandrsekhar,
I am glad to have found someone like-minded - I get a lot of flak from various sides, but obviously, all have th!eir own (not-so hideable!) agendas. Especially political outfits: they need the reservation system as it is an easy tool fro them to play the votebank card.
Let reason and a humane mindset prevail!
Greetings,
Irmel V. Marla (Sociologist/Anthropologist)
Chairperson: International Institute for Holistic Research and Voluntary Action (India-Germany) in collaboration with Rural Business Hub Foundation India
German Handy: 0049(0)17626259412
India, Vellanad - 695543, Kerala, India
Mob. 0091(0)9388957882
The International Institute provides overall guidance to RBHFI with international connectivity. This is to activise viable investment opportunities without grants, rebates and subsidies. By recognising performers and lobbying for people-oriented, humane policies, both institutions strive for an egalitarian society and a peaceful world.
Our main fields of action are HRD, cross-culture issues, Disaster Management, Panchayat Raj and grassroot empowerment, self-employment and enhancing employability, and bridging the gap between white and blue collar labour through holistic approach to education and training.
Publications in India:
Marla/Taori: Operationalising Holistic Human Development. Food for Thought and Ideas for Action in the Rural Context (Concept Publishing Company, New Delhi, 2007)
Marla/Taori: Misery of Leadership - A Holistic Approach to Good Leadership (authorspress, New Delhi, 2011)
In a message dated 01-12-2013 17:52:37 India Standard Time, mithmerc@hotmail.com writes:
Well said Irmel V Marla. We have to follow a system for 'all of human beings' and not lower the standards for a certain class of people. A law is a law for all and goal posts cannot be altered suiting the circumstances. When you do this the politicians take advantage and make use of the altered goal posts! They tend to play between communities, people and systems!
Warm regards
N Chandrasekhar
From: Imimarla@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:15:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] RE: India a view point
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
CC: kamaltaori@aol.comDear Satish,
there's nothing wrong with our Constitution! The problem is that our (political and other) decision makers violate it continuously, and that the reservation system is adverse to any sustainable development. These have to be tackled!
Greetings,
Irmel V. Marla (Sociologist/Anthropologist)
Chairperson: International Institute for Holistic Research and Voluntary Action (India-Germany) in collaboration with Rural Business Hub Foundation India
German Handy: 0049(0)17626259412
India, Vellanad - 695543, Kerala, India
Mob. 0091(0)9388957882
The International Institute provides overall guidance to RBHFI with international connectivity. This is to activise viable investment opportunities without grants, rebates and subsidies. By recognising performers and lobbying for people-oriented, humane policies, both institutions strive for an egalitarian society and a peaceful world.
Our main fields of action are HRD, cross-culture issues, Disaster Management, Panchayat Raj and grassroot empowerment, self-employment and enhancing employability, and bridging the gap between white and blue collar labour through holistic approach to education and training.
Publications in India:
Marla/Taori: Operationalising Holistic Human Development. Food for Thought and Ideas for Action in the Rural Context (Concept Publishing Company, New Delhi, 2007)
Marla/Taori: Misery of Leadership - A Holistic Approach to Good Leadership (authorspress, New Delhi, 2011)
In a message dated 29-11-2013 16:20:11 India Standard Time, oberoi50@yahoo.com writes:
Sir,
In my humble view we neither lack patriotism nor will to excel.Even before independence we had Nobel laureates, international sports persons, scientists etc. All these people have vanished post independence. One can easily deduce that problem is with our governance which directly depends on our Constitution.
I maintain we need to urgently look at our Constitution if we want to make headway
Regards,
Satish
On Friday, 29 November 2013, 14:56, drjaganmohanreddy <drjaganmohanreddy@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with the views expressed by Mr Satish . There is no point in continuously cribbing that we don't have this, not good in that.
Improvements are taking place, may not be at the pace required. The need of the hour is to inculcate individual social responsibility in youngsters as they are the hope of tomorrow, while chipping in to supplement their efforts.
DrAJagan Mohan Reddy
Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From: Satish Oberoi <oberoi50@yahoo.com>
Date: 29/11/2013 12:24 (GMT+05:30)
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Cc: kdparanjpe@rediffmail.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [MTC Global] RE: India a view pointSir,
It is agreed that we are in a bad shape. But we must remember that India was an extremely rich and progressive country. It implies that we have in us everything to make us a great power. All it now needs is to look inwards and find the solution.
Regards,
Satish
On Friday, 29 November 2013, 10:14, Satish Oberoi <oberoi50@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Sirs,
We should stop blaming the British as they have gone. We have devised a system of governance and if things have gone wrong it is up to us to rectify the system.We can suggest suitable system only when we know the problems and causes for the same. For this purpose we need to examine the issues with an open mind.
The task is not easy as politicians, businessmen and bureaucrats are in league and are unfortunately working against interest of the country.
Regards,
Satish
On Friday, 29 November 2013, 9:44, Prabhakar Waghodekar <waghodekar@rediffmail.com> wrote:
The views are optimistic but in reality hard to achieve goals as we lack patriotism. We work
for our own gains and hardly safeguard the interests of nation. Open the history
pages, one can find such many people who work only for self-gains.Democracy is simply a tool
that itself cannot bring welfare of people. We have the first President from Bihar, and almost
all PMs from UP. Where do these States stand today? Biharis and UP people can do wonders (rich
in water. land and minerals)if properly directed by the stalwarts of democracy.
Think of productivity of the work force in organized sectors. Think of law enforcement in
India. Who will bell the cat? Not certainly common man alone who is starving, hungry of, for
want of excellent leaders, light house, path finders.
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 00:39:00 +0530 wrote
>Dear Sir, A truly ugly picture is painted by the western media especially the
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European Media. My question is if India is that bad, then why do business with
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India? In fact doing business with such a country is to get infected with the
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contagion of unethical practices. Such reporting, shades of the " gutter
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inspector's report" is cynical in nature. Such reporting is meant for the
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consumption of us Indians into reinforcing the familiar stereo types as belonging
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to an inferior and decadent civilization. It important to realize that Indian
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democracy has yet to find its real soul. I do not think that anywhere on the globe
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or in past history has such an experiment been conducted as in our country.
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We have to discover what a democracy can do to govern a huge landmass with a
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diversity that one will not find anywhere. In the life a civilization, we are yet
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to evolve our systems of governance that is responsive to the people and protect
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its interests.
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Old values from our troubled past are slowly turning useless. There is friction
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and even violence and it is true that our leaders are completely clueless. The
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British gave us the model of governance that is itself in disrepair ( beyond
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repair). Some may even suggest anarchy and the powerlessness of the law
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enforcement machinery.There is a silent churning and new elites are forming and
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clashing with the old.
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It is easy for our elites to turn cynical , for the thinking people it is easy to
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despair, but this will not get us anywhere. In the final analysis it boils down to
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what we as individuals can do by way of discharging our responsibility and perform
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our duties fearlessly and diligently and not caring a damn.
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Best Regards,
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K.Paranjpe
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:41:36 +0530 wrote
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> This is not a system failure. Afterall system is designed by the man.System can
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only prevent the opportunity but not the intentionof the people to do undesirable
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things. When man does not want to follow the system which he hinself has designed
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these things happen . It is really a very sad state of affairs that the judiciary
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has to remind the Govt quite often that it is the responsibility of the Govt to
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exercise good governance.Policy paralysis,
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indifference to people's problems, rampant corruption and absolute lack of
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accountability of the political system have all contributed to this pathetic
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situation. On top of all these things our country is lacking leadership and
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credibility.
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As a banker and economist I used to respect Dr.Manmohan Singh . Now I have
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completely lost all hopes . PM has position but no power ( the power is defused by
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players behind the scenes, who are conducting shadow government through remote
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control) nor is he able to exercise influence in a positive way. The country is
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currently going through a leadership crisis and lack of value systems.
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The judiciary has done its job by enforcing NOTA ( people's right to reject the
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candicates in election )and banning convicts from contesting in the elections. The
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ball is now in people's court. It is not only our fundamental right to vote but
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our duty towards the country to elect the right people. When all of us feel this
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responsibility and exercise our votes in the right manner, then we can bring a
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change in the system and accountability of the Govt to the people.We have to be
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hopeful to see the light at the end of the tunnel ,though the tunnel may be too
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long and keep working towards it by motivating the people around us.
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With
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regards,
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B.N.V.Parthasarathi.
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09885064644.
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#yiv7881851735 Self-centered narcissist and 'For Sale' politician, incompetent and
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manipulative bureaucracy, insensitive government employees, unscrupulous business,
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Monstrous police, helpless judiciary, deceptive social and religious leaders,
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caged military, paramilitary forces and investigating agencies, fleecing banking,
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taxation and financial system, privileged media and intellectual class, frustrated
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teaching community, ignorant - irresponsible – silent spectator – sufferer citizen
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and corruption, lack of transparency and no accountability as common factors –
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that is how I would like to define today's India.RegardsVirendra GoelFrom:
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join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tarun
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DasSent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:19 AMTo: Benita Sharma; MTC Global; A N
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Bhattacharya; Ajay Roychoudhury; Amitendu Palit; Anand P Gupta; Anand Pandit; Anil
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Bisen; Bhattacharya, Prof. B. B.; Bibek Debroy; D. Bandopadhyay; kanwaljit oberoi;
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N L Ahuja; Pradeep Chakrabarty; Radhabinod Barman; Raj Agrawal; Rajaram Dasgupta;
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Sapna Popli; Sujit
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Sengupta; Sukumar Nandi; Swaraj K Nath; Bijoy R; Bijoy Raychaudhury; Brahm Nath
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Puri; Hira Sadhak; Hiren Sarkar; Ajay Kumar; Amitabha Mukherjee, WB; Arindam Roy;
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Arnab Maity; Arvind Virmani ED, IMF; Roshan Sahay; Sanjay Pradhan; Shyamlendu Pal;
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Sudarshan GooptuSubject: [MTC Global] RE: India a view pointAn interesting article
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on the saddest state of socio-economic-political affairs in India today. The
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author is former Europe Director, CII and lives in Cologne, Germany.The author
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blames the government for this saddest state of affairs.But what about his own
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masters- the Corporate India?If they do not patronage, how can the government
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survive?Dr. Tarun DasWorld Bank Technical Adviser (Public Debt Management and
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Policy)Deepening MTBF and Strengthening Financial Accountability ProjectMinistry
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of Finance, Government of Bangladesh, 20th Floor, 6th Building, Bangladesh
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Secretariat, Dhaka.Website: www.spemp.com/ www.mof.gov.bd/dmtbfFrom:
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sharma.benita@gmail.comTo: sharma.benita@gmail.comSubject: FW: India a view
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pointDate: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:08:45 +0530From: ritu datta
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[mailto:ritudatta5@yahoo.com] Sent: 27 November 2013 20:50To: RITU DATTA; RITU
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DATTASubject: India a view pointjust pathetic!! can only rectify it with resolve
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&time tested indian values!!! Subject: India a view point The German press has
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savaged India's misgovernance. MOHAN MURTIThe Brussels-based European Commission
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Standing Committee on Global Foreign Direct Investments last week listed the top
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20
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destinations the EU 27 will target for the next five years. Sadly, but for well-
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known reasons, India does not figure in the list.Stocks of European Union direct
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investments to the rest of the world amounted to €5.6 trillion at the end of 2012
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and the EU continues to have a fixation with China. As for India, senior EU
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officials noted with quite a bit of scepticism: "India is probably getting there,
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but not quite arrived".An editorial in the highly circulated German
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national newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine screamed:"India has never had it so
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bad. Stealing in government has never been this brazen. Government officials are
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now so audacious in their corrupt practices that they do not give a damn about who
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is watching"."Supreme Court directives are routinely flouted. Crime rates are up
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and security of life including women's safety, which is the first responsibility
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of every government, is at its lowest ebb. India must then be more than qualified
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to be called a failed state."In the Manager magazine, one of Germany's leading
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glossy business journals, an article said: "Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
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has a natural inclination to be a follower, not a leader. "DESPAIR AND
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HOPELESSNESSThe article states, "India is a country where merit and integrity have
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no value and the country continues to sink beneath the suffocating weight of
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mediocrity and unrestrained, rampant greed. The majority of citizens feel excluded
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and disrespected at all levels of their daily lives. The youth of the country that
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make majority of the populace clearly feel helpless and many are pushed to take to
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