Re: [cameroon_politics] - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»

Ben AWAAH.
 
I personally disagree with you on this lame and disjointed claim that  SWners always hate  NWners, the point is that some of you folks on this forum and else where always react out of proportion when some misguided SWners blow their fears out of proportion and you guys always take to protecting any NWner (s) holding the same out blown views of NW/SW divide weapon of oppression and annexation.
 
No one is a fool and  based on my personal experience in this struggle I can say without any iota of fear that I have lived my share of this marginalisation like many others be it at the national or international level, and when ever I tried to raise my voice I am shouted upon or threatened to be dealt with physically.
 
This attitude will never take us any where, and you should please re read your mail again and put yourself in our position, who have been in this struggle since 1991 and tell me how you will feel if all SWners HATE NWners and all NWners actually LOVE  SWners, as you seem to make believe. I believe some of you are intentionally manipulating and delaying the struggle with this diatribe that only go a long way to vindicate what some SW bootleggers preach in their sermons .
 
However, I believe there are sincere persons  amongst us as well as dirty minded impostors on both sides of the argument, as there are always bad and good people in every situation. It beats one's imagination that some people pretend or refuse to read along the line to reason but just because a write up is signed by a name from the SW, even if the email is faked to bear the name of a Southerner, the result is an immediate barrage of insults and attacks, even from non sympathisers and fence sitters of the restoration struggle.
 
If we have to be sincere with ourselves or at least by those who joined the struggle after the failure of the SDF, most Northerners  are still bearing the hope that one day SDF will win or take power and are divided on their stewardship to the restoration struggle, unlike some die hard Southerners like myself, who have no fall back position or plan B, but to surrender to perpetual bondage if we don't succeed.
 
Case study, if  Northerners living in the Southern Zone can not vote for a Southern zone  based party, even those that overtly declared for the Southern Cameroons Cause since 1994, but prefer to vote for a Northern based  SDF, then something is definitely wrong not with Southerners but with  Northerners who still believe in the old KNDP- sectionalism, which is the source of the NW/SW divide and fears which was and is still aptly used by the CNU and the CPDM respectively.
 
You folks including some respected folks should stop sectional generalisations, because  if a certain Ebai says or wrote  anything that's is out of order, he or she should be confronted as a person and not the entire Mamfe, Manyu or Southern region. What makes you Awaah and Co to believe that as puppets, we shall forever remain dumb and deaf?
 
I personally respect the views of any one but will not accept or cordon with any one insulting the present generation of Manyu and Southern Region people. So, Mr Awaah for the sake of peace, you are given a chance to write an apology to the people of Southern Region and are very free to take up your case against individuals you have issues with! The struggle continues with respect!
George Ebai
Former SCYL Chair,
Former SCNC Southern Zonal Secretary ,
Former SCNC Vice National SG
Southern Cameroonian Patriot
 
 
2014-02-23 20:45 GMT+01:00 George Achu <gamya39@yahoo.com>:
REPOSTED, AS ORIGINAL POSTING HAS DISAPPEARED.
George Achu

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Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»

I don't believe that a majority of South Westerners hate North Westerners. Who has conducted a poll? This issue is well orchestrated "divide and rule" propaganda masterminded by the occupation and its collaborators, thru a handful of "hired guns" on cyberspace - to undermine the struggle to restore the UNALIENABLE RIGHT of the people of the Southern Cameroons to self government. Politically, there is nothing the people of the South West can get as subjects of an occupying power that they cannot get as SCian  "people" protected by international law. Given that the inhabitants of the region are an integral part of the Southern Cameroons - a subject of international law, a restoration of the SC statehood would include all its components, not leaving out those that were in favor of annexation. Thus, divisions within a state are no legal justification for a foreign state taking advantage of them and taking over part of the state.

 The unalienability principle in the international law of self-determination does not require that a people be united in order to seek redress and enforcement of their right to statehood - threatened or undermined by a foreign political entity. Hence, the "NW/SW  divide" issue is one just one of the several tactics and schemes designed by the invader and its local proxies to undermine the struggle for the restoration of the STATEHOOD of SC. I emphasize STATEHOOD here to dismiss the issue of SECESSION under Camerounian law. In spite of the fact that it is inapplicable to the people of the the SC, the occupation administration continues to improperly USE it to intimidate and persecute SC restorationists. It should not be applied to them because, pursuant to a provision of the African Union Constitutive Act and resolution thereof, SC was not part of  the Republic of Cameroun when the latter obtained independence in 1960 (See, Katanga v Congo). Hence, Southern Cameroons has the RIGHT TO SEPARATE, not SECEDE from it. Any legal challenge from opponents? Camerounian authorities, lawyers and jurists listening? Do so or for ever hold your peace?
G. Achu
Master of Laws (LLM), Int'l legal studies.
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On Feb 19, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Bens <benawaah@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Pa Zama,
Good evening. You  are witness to the debate that is raging on this forum between on the topic NW vs SW. Ni John Fru Ndi is probably reading the writing on the map. If the NW and SW were united, that would destroy the notion of a ten states federation. Pa, the recent events at UB and lingering accusations that are always levied against the North Westerners is pushing me to believe that South Westerners really hate North Westerners. We may function very well at individual and small group levels, but when it comes to the larger political level, it is mighty difficult to convince South Westerners that it will be good for them too. That is why the struggle for the restoration of the Southern Cameroons statehood has be difficult. South Westerns have calved out a comfortable position of always fearing North Westerners for  reasons that have nothing to do with the present. Mola Njoh Litumbe is an exception. Frankly, I cannot put my finger on why they think that Francophones are better for them. For the last 50+ years, I have not seen any evidence. Ni John Fru Ndi may just be confronting reality that may be coming sooner or later.
Awaah.


"Permit Yourself to Learn to Forgive to be Forgiven"
               B.U. Awaah


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Subject: RE: [cameroon_politics] - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»

 

I am definitely saddened to read that Chairman Fru Ndi thinks that a ten state federation would be ideal. After all these years of frustration, does the Chairman still believes in these people? What is in a name, especially in Cameroon? What has happened ever since Paul changed provinces to regions? Has he stopped appointing governors, Senior and Divisional officers, right down to shoe shiners? Has he not continued to frustrate the SDF councils by appointing Government delegates to head those councils? Mr. Chairman, you must know that we have pretended for too long and now is the time to speak out and call a spade a spade. 
The Chairman definitely knows that we are tired of being part of this republic. THe Chairman also knows that at least 90% of his electorate are for separation.
I am calling on  Southern Cameroonians to convene AAC 3. We can't continue to suffer when Biya is carting our resources away and using the money to build his country while ours lies in despair.
Mr. Chairman, ma leb i leb.   

Pa Zama
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Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»

 

A  Ten State Federation  should be ideal, thats self and local Govts.


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Subject: [cameroon_politics] - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»

 
It's simply preposterous for people to think that were states to be created, the South west or North west should be joined with any state in LA republique du cameroun. How come?
A federal Cameroon must either be made of ten states or two ie southern Cameroon and LA republique du cameroun.

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Mr Atanga;

Following various reactions we have received on our previous proposal of the division of cameroon into 5 federal states; we have slightly review our idea.

We are now looking into the idea to have 3 federal states in Cameroon.

Western state that will include actual west, littoral, north west and south west provinces;

The northern state which will include, adamaoua, north, and far North provinces;

The eastern state which will include, centre, sud and east provinces.

This proposal might work to consolidate the unity of our country.




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Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Fw: [Cameroon-Info.Net] - Cameroun - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»

 
Mr Youmssi,

How were the 3 provinces of the Central South living before Mr Biya decreed them to become 3 provinces? And the same question goes to the Grand North. Those divisions existed before and they are the bases of a possible restructuring destined for 2nd Republic.

Furthermore, before 1961, Southern Cameroonians were living happily together despite the fact that North West has boundaries with the West and South West with Littoral. At that time, tribalism was less taken into consideration politically as Foncha had his strong in South West & Endeley in the North West. Power democratically change hands between the above-mentioned leaders without bloodshed. And so, the people of Southern Cameroons knew themselves and still today.

I am from Santa and a neighbour to Bamboutos division. But I knew Kumba or Meme division [which is very far away] more than Mbouda. Similarly, the late Professor Anomah Ngu trekked from Bamenda to Buea. If he were alive today, and you ask him to choose between Mbouda & Buea, you can guess where he'll go.

I will be back if you want,

Celes

"You can kill me but you can never kill freedom." ~Celestin Atanga~

"My friend's friend can be my friend, but my friend's enemy should not necessarily be my enemy." ~Celestin Atanga~

"A snake which missed biting you yesterday should not pretend that it is your friend today or tomorrow." ~Celestin Atanga~
 
"The smallest deed is better than the biggest intention." ~Achu Raymond~ 
 
"God draws a straight line in a crooked way." ~Professor Victor Anomah Ngu~
 
"What is to give light must endure burning." ~Viktor Franki~
 


On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:14 PM, "youmssi@yahoo.com" <youmssi@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Mr celestin
How do you explain Such division? It is based on what? And what will you achieve with such cocktail?

Thx


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Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Fw: [Cameroon-Info.Net] - Cameroun - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»

 
Messrs Wanko & Bareja,

For true peace to reign in a future "United" Cameroon via a true federal/confederal system of governance, North West & South West will form a state and NOT West & North West or Littoral & SW. Mr Tabetsing Chretien tried that in the '90s but it lacked support & so it was discarded and forgotten.

Culture is not just about tribal affiliations, it is more than that. I have my brothers who left Mbu (Baforchu) for a belligerant mission. They didn't return; they finally settled in Bassamba subdivision of the Nde division; the are called Banyabo or in our language, "I did turn." Others are called Kombou [just after Matazem, Santa] or "I am climbing to Mbo'o or Mbu". Today, these Baforchu peoples are now Bamilekes. Everything of theirs including language, is different from ours. How then can you force them to be Baforchu again when they have acquired something else and are happily co-existing with other Bamilekes groups?

I also remember that some people have unsuccessfully tried to "re-unite" Lebialem & Menoua divisions. Thus, a lot more is in the offing than just relying on tribal affinities based on geographical locations.

Having expounded on the above, remember: the SDF's position is very clear on this; that is to say the SDF in its proposed Constitution of Cameroon is:

                                               North West & South West = State
                                               Adamawa, North, & Far North = State
                                               Littoral & West = State
                                               Centre, South & East = State

That is the way and the ONLY way for true peace & democracy to reign in Cameroon. I will like to leave a Cameroon where the young ones will have something to thank us about just like the Americans are positively remembering George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, etc.

I look forward to celebrating 53 anniversary of the coming together of the two Cameroons.

Cheerio

Celes
 
"You can kill me but you can never kill freedom." ~Celestin Atanga~

"My friend's friend can be my friend, but my friend's enemy should not necessarily be my enemy." ~Celestin Atanga~

"A snake which missed biting you yesterday should not pretend that it is your friend today or tomorrow." ~Celestin Atanga~
 
"The smallest deed is better than the biggest intention." ~Achu Raymond~ 
 
"God draws a straight line in a crooked way." ~Professor Victor Anomah Ngu~
 
"What is to give light must endure burning." ~Viktor Franki~
 


On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:27 PM, JR WANKO <jrwanko@yahoo.fr> wrote:
 
Ca fait 4 Etats et non 5... puisque nous avons 2 etats du Grand Nord



Le Mardi 18 février 2014 16h18, Dr Youmssi Bareja <youmssi@yahoo.com> a écrit :


La Position de "Ma Patrie est la suivante":
 
Oui Au Fédéralisme mais pas sur la base linguistique(francophone et anglophone); mais plutôt sur la base culturelle.
 dans cet esprit je vois le Cameroun devenir un état fédéral avec 5 états repartis comme indiqués ci dessous:
1- la fusion des provinces de l' Ouest et du  Nord Ouest ;que j' appellerai Etat du Grand Nord
2-La fusion des provinces du  Littoral et du Sud Ouest que j'appellerai Etat du Grand Littoral
3-La fusion des provinces de l'Adamaoua, Nord et extrême Nord que j'appellerai état du Grand Nord
4-La fusion des provinces du Centre et du Sud que j'appellerai état du Grand Centre
5-Est que j'appellerai état du grand Est
             

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Cameroun - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»

"A mon sens, il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral, chaque Etat doit avoir un budget pour réaliser ou assurer son développement."

Yaoundé, 17 Février 2014: Enfin le cinquantenaire de la réunification, qu'en pensez-vous?

Mon avis est que le gouvernement semble avoir été contraint de programmer cette célébration car c'est depuis trois ans qu'elle est attendue. Plusieurs anglophones se sont plaints des termes de cette réunification car ils se sentent marginalisés dans ce pays. Ils ne sont pas contents. Plusieurs actions montrent que le gouvernement de M. Biya les a déçus. A quoi sert donc une célébration si les termes de la réunification ne sont pas respectés. A mon sens, il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral, chaque Etat doit avoir un budget pour réaliser ou assurer son développement. Pour terminer, je dois dire que cette célébration n'a aucun sens, si les termes de la réunification ne sont pas révisés. Je dis donc qu'on devrait également assurer les mêmes droits aux anglophones.

Ateba Biwolé

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