Re: [cameroon_politics] - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»

On 2/24/14, Samuel Laikenjoh <vifa57@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks Chief Taku and George Ebai for putting this so succintly that it
> should shame those who want to push the agenda of La Republique du Cameroun
> through by trying to divide opinions as to our legitimate cause. At one time
> when Achidi Achu was made Prime Minister of la rep. South West Chiefs
> invited him to a Chiefs' conference in Mamfe and some of us decried it
> saying that it was wrong for natural leaders to get themselves immesrsed in
> politics for that forum will be used to distabilise our traditional
> structures and reduce the powers of our Chiefs to mere beggars. It has come
> to pass and some of our most venerated Chiefs and Fons have lost the respect
> of their subjects by aligning with party A or B. The colonial master is
> doing just what their forebears did to reduce traditional authority, divide
> and rule us and keep the dream of the Independent British Cameroons dead. We
> may tolerate the perpetrators of this doctrine but we might not forgive
> them
> easily as suggested by the learned Chief for we have some of them who have
> contributed to the physical elimination of our compatriots just to maintain
> themselves in the power of the oppressor. Woe betides any of them who
> believe that history will be forgotten so soon.
>
> Still Chief, while still being in this dispensation we believe that the
> socalled political parties from our region should not be talking a language
> that is at variance with the aspirations of the majority of their
> constituents. I am saying so because while the clonialists were celeberating
> their doom in the name of reunification some of our party leaders went
> asking for a Federation with la rep. du cameroun and not only the pseudo
> federation we had prior to 1972, they were asking for something more
> outrageous. A federation of four states thereby acquiesing to the annexation
> of our territory. It might be high time for us to call on our people to
> shame these parties by not casting any votes for them to continue to
> maintain us in perpetual slavery. If they meant business, they could equally
> withdraw from the colonial master's assembly and congregate in Buea to form
> a constituent assembly there. The International community will take our
> fight serious from
> that point but alas! They are just there to resolve their personal economic
> problems and not to represent the aspirations of their constituents. They
> have how ever commenced some collective action for which they should be
> praised but then they should go further than the grievances on the corrosion
> of our educational system and ask for more knowing fully well that the
> colonial master will not grant any but that will give us the leverage to
> withdraw from that bogus assembly and the rest of the world shall be on
> their and our side.
> Gutter politicians shall continue to talk of the SW/NW divide in order to
> continue scavanging from the dust bins of La Republique du Cameroun but let
> them know that not too long from here they might not find the time to repent
> their sins of ommission and commission.
> Amen
>
>
> Today at 11:36 PM
>
>
>
> Mr
> Ebai,
>
>
> I have also been alarmed
> by some of the generalizations that
>
>
> people have made.
> Such generations are completely out of context and must be
> discouraged.
>
>
> Manyu has produced
> some of the most talented leaders of our
> struggle.
>
>
> The list is long
> and here are a few who stand tall.
>
>
> Sampson Adeoye George,
> Chief Stephen Nyenti ( one of the most visionary advocates
> of Southern
> Cameroons independent), S.E Ncha, Hon Paul Ayah, Dr
> HNA Enonchong ( one
> time Chairman of Cameroon Anglohone Movement) Dr Bate
> Besong, Christmas Ebini
> Atem, Pastor Moses Taku, George Ebai, Moses Nkwo, Professor
> Mbuagbaw and
> several others too many to name. Let me make special mention
> of Hon.Chief E.T
> Egbe to underscore a point why we should not judge the
> commitment of people to
> the Southern Cameroons or "Anglohone" cause as
> some of them prefer to
> be called based on political orientation. Someone pointed
> out that what seems
> to be misleading people in their comments is this rather
> tired debate of SDF/
> CPDM masked as the NW/SW divide. Yet speeches that were made
> at the South West
> Mini Conference established incontrovertibly that many in
> the CPDM, SDF, LDA
> and PAP keep political party politics out of this debate
> when our common
> identity and legacy are under threat. You may also
> carefully study
> the actions associations of mass mobilization and
> participation like our
> student movements, professional associations all fields of
> life, trade unions, in
> particular when it concerns matters that unite us like
> Education,
> Judiciary, economic rights , writers and authors in the
> arts, politics,
> economics and all academic and scholastic domain, religion,
> art and culture
> ,transporters unions, farmers and cooperative societies,
> commerce and industry,
> in particular " bayam sellams, bendskiners, awara
> awaras, hawkers, etc ;
> in general matters affecting our common heritage to confirm
> that there is more
> that unites us than divides us. I made provide
> these examples when I
> single Chief E.T Egbe for comment. He was a classic case of
> a politician who
> did not forget his roots. As a student and activist in the
> University of
> Yaoundé, I led delegations to meet then Anglophone leaders
> on a number of
> issues of interest to Southern Cameroons students who were
> left out of scholarship
> lists, trailed kidnapped and jailed by state agents and
> humiliated in class by
> their supposed Francophone classmates on the basis of their
> being Southern Cameroonians.
> In such intimate matters that threatened our collective
> identity, he was very
> sensitive about. He gave good advice and encouraged us not
> give up our protest
> until our rights were fulfilled. Dr Endeley finally took up
> our case and the
> scholarship issue was resolved but we appreciated the fact
> that chief Egbe
> received and encouraged us. His politics were complex
> and in my eulogy
> when he was called home, I borrowed the comments of Chief
> Awolowo about Chief
> Samuel Ladoke Akintola his avowed opponent during the crisis
> in the Western
> House of Assembly to describe him. He was a brilliant lawyer
> who could argue a
> case from opposing directions and win. But he never ever
> publicly stated that
> our case was invalid. Not him. He played the South West card
> for purely
> political expedient reasons but quickly made sure such
> political expediency did
> not compromise his Southern Cameroons identity which was the
> foundation on
> which he laid claims for recognition and relevance in
> Republique du Cameroon
> politics. He did not rock the boat because in the case
> of game of
> numbers, presidential elections considered what was
> perceived as the national
> territory as one constituency and not regional hegemony. And
> he learnt quickly
> that the Ajoulatist French neo-colonial puppets had
> perfected the art of divide
> and rule on the Bamilikes and was playing the same script on
> the Southern
> Cameroons. He knew as many who are in this system
> playing the politics of
> survival that if one were to take away their Southern
> Cameroons called it
> Anglophone identity they would be consigned to the
> dustbin of politics.
> In a sense, what is playing out as NW/SW divide is the
> struggle to control,
> influence and deliver this constituency as one to the
> Aujoulat neo-colonial
> dynasty rather than mere components so-called SW/NW which
> comports no historic
> significance to this colonial master. Any
> politician who lacks the
> capacity to deliver this constituency has suffered the
> consequences. Reason why
> immediately a Prime Minister is appointed either from the SW
> or NW, the first
> thing he has done is to move to struggle to rally and
> deliver the
> constituency to the colonial masters. And they have done
> this time and again
> through Chiefs and Fons and a dwindling number of elite
> collaborationists in
> search of political relevance. In such moments and for the
> purpose of this
> goal, they affirm the unity of Anglophones -Southern
> Cameroonians. In such
> circumstances, they sing the glory of our historic leaders,
> Dr Endeley, Dr Foncha,
> A.N Jua, NN Mbile,Ajebe Sone,PM Kemcha, SA George etc but
> mischievously drink
> and dance to the prolonged colonial rule. This is
> where we have
> disagreed with them. And therefore implicit in this struggle
> is the struggle
> for the soul of Southern Cameroons in which we have proved
> and will prove again
> that they can never ever take the people along to satisfy
> temporal pecuniary
> crumbs from the table of the colonial power. At its highest
> they share our
> aspirations, support these aspirations on occasion and hope
> and pray we should succeed.
> That is why we disagree with their duplicity but do not hate
> them. That is why
> we have exercised restraint and caution persons never ever
> to attack them or
> incite the people against them. They are playing a game of
> survival in
> adversity. We only demand that they should play wise and
> like the crocodile
> should sleep with one eye open.
>
>
> Many in my place may
> invoke a litany of complaints by my tribe to
> deny Chief Egbe his
> qualities. No. His constituency politics alienated
> many but did not a
> justification for anyone to attempt to make his tribe our
> tribal enemies. He
> like many alive or dead was judged on their record not
> on their ethnicity.
> That would be wrong. It would be unacceptable. This cause is
> greater than
> that. These divisions if amplified could lead us to
> individual families and
> beyond. That will be sad indeed.
>
>
> Let people contributors
> to this debate therefore focus on our cause and the
> political rather than the
> legal and cultural impediments to the struggle which we
> shall and are
> overcoming.
>
>
> Chief
> C.Taku
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February
> 23, 2014 11:36 PM, Chief Charles A.Taku
> <charto_us@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mr Ebai,I have
> also been alarmed by some of the generalizations
> that people have made. Such
> generations are completely out of context and must be
> discouraged. Manyu has
> produced some of the most talented leaders of our
> struggle. The list is long and
> here are a few who stand
> tall.Sampson Adeoye George, Chief
> Stephen Nyenti ( one of the most visionary advocates of
> Southern Cameroons independent), S.E Ncha, Hon Paul
> Ayah, Dr HNA Enonchong ( one time Chairman of Cameroon
> Anglohone Movement) Dr Bate Besong, Christmas Ebini Atem,
> Pastor Moses Taku, George Ebai, Moses Nkwo, Professor
> Mbuagbaw and several others too many to name. Let me make
> special
> mention of Hon.Chief E.T Egbe to underscore a point why we
> should not judge the commitment of people to the Southern
> Cameroons or "Anglohone" causeas some
> of them prefer to be called based on political orientation.
> Some one pointed out that what seems to be misleading people
> in their comments is this rather tired debate of SDF/ CPDM
> masked as the NW/SW divide. Yet speeches that
> were made at the South West Mini Conference established
> incontrovertibly that many in the CPDM, SDF,
> NDA and PAP keep political party politics out
> of this debate when our common identity and legacy are
> under threat. You may also carefully study
> the actions associations of mass mobilization and
> participation like our student movements, professional
> associations all fields of life,
> trade unions, in particular when it
> concerns matters that unite us like
> Education, Judiciary, economic rights , writers and authors
> in the arts, politics, economics and all academic and
> scholastic domain, religion, art and culture
> ,transporters unions, farmers and cooperative
> societies, commerce and industry, in particular " bayam
> sellams, bendskiners, awara awaras, hawkers, etc
> ; in general matters affecting our common
> heritage to confirm that there is more
> that unites us than divides us. I
> made provide these examples when I single Chief E.T Egbe for
> comment. He was a classical case of a politician who did not
> forget his roots. As a student and activist in the
> University of Yaoundé, I led delegations to meet then
> Anglophone leaders on a number of issues of interest to
> Southern Cameroons students who were left out of
> scholarship lists, trailed kidnapped and jailed by state
> agents and humiliated in class by their supposed Francophone
> classmates on the basis of their
> being Southern Cameroonians.In such intimate
> matters that threatened our collective identity, he was very
> sensitive about. He gave good advice and encouraged us not
> give up our protest until our rights were fulfilled. Dr
> Endeley finally took up our case and the scholarship issue
> was resolved but we appreciated the fact that
> chief Egbe received and encouraged us. His politics
> were complex and in my eulogy when he was called home, I
> borrowed the comments of Chief Awolowo about Chief Samuel
> Ladoke Akintola his avowed opponent during the crisis in the
> Western House of Assembly to describe him. He was a
> brilliant lawyer who could argue a case from opposing
> directions and win. But he never ever publicly stated that
> our case was invalid. Not him. He played the South West card
> for purely political expedient reasons but quickly made sure
> such political expediency did not compromise his Southern
> Cameroons identity which was the
> foundation on which he laid claims for recognition and
> relevance in Republique du Cameroon politics. He did
> not rock the boat because in the case of game of numbers,
> presidential elections considered what was perceived as the
> national territory as one constituency and not regional
> hegemony. And he learnt quickly that the Ajoulatist French
> neo-colonial puppets had perfected the art of
> divide and rule on the Bamilikes and were playing the same
> script on the Southern Cameroons. He knew as many who
> are in this system playing the politics of survival that if
> one were to take away their
> Southern Cameroons called it Anglophone identity they
> would be consigned to the dustbin of politics. In a
> sense, what is playing out as NW/SW divide is the struggle
> to control, influence and deliver this constituency as one
> to the Aujoulat neo-colonial dynasty rather than mere
> components so-called SW/NW which
> comports no historic significance to this colonial
> master. Any politician who lacks the
> capacity to deliver this constituency has suffered the
> consequences. Reason why immediately a Prime Minister is
> appointed either from the SW or NW, the first thing he
> has done is to move to struggle to
> rally and deliver the
> constituency to the colonial masters. And they have done
> this time and again through Chiefs and Fons and a dwindling
> number of elite collaborations in search of political
> relevance.In such moments and for the purpose
> of this goal, they affirm the unity of Anglophones -Southern
> Cameroonians. In such circumstances, they sing the glory of
> our historic leaders, Dr Endeley, Dr Foncha, A.N Jua, NN
> Mbile,Ajebe Sone,PM Kemcha, SA George etc but mischievously
> drink and dance to the prolonged colonial rule. This
> is where we have disagreed
> with them. And therefore implicit in this struggle is the
> struggle for the soul of Southern Cameroons in which we have
> proved and will prove again that they can never ever take
> the people along to satisfy temporal pecuniary crumbs from
> the table of the colonial power. At its highest they share
> our aspirations, support these aspirations on occasion and
> hope and pray we should succeed.That is why we
> disagree with their duplicity but do not hate
> them. That is why we have exercised restraint and caution
> persons never ever to attack them or incite
> the people against them. They are playing a
> game of survival in adversity. We only demand
> that they should play wise and like the crocodile should
> sleep with one eye open.Many in my
> place may invoke a litany of
> complaints by my tribe to
> deny Chief Egbe his qualities. No.
> His
> constituency politics alienated many but did not far enough
> to make his tribe our tribal enemies. He like many alive or
> dead were judged on their record not on their
> ethnicity. That would be wrong. It would be unacceptable.
> This cause is greater than that. These
> divisions if amplified could lead us to individual families
> and beyond. That will be sad indeed.
> Let people contributors to this
> debate therefore focus on our cause and the political rather
> than the legal and cultural impediments to the struggle
> which we shall and are
> overcoming. Chief
> C.Taku
>
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014
> 7:14 PM, George Ebai <geprogetto511@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ben
> AWAAH. I personally disagree with
> you on this lame and
> disjointed claim that SWners always
> hate NWners, the point is that some of you folks on
> this forum and else where always react out of
> proportion when some misguided SWners blow their
> fears out of proportion and you guys always take to
> protecting any NWner (s) holding the same out blown views of
> NW/SW divide weapon of oppression and annexation.
> No one is a fool and based on
> my personal experience in this struggle I can say
> without any iota of fear that I have lived my share of this
> marginalisation like many others be it at the national or
> international level, and when ever I tried to raise my
> voice I am shouted upon or threatened to be dealt with
> physically.
> This attitude will never take
> us any where, and you should please re read your
> mail again and put yourself in our position, who have
> been in this struggle since 1991 and tell me how you will
> feel if all SWners HATE NWners and all NWners actually
> LOVE SWners, as you seem to make believe. I believe
> some of you are intentionally manipulating and delaying the
> struggle with this diatribe that only go a long way to
> vindicate what some SW bootleggers preach in their
> sermons .
> However, I believe there are sincere
> persons amongst us as well as dirty
> minded impostors on both sides of the argument, as
> there are always bad and good people in every situation. It
> beats one's imagination that some people pretend or
> refuse to read along the line to reason but just
> because a write up is signed by a name from the
> SW, even if the email is faked to bear the name of a
> Southerner, the result is an immediate barrage of
> insults and attacks, even from non sympathisers and fence
> sitters of the restoration struggle.
> If we have to be sincere with
> ourselves or at least by those who joined the struggle
> after the failure of the SDF, most
> Northerners are still bearing the hope that
> one day SDF will win or take power and are divided
> on their stewardship to the restoration struggle,
> unlike some die hard Southerners like myself, who have
> no fall back position or plan B, but to surrender to
> perpetual bondage if we don't succeed.
> Case study, if Northerners
> living in the Southern Zone can not vote
> for a Southern zone based party, even those
> that overtly declared for the Southern Cameroons Cause since
> 1994, but prefer to vote for a Northern based
> SDF, then something is definitely wrong not with
> Southerners but with Northerners who still
> believe in the old KNDP- sectionalism, which is the
> source of the NW/SW divide and fears which was and is still
> aptly used by the CNU and the CPDM respectively.
>
> You folks including some respected
> folks should stop sectional generalisations, because
> if a certain Ebai says or
> wrote anything that's is out of
> order, he or she should be confronted as a person
> and not the entire Mamfe, Manyu or Southern region. What
> makes you Awaah and Co to believe that as puppets, we shall
> forever remain dumb and deaf?
> I personally respect the views of any
> one but will not accept or cordon with any one insulting the
> present generation of Manyu and Southern Region
> people. So, Mr Awaah for the sake of peace, you are
> given a chance to write an apology to the people of
> Southern Region and are very free to take up your case
> against individuals you have issues with! The struggle
> continues with respect!
> George
> EbaiFormer SCYL Chair,Former
> SCNC Southern Zonal Secretary , Former
> SCNC Vice National SG
> Southern Cameroonian
> Patriot
> 2014-02-23
> 20:45 GMT+01:00 George Achu <gamya39@yahoo.com>:
>
> REPOSTED, AS ORIGINAL POSTING HAS
> DISAPPEARED.George Achu
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> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
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> From:
> George Achu <gamya39@yahoo.com>
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> Date: February 21, 2014 at 11:21:03 AM EST
> To: "cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com"
> <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
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> Cc: Cameroon Politics <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] - Ni
> John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut
> favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»
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> I don't believe that a majority of
> South Westerners hate North Westerners. Who has conducted a
> poll? This issue is well orchestrated "divide and
> rule" propaganda masterminded by the occupation and its
> collaborators, thru a handful of "hired guns" on
> cyberspace - to undermine the struggle to restore the
> UNALIENABLE RIGHT of the people of the Southern Cameroons to
> self government. Politically, there is nothing the people of
> the South West can get as subjects of an occupying power
> that they cannot get as SCian "people"
> protected by international law. Given that the inhabitants
> of the region are an integral part of the Southern Cameroons
> - a subject of international law, a restoration of the SC
> statehood would include all its components, not leaving out
> those that were in favor of annexation. Thus, divisions
> within a state are no legal justification for a foreign
> state taking
> advantage of them and taking over part of the state.
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> The unalienability
> principle in the international law of self-determination
> does not require that a people be united in order to seek
> redress and enforcement of their right to statehood -
> threatened or undermined by a foreign political entity.
> Hence, the "NW/SW divide" issue is one just
> one of the several tactics and schemes designed by the
> invader and its local proxies to undermine the struggle for
> the restoration of the STATEHOOD of SC. I emphasize
> STATEHOOD here to dismiss the issue of SECESSION under
> Camerounian law. In spite of the fact that it is
> inapplicable to the people of the the SC, the occupation
> administration continues to improperly USE it to intimidate
> and persecute SC restorationists. It should not be applied
> to them because, pursuant to a provision of the African
> Union Constitutive Act and resolution thereof, SC was not
> part of the Republic of Cameroun when the latter
> obtained
> independence in 1960 (See, Katanga v Congo). Hence,
> Southern Cameroons has the RIGHT TO SEPARATE, not SECEDE
> from it. Any legal challenge from opponents? Camerounian
> authorities, lawyers and jurists listening? Do so or for
> ever hold your peace?
> G. AchuMaster of Laws (LLM), Int'l legal
> studies.
> Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Bens <benawaah@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Pa Zama,Good evening. You
> are witness to the debate that is raging on this forum
> between on the topic NW vs SW. Ni John Fru Ndi is probably
> reading the writing on the map. If the NW and SW were
> united, that would destroy the notion of a ten states
> federation. Pa, the recent events at UB and lingering
> accusations that are always levied against the North
> Westerners is pushing me to believe that South Westerners
> really hate North Westerners. We may function very well at
> individual and small group levels, but when it comes to the
> larger political level, it is mighty difficult to convince
> South Westerners that it will be good for them too. That is
> why the struggle for the restoration of the Southern
> Cameroons statehood has be difficult. South Westerns have
> calved out a comfortable position of always fearing North
> Westerners for reasons that have nothing to do with
> the present. Mola Njoh Litumbe is an exception. Frankly, I
> cannot put my finger on why they think that Francophones
> are better for them. For the last 50+ years, I have not seen
> any evidence. Ni John Fru Ndi may just be confronting
> reality that may be coming sooner or later.
> Awaah.
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> "Permit Yourself to
> Learn to Forgive to be
> Forgiven"
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> B.U.
> Awaah
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> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:57:31 +0000
> Subject: RE: [cameroon_politics] - Ni John Fru
> Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut
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> that a ten state federation would be ideal. After all these
> years of frustration, does the Chairman still believes in
> these people? What is in a name, especially in Cameroon?
> What has happened ever since Paul changed provinces to
> regions? Has he stopped appointing governors, Senior and
> Divisional officers, right down to shoe shiners? Has he not
> continued to frustrate the SDF councils by appointing
> Government delegates to head those councils? Mr. Chairman,
> you must know that we have pretended for too long and now is
> the time to speak out and call a spade a
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> The Chairman definitely knows that we are
> tired of being part of this republic. THe Chairman also
> knows that at least 90% of his electorate are for
> separation.I am calling on
> Southern Cameroonians to convene AAC 3. We can't
> continue to suffer when Biya is carting our resources away
> and using the money to build his country while ours lies in
> despair.
> Mr. Chairman, ma leb i leb.
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> Zama
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> [cameroon_politics] - Ni John Fru Ndi, Chairman du Social
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> west or North west should be joined with any state in LA
> republique du cameroun. How come?
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> A federal Cameroon must either be made of ten
> states or two ie southern Cameroon and LA republique du
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> proposal"Ma Patrie"/Fw: [Cameroon-Info.Net] - Cameroun - Ni John Fru
> Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut
> favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»
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> Mr Atanga;
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> various reactions we have received on our previous proposal
> of the division of cameroon into 5 federal states; we have
> slightly review our idea.
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> We are now looking into the idea to have 3 federal states in
> Cameroon.
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> Western state
> that will include actual west, littoral, north west and
> south west provinces;
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> The northern state which will include, adamaoua, north, and
> far North provinces;
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> eastern state which will include, centre, sud and east
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> might work to consolidate the unity of our country.
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> Sent from my BlackBerry®
> smartphoneFrom:
> Celestin Atanga <celesngu@yahoo.com>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:52:17 -0800
> (PST)To:
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> Cc: Mbudca Worldwide<mbudcaworldwide@yahoogroups.com>Subject:
> Re: [cameroon_politics] Fw: [Cameroon-Info.Net] - Cameroun - Ni John Fru
> Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut
> favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»
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> Mr Youmssi,
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> How were the 3 provinces of
> the Central South living before Mr Biya decreed them to
> become 3 provinces? And the same question goes to the Grand
> North. Those divisions existed before and they are the bases
> of a possible restructuring destined for 2nd Republic.
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> Furthermore, before 1961, Southern
> Cameroonians were living happily together despite the fact
> that North West has boundaries with the West and South West
> with Littoral. At that time, tribalism was less taken into
> consideration politically as Foncha had his strong in South
> West & Endeley in the North West. Power democratically
> change hands between the above-mentioned leaders without
> bloodshed. And so, the people of Southern Cameroons knew
> themselves and still
> today.
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> I am from Santa and
> a neighbour to
> Bamboutos division. But I knew Kumba or Meme division
> [which is very far away] more than Mbouda. Similarly, the
> late Professor Anomah Ngu trekked from Bamenda to Buea. If
> he were alive today, and you ask him to choose between
> Mbouda & Buea, you can guess where he'll go.
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> I will be back if you want,
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> Celes
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> "You can kill me but you
> can never kill freedom." ~Celestin
> Atanga~
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> "My friend's friend can be my
> friend, but my friend's enemy should not necessarily be
> my enemy." ~Celestin
> Atanga~
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> "A snake which
> missed biting you yesterday
> should not pretend that it is your friend today or
> tomorrow." ~Celestin
> Atanga~
> "The
> smallest deed is better than the biggest
> intention." ~Achu Raymond~
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> "God
> draws
> a straight line in a crooked
> way." ~Professor Victor Anomah
> Ngu~
> "What is to give light
> must endure burning." ~Viktor Franki~
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> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014
> 5:14 PM, "youmssi@yahoo.com" <youmssi@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Mr celestin
> How do you explain Such
> division? It is based on what? And what will you achieve
> with such cocktail?
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> Thx
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> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphoneFrom:
> Celestin Atanga <celesngu@yahoo.com>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:48:30 -0800
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> Cc: Mbudca Worldwide<mbudcaworldwide@yahoogroups.com>Subject:
> Re: [cameroon_politics] Fw: [Cameroon-Info.Net] - Cameroun - Ni John Fru
> Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut
> favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»
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> Messrs Wanko & Bareja,
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> For true peace to reign in a future "United"
> Cameroon via a true federal/confederal system of governance,
> North West & South West will form a state and NOT West & North West
> or Littoral & SW. Mr Tabetsing Chretien tried that in
> the '90s but it lacked support & so it was discarded
> and forgotten.
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> Culture is not just about tribal
> affiliations, it is more than that. I have my brothers who
> left Mbu (Baforchu) for a belligerant mission. They
> didn't return; they finally settled in Bassamba
> subdivision of the Nde division; the are called Banyabo or
> in our language, "I did
> turn." Others are called
> Kombou [just after Matazem,
> Santa] or "I
> am climbing to Mbo'o or Mbu". Today, these
> Baforchu peoples are now Bamilekes. Everything of theirs
> including language, is different from ours. How then can you
> force them to be Baforchu again when they have acquired
> something else and are happily co-existing with other
> Bamilekes groups?
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> I also remember that some people have
> unsuccessfully tried to "re-unite" Lebialem &
> Menoua divisions. Thus, a lot more is in the offing than
> just relying on tribal affinities based on geographical
> locations.
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> Having expounded on the above, remember:
> the SDF's position is very clear on this; that is to say
> the SDF in its proposed Constitution of Cameroon is:
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> North
> West & South West = State
> Adamawa, North, &
> Far North = State
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> Littoral & West =
> State
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> Centre, South &
> East = State
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> That is the way and the ONLY way for true peace
> & democracy to reign in Cameroon. I will like to leave a
> Cameroon where the young ones will have something to thank
> us about just like the Americans are positively remembering
> George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, etc.
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> I look forward to celebrating 53
> anniversary of the coming together of the two
> Cameroons.
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> Cheerio
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> Celes
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> "You can kill me but you
> can never kill freedom." ~Celestin
> Atanga~
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> "My friend's friend can be my
> friend, but my friend's enemy should not necessarily be
> my enemy." ~Celestin
> Atanga~
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> "A snake which
> missed biting you yesterday should not pretend that it is
> your friend
> today or
> tomorrow." ~Celestin
> Atanga~
> "The
> smallest deed is better than the biggest
> intention." ~Achu Raymond~
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> "God
> draws a straight line in a crooked
> way." ~Professor Victor Anomah
> Ngu~ "What is to give light
> must endure burning." ~Viktor Franki~
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> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014
> 3:27 PM, JR WANKO <jrwanko@yahoo.fr> wrote:
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> 2014 16h18, Dr Youmssi Bareja <youmssi@yahoo.com> a écrit :
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> La Position de "Ma Patrie est la
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> Oui Au Fédéralisme mais pas sur la
> base linguistique(francophone et anglophone); mais plutôt
> sur la base culturelle. dans cet esprit je
> vois le Cameroun devenir un état fédéral avec 5 états
> repartis comme indiqués ci dessous:
> 1- la fusion des provinces de l' Ouest et du
> Nord Ouest ;que j' appellerai Etat du Grand Nord
> 2-La fusion des provinces du Littoral et
> du Sud Ouest que j'appellerai Etat du Grand Littoral
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> 3-La fusion des provinces de l'Adamaoua, Nord et
> extrême Nord que j'appellerai état du Grand Nord
> 4-La fusion des provinces du Centre et du Sud
> que j'appellerai état du Grand Centre
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> 5-Est que
> j'appellerai état du grand
> Est
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> ==> http://www.Cameroon-Info.NET/cmi_show_news.php?id=58574
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> Cameroun - Ni John Fru
> Ndi, Chairman du Social Democratic Front: «Il faut
> favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral»
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> "A mon sens, il faut
> favoriser l'avènement d'un Etat fédéral, chaque
> Etat doit avoir un budget pour réaliser ou assurer son
> développement."
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> Yaoundé, 17 Février 2014: Enfin le
> cinquantenaire de la réunification, qu'en
> pensez-vous?
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> Mon avis est
> que le gouvernement semble avoir été contraint de
> programmer cette célébration car c'est depuis trois
> ans qu'elle est attendue.
> Plusieurs anglophones se sont plaints des termes de cette
> réunification car ils se sentent marginalisés dans ce
> pays. Ils ne sont pas contents. Plusieurs actions montrent
> que le
> gouvernement de M. Biya les a déçus. A quoi sert donc une
> célébration si les termes de la réunification ne sont pas
> respectés. A mon sens, il faut favoriser l'avènement
> d'un Etat fédéral, chaque Etat doit avoir un budget
> pour réaliser ou assurer son développement. Pour terminer,
> je dois dire que cette célébration n'a aucun sens, si
> les termes de la réunification ne sont pas révisés. Je
> dis donc qu'on devrait également assurer les mêmes
> droits aux anglophones.
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> Ateba Biwolé
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