RE: [cameroon_politics] Re: Urgent: The Argument of FORCE

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> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:35:36 +0100
> Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: Urgent: The Argument of FORCE
> From: nyangkweagien@gmail.com
> To: ambasbay@googlegroups.com
>
> Dr Egbe
>
> In the CRTV interview with Didier Oti in 1991 that I am talking
> about, Dr Munzu explained calmly to the francophone journalist that
> only Southern Cameroonians voted during the plebiscite and that for
> any union to be valid there neede to be an agreement signed gy the
> Southern Cameroons and the La Republique leadership. Munzu said that
> despite both leaders having met in Foumban; no such document ever
> existed. I remember Munzu saying that the only thing that existed was
> article 47 of the federal costitution that stipulated that the
> federation could not be violated. But Ahidjo went against it. I was
> in Le Messager English by then and we hailed Munzu
> To turn around 23 years after and make such horrendous is regretable
>
> Aaron
>
> On 2/24/14, louis egbe <louis_egbe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > All Dr. Munzu has to do to invalidate Mola's argument of no leagality is to
> > produce the agreement between Southern Cameroons and LRC. The plebiscite was
> > conducted only in Southern Cameroons and therefore CANNOT act as an
> > agreement between the two states. Without any legal agreement, Dr. Munzu is
> > incorrect while Mola Njoh Litumbe is right.
> > Mbua
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, 24 February 2014, 15:38, Dennis Tambe <dbtmamfe@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is the usual bull shit of the SCNC when caught naked - blackmail those
> > who do not agree with them and impugn their motives. What does Dr. Munzu
> > need from Paul Biya after 17 years as an Executive Officer with the United
> > Nations? The man has a good pension to live off his twilight years and
> > fools want to impugn his intellectual honesty and independence!
> >
> > You secessionists have the bare truth in front of your eyes debunking your
> > much-vaunted Anglophone unity. My grandfather Mfor Tambe-Ayuk Mbechang of
> > Besongabang was a steadfast nationalist who supported J.N. Foncha's campaign
> > for reunification. Thanks to Mfor Tambe Ayuk-Mbechang, then Clan Head of
> > Ayuk Etayak, Mamfe voted with the North West peoples to join Cameroon. That
> > was a solemn decision by a majority of Southern Cameroons. We shall thrash
> > you phantom secessionists if another plebiscite was held today. I stand
> > behind the sagacity of my grandfather and J.N. Foncha.
> >
> > You and your SCNC ilk will not cow ardent nationalist Cameroonians into
> > submission. Please stop your errant blackmail on Dr Munzu who is man enough
> > to give a detached and disinterested opinion on the legality of the 1961
> > reunification process.
> >
> > It is unscrupulous characters like Paul Ayah who should be hiding their
> > faces in shame. Drowning political men clutching at errant causes.
> > Yesterday it was CDPM and PAP. Today it is secessionist SCNC clap trap.
> > What a shame for a lawyer who should be more principled.
> >
> > Mukefor
> >
> >
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> > From: ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:15:14 +0100
> > Subject: [cameroon_politics] Re: Urgent: The Argument of FORCE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It is most unfortunate that as Mr Biya, plans a new government, Simon Munzu
> > of all people who want to sell his birthright for some red porridge instead
> > of learning how to hunt. No wonder he says he is 'ministrable.' I do
> > remember that in one full day, I caused (arm-twisted and blackmailed) my
> > former colleagues at CRTV to give Simon Munzu priceless airtime in Cameroon
> > Calling, Dimanche Midi and Actualité Hebdo so that he could present the
> > plight of the suffering masses of the Southern-West Cameroons. You mean
> > Munzu would sell all of that for a pathetic ministerial post in a dying
> > regime? He should listen to Mama Foncha's story. I just listened to Mrs
> > Foncha this morning wailing that she has not been paid a dime of her
> > husband's pension since Foncha died. That they brought her invitation to go
> > to Buea for the so-called Re-unification on the 20th, days after the event
> > had actually started. Etc. Of course Ma Foncha told the SDO who brought the
> > invitation
> > off. When Foncha died, this regime bought him a coffin that was too short.
> > And that coffin came days after the family had gotten tired of waiting and
> > bought their own coffin. So there were two coffins at Foncha's memorial: an
> > abomination in itself. Munzu should also remember that when Endeley died,
> > the Biya regime did not put out a condolence message. In fact, I was the
> > only one to put out a condolence message on the CRTV programme - The
> > Presidency - which I anchored at the time. The Endeley family erroneously
> > took it that Mr. Biya had sent them a condolence message. is this what Munzu
> > wants to sell all his input into the Southern Cameroons case for? How sad.
> > Pathetic.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:06 PM, PAP Communications Team
> > <presidentayah@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > OPEN DOOR TO VIOLENCE
> >>BY AYAH Paul ABINE
> >>
> >>Cameroon Radio Television - CRTV - in its programme "Cameroon Calling"
> > of February 23, 2014, interviewed a number of persons about the
> > high-sounding nothing christened "50th Anniversary of Reunification".
> > Among them was Dr Simon Munzu. Munzu, inter alia, dismissed as
> > unworkable Mola Njoh Litumbe's contention that there is no legal
> > "reunification" between la Republique du Cameroun and Southern Cameroons;
> > and that
> > there is need for dialogue, leading to the signing of an instrument of
> > joining. The ground of Dr Munzu's stance is that the United Nations did
> > endorse the plebiscite and that it cannot come back on what it has done. He
> > was categorical that the United Nations will not even entertain the
> > issue.
> >>
> >>With much respect, one would opine that Munzu made a
> > political pronouncement akin to a layman's assertion rather than a
> > statement of law. Even as law is essentially argumentative, it would be
> > unfair not to suppose that Munzu, for incomprehensible reasons,
> > overlooked basic notions of the law. With his leave, we propose to draw
> > the learned man of law's attention to some basic facts and law.
> >>
> >>We all know that relevancy is the cardinal canon in every legal
> > disputation. And so do we talk about the fact in issue; facts relevant
> > to the fact in issue; and facts relevant to facts relevant to the fact
> > in issue. In sum, it is elementary law that relevancy does not stretch
> > with infinite elasticity. Munzu may therefore wish to agree with us that
> > the conduct of the plebiscite has never been an issue relevant to the
> > fact in issue that the joining of la Republique to Cameroun by Southern
> > Cameroun is not evidenced in writing. Panels of eminent scholars have so
> > found over the years, thereby endorsing our stance, among us Mola Njoh
> > Litumbe, that there is no legal instrument (document) showing that the
> > two countries have ever been one. The President of la Republique du
> > Cameroun does not hold to the contrary.
> >>
> >>Intellectual honesty
> > demands then that Munzu who holds himself out as being more
> > knowledgeable than all of us, including the members of the various
> > panels, (perhaps more president than the President of la Republique du
> > Cameroun), and who consequently holds a contrary view, should name the
> > relevant document, or even just refer us to it. That, in all honesty, is
> > the legal means of proof or disproof. No-one needs to be a fellow in
> > law to din this into Dr Munzu's head.
> >>
> >>If the learned doctor's
> > trump card is the worthless document called "Cameroon Federal
> > Constitution", Munzu knows, or at least is presumed to know, that the
> > said document was enacted by the National Assembly of la Republique du
> > Cameroun in April, 1961 - some six months prior to the purported
> > reunification on October 1, 1961. Neither in the context of time nor
> > space did the National Assembly of la Republique du Cameroun have
> > jurisdiction over Southern Cameroons. It is elementary law that, as long
> > as that foreign instrument, namely, "Cameroon Federal Constitution",
> > was not ratified by the Southern Cameroons House of Assembly, (and
> > perhaps the House of chiefs), prior to the date of the so-called
> > reunification, the said document does not have any binding effect on
> > Southern Cameroons.
> >>
> >>Even if any legal instrument there ever was
> > that evidenced the joining, that did not dispense with the legal duty
> > imposed by Article 102 of the United Nations Charter on the member state
> > that la Republique to Cameroun had been since September 1960 to deposit
> > the instrument with the United Nations as evidence of variation in the
> > international boundaries of that member state as of its date of
> > independence. It may not be insulting to say that there is nothing
> > inscrutable about that contention; at least not for a person of Munzu's
> > erudition.
> >>
> >>Granted by the widest and wildest stretch of
> > imagination that there was joining as per the process laid down by the
> > United Nations, on what ground does Munzu base his categorical assertion
> > that the United Nations can never undo what it has done? Munzu knows,
> > or ought to know, that Kosovo was part of Yugoslavia that was a member
> > state of the United Nations. Similarly were East Timor, Eritrea, and
> > South Sudan yesterday parts of member states of the United Nations. Yet
> > did the same United Nations carve out those new states. If Southern
> > Cameroons is a case sui generis, intellectual honesty here again burdens
> > Munzu with proof of the fact that Southern Cameroons is a special case.
> > Millions of Southern Cameroonians expect Munzu to unburden himself so
> > as to dissipate rightful suspicion. That seems important and imperative
> > because not too many ordinary Southern Cameroonians may understand what
> > appears to be a subtle message from him.
> >>
> >>Indeed, Southern
> > Cameroonians of a reasonable station in life do find Munzu's subtlety
> > bare of ambiguity. They know that for his learning and relations with
> > the United Nations, Munzu is possessed of all the facts. He surely is
> > not wrong in his assertions relative to the conduct of international
> > business by that world body. It is common knowledge that only violence
> > compelled the United Nations to create the new nations out of its member
> > states. Munzu therefore advises that our slogan of "the force of
> > argument..." can never set the United Nations in motion. To explain in
> > superfluity, Munzu is categorical that the only language the United
> > Nations understands is violence. And that, after all, is enshrined in
> > the charter of the world body!
> >>
> >>--
> >>Communications & Public Relations,
> >>People's Action Party, PAP
> >>National Working Secretariat,
> >>Buea, South West Region,
> >>Cameroon.
> >>
> >>Motto: Work - Peace - Justice
> >>
> >>Tel: (00237) 78 35 80 29 / 94 99 87 43
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>--------------
> >>"I profoundly believe all Cameroonians will some day speak the same
> >>language, sing the same songs, dance to the same rhythm, dine and wine at
> >>the same table. When the rich shall cater for the poor and the strong shall
> >>
> >>help the weak, the law shall be supreme, justice and peace shall forever
> >>reign, if we are honest and believe we can get there. God bless
> >>Cameroon."Hon. AYAH Paul ABINE, Cameroon 2011 Presidential Candidate and
> >> PAP National Secretary General.
> >>------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >
> > I soar with wings like an Eagle:Eagle.
> > "Eagles don't flock--you have to find them one at a time." H. Ross Perot
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