Re: [camnetwork] Unprofitable music is not worth protecting as intellectual property.

Mukefor,

 

I saw something interesting and thought it might be proper to ask rather than draw an erroneous conclusion.  You seem periodically change the name below your posting.  Is "Mukefor Besongabang" your new name or a recent title conferred on you?  With our expectation hat you might someday become the Governor of the South West Region, some degree of constancy, at least with respect to how we should address you, is required.  You don't have to reply if you conasider my inquiry irrelevant and inconsequential.

 

"The problem of power is how to get men of power to live for the public rather than off the public." Robert F. Kennedy

On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:52 AM, Dennis Tambe <dbtmamfe@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Dear Micro,

Thanks for your generally edifying post. 

I do not understand what you mean by "Cameroon is 0" when the material posted by Martin Tumasang refers to  Art. 37, Loi no 2000/011 du 19 décembre 2000.  OAPI with headquarters in Yaounde is also the  pan African intellectual property (I P) protection organization that should protect the musical rights of informed and astute musicians. 

How many Cameroonian and African musicians will want to engage OAPI's  intellectual property protection costs for their music which may not generate  enough returns?  "Sweet Mother" was a big pan African hit worth protecting.  The same Nico Mbarga had been a musician in Confidence Hotel, Mamfe in the late 1960s and composed music that he would never have considered engaging costs to protect.  You only protect what is valuable or profitable because of the attendant costs of protection (registration, surveillance against pirates, protection law suits etc).  Musicians eking a marginal existence are therefore forced to hold their peace while brazen pirates take their cut.  

As my aspiring nemesis Martin Tumasang has stated, music has never been a highly regarded profession with great pecuniary returns in our African context.  The musicians themselves have come to this realization and have never thought highly of their music as intellectual property worth protecting.

Microwave, we must cut out this blame game on Francophones.  No music producer worth his salt will take on  musicians that will not sell. Anglophone "belle dance" music does not sell. Bakweri, Banyangi, Bameta, Ndu, Bakossi, Mankon, Bamileke ethnic  music has limited audiences. Play an old time Makossa tune and see the whole get on the floor, including your very own Prince Mukefor. 

Tribes people must take on their ethnic music with the attendant financial losses.  Martin Tumasang should take on Bameta music and I will take on Banyangi music.  Let us put our money where are ethnic jingoism is and stop expecting saavy profit- motivated Francophone producers to altruistically produce music intended for limited audiences.  Ethnic jingoists must put their money where their big mouths are. Ya'll must remember that money talks and bull shit walks. 

Mukefor Besongabang.

To: cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com
From: tchucham@yahoo.fr
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:43:10 +0000
Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] RE: Dr. Tumasang // Re: Ignorant Etongwe the Carpenter, Learn Copyright Law [1 Attachment]

Dear Micro,

thanks for the enlightenments contained in your wrtie up! What you say about Mafany and about the way the "Anglos" are treated in our country makes me feel so bad and ashamed of being Cameroonian. 

That is the kind of treatment that fuels the separation plea and nourrishes the feeling of second class citizen that many feel. The ongoing debates on the "Anglophone cause" are just underlining the utmost consequences of this situation. They are also telling volumes about the shape and orientation that our generation have to give to the NEW CAMEROON we all are longing for.

The day will come when all these bitterness and injustices will belong to a past time that our children and granchildren will talk about whilst remembering us with compassion because of our hardships. But they will also be proud of us because we did not feel comfortable with so much injustice and we spoke out our minds.

That day, I do hope, should be closer to us than we can even dare to imagine!

Have a nice day, 

 

Bonaventure Tchucham

Les deux clefs principales de la Science:

"Il n'y a qu'une seule Loi, et Celui qui travaille est Un.

Rien n'est petit, rien n'est grand dans l'économie divine."

"Les hommes sont des dieux mortels
Et les dieux sont des hommes immortels."

De : Martin Tumasang <tumasangm@hotmail.com>
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Objet : [cameroon_politics] RE: Dr. Tumasang // Re: Ignorant Etongwe the Carpenter, Learn Copyright Law

 

Great Nguni,
thanks for the clarification. I did not get it the first time when I read your mail. Yes you said some acknowledgements still had to be made on the mechanical sheets etc. I missed that. Thanks again.
 
Regards
 
Tumasang
 

To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
From: ngunimicrowave@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 07:14:46 -0500
Subject: [camnetwork] Dr. Tumasang // Re: Ignorant Etongwe the Carpenter, Learn Copyright Law

Dr.

As you said, you are not sure. The limitations you present here are closeouts, which means you can whatever you like without mentioning the name of the original composer for royalties and other rights. 30, 50, 70, 120 years is the limit depending on which country we are dealing with. Cameroon is 0 year.

 

However, what we are talking here is about the time and obligations another artist and record label have when re-recording an already released song. It is not same as above. Above spells out the time copyright is completely lost with no mention of the name of the original composer.

 

But any newly released version before that time must have the name of the original composer in the mechanical rights sheet at the point of duplication for onward royalties. If the world had to wait for 70 to 120 years, you won't be getting various versions of the same songs all over the world, isn't?

 

If another artist were to record Sweet Mother in 2047, he would be under no obligation to mention Prince Nico Mbarga at all. He could also claim to be the author and composer. But before 70 years, the name of the original artist of any newly released version of Sweet Mother must be mentioned in order to avoid copyright infringement and also for the purpose of mechanical rights.

 

And understand that these limitations do not only cover the artists but the record label as well. This means that if you Dr Tumasang, were to invest your money in producing the album of Etongwe the carpenter/artist,  Etongwe has no right to go and release the same song in another record label without your WRITTEN permission.  If he does, he will be infringing on your copyrights.

 

There is also statute of limitation to file a claim for copyright infringement. In some countries, it is 5 years. In the USA, it is 7 in most states from the day the copyrighted version was made public. There is a lot of ignorance going on here.

 

Pa, as an attorney, help me to educate our people. I do not know why you did not come in earlier and had to wait until I did it myself. However, may be you did not see the need at the time or did not follow what ignorance was brewing here.

 

NB: You see how Anglophones like myself take their time to study their trade. If I were in Cameroon, no one would be qualified than myself to be the boss of SOCAM. But that would be far fetched because I am Anglo. Look at all the artists from Cameroon who make headlines, not one is Anglo.

 

Record label owners in Douala often turn down demos from potential Anglo stars because they do not understand English and have no vision even as Nigerian artists have invaded and conquered the entire Cameroon market.

 

It is no accident that not one Cameroon Anglo artist is prominent apart from myself, the reason being because I did not become a profession in Cameroon and my guitar speaks for itself if not, I would have been pushed to the sea of oblivion a long time ago. However, there young upcoming hip hop Anglo artists doing great things as we speak. Facebook and Youtube is now their only route.

 

Look at how they treated a top vocalist like Mafany who rocked West Cameroon in the days of Summer Festival in Buea. No producer in Y'de or D'la wanted to have anything to do with this Anglo and so the guy ended up in the national orchestra in Yaounde until passed on. God help us.

 

M

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/28/2014 6:23:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tumasangm@hotmail.com writes:

 

Hi Great Nguni,
I am amazed by your general knowledge. You are informed in various areas which is great. Many on this forum cannot match your intelligence and exposure.
 
What caught my eye was the 10 years period you mentioned in your mail. Without checking, it appeared rather short to me. I was thinking of say 20 to 70 years depending on the country. I am not sure and need to check it properly. Below is what Wikipedia says on the copyright lengths. Perhaps we check the 10 years rule again.
 
Regards
 
Tumasang
 
 

List of countries' copyright lengths

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Worldwide map of copyright term length

This is a list of countries and their copyright terms, the lengths of their standard copyrights, in years. When a work's copyright term ends, the work passes into the public domain.
The list also includes entries for non-country entities: the European Union, Berne_Convention#Copyright_term, and the Universal Copyright Convention, which set minimum terms for their member states or signatories. The Agreement on Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS), though not included, requires a copyright length of at least 50 years after death.

Contents

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• 1 Legend
• 2 Table
• 3 Table notes
• 4 See also
• 5 Notes
• 6 External links

Legend[edit]

• 0, no copyright = Not copyrighted
• Life + xx years = Copyrighted for authors' lifetime plus xx years after their deaths
• xx years after publication, creation, etc. = copyrighted for xx years since publication, creation, etc., of works
• Until year end = Copyrighted until the end of a calendar year, i.e. December 31
• Berne = Country has signed the Berne Convention, see Berne in the "Countries, ..." column
• TRIPS = The Agreement on Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) is an international agreement administered by the World Trade Organization (WTO) that sets down minimum standards for many forms of intellectual property (IP) regulation as applied to nationals of other WTO Members.
• WCT = The World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty, (WIPO Copyright Treaty or WCT), is an international treaty on copyright law adopted by the member states of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) in 1996.

Table[edit]

Countries, areas, and entities	Copyright terms based on authors' deaths	Copyright terms based on publication and creation dates	Until year end?
Afghanistan	Life + 50 years[1]	50 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work)[1] 50 years from publication (Published after authors' deaths)[1] 50 years from publication (audiovisual works)[1] 50 years from publication (photographic,painting works)[1] 50 years from creation (phonogram)[1]	Yes (Afghan calendar)[1]
Albania	Life + 70 years[2]	70 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work)[3] 70 years from publication; 70 years from creation if unpublished (photographic or audiovisual work of joint authorship)[4] 25 years from production (works of applied art)[5]	Yes[6]
Algeria	Life + 50 years (except posthumous work)[7]	50 years from publication; 50 years from creation if unpublished (collective work, anonymous or pseudonymous work, audiovisual work, posthumous work)[8] 50 years from creation (photographs or the work of applied art)[9]	Yes[10]
Andorra	Life + 70 years[11][12]	70 years from publication; 70 years from creation if unpublished (collective work with unknown authorship)[13] 70 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work)[14]	Yes[15]
Angola	Life + 50 years[16] Life + 25 years (photographic works or applied arts)[16]		Yes[16]
Anguilla	Life + 50 years[17]	50 years from the death of the author, of the last surviving author for works with more than one author.[17]
Antigua and Barbuda	Life + 50 years[18][19]	50 years from publication; 50 years from creation if unpublished (anonymous or pseudonymous work, computer generated work, sound recording or film)[20] 50 years from creation (broadcast); 50 years after programme included in a cable programme service[21] 25 years from publication (typographical arrangement of a published edition)[22]	Yes[23]
Argentina	Life + 70 years[24]	50 years from publication (anonymous intellectual works belonging to institutions, corporations or legal persons)[25] Photographies: 20 years from first publication.[26] Cinematographic works: 50 years after death of the last survivor among the producer, the director, the screenplay writer or the composer (for musical comedies).[27]	Yes[28]
Armenia	Life + 70 years [29]	70 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous works)[30]	Yes[30]
Aruba	Life + 50 years[31](wikisource)
Australia (including external territories)	Life + 70 years[32] [Life + 50 years (death before 1955)][33]	70 years from publication (sound recordings, cinematograph films)[34] 50 years after making (television broadcasts and sound broadcasts)[35] 25 years from publication (published editions of works)[36] [50 years from publication (photographs, no longer applicable since 1 January 2005)][33]	Yes[37]
Austria	Life + 70 years[38][39]	70 years from publication; 70 years from creation if unpublished (anonymous or pseudonymous work)[40]	Yes[41]
Azerbaijan	Life + 50 years (except posthumous work published at first time during 30 years)[42]	50 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work; posthumous work published at first time during 30 years)[43]	Yes[44]
Bahamas	Berne
Bahrain	Life + 50 calendar years (except posthumous work)[45]	50 calendar years from publication (cinematographic films, applied arts works and photographs; anonymous or pseudonymous works; corporate works; posthumous works)[46] 40 years from publication or 50 years from completion, whichever is earlier (computer software)[47]
Bangladesh	Life + 50 years
Barbados	Life + 50 years[48][49]	50 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous works)[50] 50 years from making (computer-generated work)[51] 50 years from publication; 50 years from creation if unpublished (sound recordings and films)[52] 50 years from creation (broadcast); 50 years after programme included in a cable programme service[53] 25 years from publication (typographical arrangement of a published edition)[22]	Yes[54]
Belarus	Life + 50 years[55]	50 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from creation (anonymous or pseudonymous works)[56] 50 years from fixation (performance)[57] 50 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from fixation (phonogram)[58] 50 years from the first broadcast or cable transmission[59]	Yes[60]
Belgium	Life + 70 years[61]
Belize	Life + 50 years[62]
Benin	Life + 50 years
Bermuda	Life + 50 years[63]
Berne Convention signatories	Life + 50 years[64] Signatories may grant longer terms.[65]	50 years from publication or if not shown 50 years from creation (cinematographic works)[66] 50 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous works)[67] 25 years from creation (photographic works)[68] Signatories may grant longer terms.[65]	Yes[69]
Bhutan	Life + 50 years[70]
Bolivia	Life + 50 years[71]
Bosnia and Herzegovina	Life + 70 years[72]
Botswana	Berne, TRIPS, WCT[73]
Brazil	Life + 70 years[74]
British Indian Ocean Territory	unknown
British Virgin Islands	unknown
Brunei	Life + 50 years[75]
Bulgaria	Life + 70 years (EU)[76]
Burkina Faso	Life + 70 years[77]
Burundi	Life + 50 years[78]	50 years from publication (phonograms)[78]
Cambodia	Life + 50 years[79]
Cameroon	Life + 50 years[80]
Canada	Life + 50 years[81][82]	For anonymous works, 50 years from publication or 75 years from creation, whichever is shorter.[81]	Yes [81]
Cape Verde	Life + 50 years[4]
Cayman Islands	unknown
Central African Republic	Berne, TRIPS
Chad	Berne, TRIPS
Chile	Life + 70 years[83]
China, People's Republic of (Mainland only)	Life + 50 years (citizens' works)[84]	50 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from creation (works of legal entities, cinematographic works, films or photographic works)[85]	Yes[6]
Colombia	Life + 80 years[86]	80 years from publication (cinematographic works)[30]	Yes[87]
Comoros	Berne
Congo, Democratic Republic of the	Berne, TRIPS
Congo, Republic of the	Berne, TRIPS
Costa Rica	Life + 70 years[88]
Côte d'Ivoire	Life + 99 years (except posthumous works published within this period)[89]	99 years from publication (photographic or audiovisual works or works of applied art; anonymous or pseudonymous works; posthumous works)[90]	Yes[91]
Croatia	Life + 70 years[92]
Cuba	Life + 50 years
Curaçao	Life + 50 years[93]
Cyprus	Life + 50 years (EU, WCT)[94]
Czech Republic	Life + 70 years[95]	70 years from publication (anonymous works)[96]	Yes[97]
Denmark	Life + 70 years[98]
Djibouti	Life + 25 years (Berne, TRIPS)[99]	25 years from publication or if unpublished 25 years from completion (film)[100] 25 years from completion (a photographic work or a work of applied art)[101]	Yes[102]
Dominica	Life + 70 years[103]
Dominican Republic	Life + 50 years[104]
Ecuador	Life + 70 years[105]
Egypt	Life + 50 years[106]
El Salvador	Life + 50 years[107]
Equatorial Guinea	Berne
Eritrea	the latter of Life + 0 years or 50 years since publication[108]
Estonia	Life + 70 years (EU)[109]	70 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous works)[110]	Yes[111]
Ethiopia	Life + 50 years[112]
European Union Members	Life + 70 years[113]	70 years from publication or if unpublished 70 years from creation (anonymous works)[114]	Yes[115]
Fiji	Life + 50 years[116]
Finland	Life + 70 years[117]	50 years from publication (sound recordings, television broadcasts and sound broadcasts)[118]50 years from creation (photographic works)[119]	Yes[120]
France	Life + 70 years (except posthumous works published after this term)[121][122] The following additions to copyright term formerly applied to all works, but the French Cour de Cassation has found them to be superseded by later copyright treaties, thus limiting the copyright term to life + 70 years total, at least for non-musical works of authors who did not "die for France".[123] + 6 years 152 days for musical work published through 1920[124] + 8 years and 120 days for musical work published through 1947[125] + 30 years for all works if the author died on active service[126]	70 years from publication (pseudonymous, anonymous or collective works)[127] 25 years from publication (posthumous works published after Art. L123-1 term)[128]	Yes[129]
Gabon	Berne, TRIPS, WCT
Gambia	Life + 50 years[130]
Georgia	Life + 70 years[131]
Germany	Life + 70 years[132]	25 years from first publication or first public performance if copyright has expired before such publication or performance, or if the work has never been protected in Germany and the author died more than 70 years before the first publication[133]	Yes[134]
Ghana	Life + 70 years[135]
Greece	Life + 70 years[136][137]	70 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous works)[138]	Yes[139]
Grenada	Berne, TRIPS[140]
Guatemala	Life + 75 years[141]	75 years from publication or if unpublished 75 years from creation (computer programs and collective works; anonymous or pseudonymous works; audiovisual works)[142]	Yes[143]
Guinea	TRIPS, WCT
Guinea-Bissau	Berne, TRIPS
Guyana	Life + 50 years[144]
Haiti	Berne, TRIPS[145]
Honduras	Life + 75 years[146]	70 years from publication or, if unpublished within 50 years, 70 years from creation (works of applied art and photographs)[147]	Yes[147]
Hong Kong[148]	Life + 50 years (literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works with known authorship)[149] Life + 50 years (films)[150]	50 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from creation (literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works with unknown authorship)[151] 50 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from creation (sound recordings)[152] 50 years from creation (broadcast); 50 years after programme included in a cable programme service[153] 25 years from publication (typographical arrangement of published editions)[154]	Yes[155]
Hungary	Life + 70 years[156]
Iceland	Life + 70 years[157]
India[158]	Life + 60 years (except posthumous works)[159][160]	60 years from publication (posthumous works, photographs, cinematograph films, sound recordings, works of public undertakings, and works of international organisations)[161]	Yes[162]
Indonesia	Life + 50 years[163]
Iran	Life + 50 years[164]	30 years from publication (photographic or cinematographic works)[165]
Iraq	Life + 50 years[166]
Ireland	Life + 70 years[167]
Israel	Life + 70 years[168]	50 years from publication (photographs created till May 2007)[169]	Yes[170]
Italy	Life + 70 years [Life + 50 years][171]	70 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work)[172] 20 years from publication (copyright of State, the provinces, the communes, the academies or public cultural organizations, or to private legal entities of a non-profit making character)	Yes[173]
Jamaica	Life + 50 years[174]
Japan	Life + 50 years[175]	70 years from publication or if unpublished 70 years from creation (cinematographic works)[176] 50 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from creation (works of a legal person or other corporate body)[177]	Yes[178]
Jordan	Life + 50 years[179]
Kazakhstan	Life + 50 years[180]
Kenya	Life + 50 years (literary, musical or artistic work other than photographs)[181]	50 years from the latest of creation or publication (audio-visual works and photographs)[182]	Yes[183]
Kiribati	Life + 50 years[130]
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of	Life + 50 years (Berne)[184]	Works authored by "an institution, enterprise or organization", 50 years from publication[184]
Korea, Republic of	Life + 70 years[185]	70 years from publication or if unpublished 70 years from creation (organizational works)[186]	Yes[187]
Kuwait	TRIPS[188]
Kyrgyzstan	Life + 50 years[189]
Laos	Life + 50 years.[190]	50 years after making available. Also: Anonymous/pseudonymous work: 50 years from the date the work was made available to the public; Cinematographic work: 50 years from making available, failing that, 50 years from making; Applied art: 25 years from date of creation. Related: Performances, phonograms, broadcasts: 50 years since the date of performance, fixation, and broadcast, respectively.
Latvia	Life + 70 years[191] [Life + 50 years][192]	70 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work)[193]	Yes[186]
Lebanon	Life + 50 years[194]
Lesotho	Life + 50 years[130]
Liberia	unknown
Libya	Life + 25 years with 50-year minimum (as of 1968; may have changed since)
Liechtenstein	Life + 70 years [Life + 50 years][195]
Lithuania	Life + 70 years [Life + 50 years][196]
Luxembourg	Life + 70 years [Life + 50 years][197]
Macau(b)	Life + 50 years[198]	50 years from publication (anonymous works)[199] 50 years from publication (audiovisual works)[200] 25 years from completion (works of applied art and photographic works)[201]	Yes[202]
Macedonia	Life + 70 years[203]
Madagascar	Life + 70 years[204]
Malawi	Life + 50 years[205]
Malaysia	Life + 50 years[206]
Maldives	Life + 50 years from death.
Mali	Life + 50 years[207]
Malta	Life + 70 years[208]
Marshall Islands	0, no copyright. Copyright legislation is not known to exist.[209]	0, no copyright.
Mauritania	Berne, TRIPS
Mauritius	Life + 50 years[210]
Mexico	Life + 100 years (effective 23 July 2003 non-retroactively)[211] [Life + 75 years (before the law change on 23 July 2003, applicable for deaths before 23 July 1928)][212] [Life + 50 years (before the law change on 1 January 1994, applicable for deaths before 1 January 1944)][213]
Micronesia	Life + 50 years[214]
Moldova	Life + 50 years[215]
Monaco	Life + 50 years[216]
Mongolia	Life + 50 years[217]
Montenegro[218]	Life + 70 years[219]
Morocco	Life + 50 years[220]
Mozambique	Life + 70 years[221]
Myanmar	TRIPS
Namibia	Life + 50 years (except posthumous works)[222]	50 years from publication (posthumous works)[223] 50 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from creation (cinematograph films, photographs and computer programs)[224]	Yes[225]
Nauru	unknown
Nepal	Life + 50 years	25 years from creation (applied art and photographic work)[226]
Netherlands	Life + 70 years[227]	70 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work, corporate works with no listed natural author)[228]
Caribbean Netherlands	Life + 50 years[229]
New Zealand	Life + 50 years (literary, dramatic, musical, or artistic work)[230]	50 years from creation (computer-generated work)[231]	Yes[232]
Nicaragua	Life + 70 years[233]
Niger	Life + 50 years[234]
Nigeria	Life + 70 years (literary, musical or artistic works other than photographs)[235]	70 years from publication (literary, musical or non-photograph artistic works in the case of government or a body corporate) 50 years from publication (cinematograph films and photographs) 50 years from creation (sound recordings) 50 years from publication (broadcasts)[235]	Yes[235]
Norway	Life + 70 years[236]		Yes [236]
Oman	Life + 70 years[237]	90 years from the year following the publication120 years from the year following the completion [238]	Yes
Pakistan	Life + 50 years[239]		Yes[239]
Palau	Life + 50 years[240]
Panama	Life + 50 years[241]
Papua New Guinea	Life + 50 years[242]
Paraguay	Life + 70 years[243]
Peru	Life + 70 years[244]
Philippines	Life + 50 years[245]	50 years from publication (photographic works), or 50 years from creation if unpublished within 50 years of creation[246]	Yes[247]
Poland	Life + 70 years[248]
Portugal	Life + 70 years [Life + 50 years][249]
Qatar	Life + 50 years[250]
Romania	Life + 70 years[251]
Russia	Life + 70 years[252] Rehabilitation + 70 years (for repressed and rehabilitated) Life + 74 years (for those taking part or working during the war of 1941–1945) Life + 50 years (death before 1943)[253]	70 years from publication date for non-amateur cinematographic works published before 1993. All copyrights prior to October Revolution (7-th November 1917) are believed to be expired...
Rwanda	Berne, TRIPS
St. Kitts and Nevis	Life + 50 years[130]
St. Lucia	Life + 50 years[254]
St. Vincent and the Grenadines	Life + 75 years (literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work)[255]	75 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from creation (sound recording or film)[256] 50 years from creation (computer-generated work)[257] 50 years from creation (broadcast); 50 years after programme included in a cable programme service[258]	Yes[259]
Samoa	Life + 75 years[260]
San Marino	Life + 50 years[261]
São Tomé and Príncipe	unknown
Saudi Arabia	Life + 50 years[262]
Senegal	Life + 70 years[263]
Serbia[264]	Life + 70 years[219]
Seychelles	Life + 25 years[265]	25 years from publication (photograph, film, or broadcast)[266] 25 years from creation (sound recording)[267]	Yes[256]
Sierra Leone	Life + 50 years[268]	50 years from publication (photograph, film, or broadcast)[269] 50 years from creation (sound recording)[270]
Singapore[271]	Life + 70 years (except posthumous work)[272][273]	70 years from publication (posthumous work, photograph)[274] 70 years from publication (sound recordings and cinematograph films)[275] 50 years after making (television broadcasts, sound broadcasts, cable programmes)[276] 25 years from publication (published editions of works)[277]	Yes[278]
Sint Maarten	Life + 50 years[93]
Slovakia	Life + 70 years[279]
Slovenia	Life + 70 years[280]
Solomon Islands	Life + 50 years[281]
Somalia	unknown
South Africa	Life + 50 years (literary or musical works or artistic works, other than photographs)[282]	50 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from creation (cinematography films, photographs, computer programs)[224] 50 years from publication (sound recordings; broadcasts; programme-carrying signals; and published editions)[283]	Yes[225]
Spain	Life + 70 years [Life + 80 years(1879–1987), Life + 60 years(1987–1994)][284]		Yes[285]
Sri Lanka	Life + 70 years[286]	70 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from completion (audiovisual work) [286] 25 years from publication (applied art)[286]	Yes[286]
Sudan	Life + 50 years[287]	25 years from publication (photographic pictures and cinematographic films and other audiovisual works; works published under unknown pseudonym or anonymously)[288]
Suriname	Berne, TRIPS
Swaziland	Life + 50 years[289]
Sweden	Life + 70 years[290]		Yes[290]
Switzerland	Life + 70 years effective 1 July 1993 non-retroactively, but Life + 50 years for computer programs[291] [Life + 50 years (before the law change on 1 July 1993, applicable for deaths through 1942)][292]	50 years after performance (performers' rights)[293]	Yes[294]
Syria	Life + 50 years[295]	10 years from production (photographic, fine arts or plastic arts)[296]
Taiwan	Life + 50 years (except posthumous works first published 40 to 50 years after death)[297]	50 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work)[294] 50 years from publication; 50 years from creation if unpublished (corporate works; photographic works, audiovisual works, sound recordings, and performances)[298] 10 years from publication (posthumous works first published 40 to 50 years after death)[299]	Yes[300]
Tajikistan	Berne
Tanzania	Life + 50 years[301]
Thailand	Life + 50 years[302]	50 years from publication or 50 years from creation if not published within 50 years from creation
Timor Leste	Life + 50 years[163]
Togo	Life + 50 years[303]
Tonga	Life + 50 years[304]
Trinidad and Tobago	Life + 50 years[305]
Tunisia	Life + 50 years[306]
Turkey	Life + 70 years[307]
Turkmenistan	Life + 50 years[308]
Tuvalu	Life + 50 years[130]
Uganda	TRIPS
Ukraine	Life + 70 years [Life + 25 years (1963—1994), Life + 50 years (1994—2001)][309]	70 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work) 70 years from publication (published within 30 years from authors' deaths)[309]	Yes[309]
United Arab Emirates	Life + 50 years[310]
United Kingdom	Life + 70 yearsIf the author is unknown, 70 years If there are multiple authors, life of last surviving author + 70 years[311] For films, life + 70 years for the last to die of: principal director, author of screenplay, author of dialogue, or composer of music specifically created for and used in the film.[312]	50 years after release; if not released, 50 years after making (sound recordings).EU Directive 2011/77/EU, extending this period to 70 years from 1 November 2013, has been adopted but not yet ratified by Parliament. Phonograms already out of copyright in 2013 will not be retroactively protected.[313][314][315] 50 years from end of calendar year when the broadcast was first made (broadcasts) [316]	Yes[317]
United States[318]	Life + 70 years (works published since 1978 or unpublished works)[319]	95 years from publication or 120 years from creation whichever is shorter (anonymous works, pseudonymous works, or works made for hire, published since 1978)[320] 95 years from publication for works published 1964–1977; 28 (if copyright not renewed) or 95 years from publication for works published 1923–1963 (Copyrights prior to 1923 have expired, not including copyrights on sound recordings published prior to Feb 15, 1972, covered only under state laws.)[321]	Yes[322]
Universal Copyright Convention minimum terms	Life + 25 years (general works)[323]	25 years from publication (specific works not based on authors' deaths)[324] 10 years (photographic works or to works of applied art)[325]
Uruguay	Life + 50 years[326]
Uzbekistan	Life + 50 years[327]
Vanuatu	unknown
Vatican City	Life + 70 years[328]
Venezuela	Life + 60 years[329]	60 years from publication; 60 years from creation if unpublished (an audiovisual work, a broadcast work or a computer program)[30] 60 years from publication (anonymous or pseudonymous work)[172]	Yes[330]
Vietnam	Berne
Yemen	Life + 30 years
Zambia	Life + 50 years[331]
Zimbabwe	Life + 50 years[332][333]	50 years from publication (photographs)[334] 50 years from creation (Sound recordings)[335] 50 years from publication (cinematograph films, broadcasts)[336]	Yes[337]

 
 

 

To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
From: ngunimicrowave@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 05:18:45 -0500
Subject: [camnetwork] Ignorant Etongwe the Carpenter, Learn Copyright Law

Etongwe The Carpenter,

I do not know how you were raised but I see a lot of deficiency in your thinking. It is amazing how you can open your mouth in public and be commenting on a subject that you know nothing about.

 

Do you know what copyright law is? You have to answer because I am amazed by your ignorance. Do you know how copyright law works? Please, answer before I make a fool of you. I did not want to get into this because I knew you were just talking from jealousy and not from anything else. 

 

I know you are a nurse even though you are behaving like a carpenter. If you deal with patients, then you must be somehow be knowledgeable about medical malpractice. Do you somehow know the statute of limitation to file for medical malpractice? Answer you this carpenter. It is 3 years. You can file for medical malpractice within 3 years. after that, you complaint is invalid.

 

Let me tell you and others who seem to be reeling in the mud of ignorance. Apart from Micro Nguni being confirmed member of the Rocafil Jazz band, there is something known as limitation of statute of limitation in copyright law.

 

When a record has been out for a certain number of years, in most cases 10 years, the limitation statute kicks in and anybody can do what they like with the song so long as the name of the original author is written on the mechanical rights sheet during duplication. I hope you and others like you get it for once and for all because your ignorance is stinking to high heavens

 

Sweet Mother came out more than 37 years ago and for the last 27 years, there has been more than 15 versions in the market. Before that there was one album made up of Sweet Mother, Aki Special and Christiana by Slim Ali of Kenya whom personally met at the 5-star Ambassador Hotel in Nairobi in 1978.

 

Slim Ali released that album without even asking permission from Rogers All Stars but Prince Nico made some money from sales royalties because it was still within 10 years. Prince also git paid everytime any of those songs (Ali's version)was played over the radio and at clubs and other public places, which does not exist in Cameroon to this day.

 

Everyone who knows the band Soukous Stars knows that they released a series of songs including Sweet Mother, Aki, Christiana in their hit album "Lagos Night", which gave them instant fame. This was in the 90's, more than 15 years after the release of Sweet Mother. They had the right to do so because the statute of limitation had passed. What say you, Mr Etongwe the carpenter?

 

Bands all over the world play Sweet Mother at festivals, concerts and what have you without any noise. Why are you this ignorant Etongwe the carpenter so desperate to talk about things that you know nothing about? Are you blind because of your jealousy? Again, I, Micro, of Rocafil Jaza is Rocafil Jazz, okay?

 

If all these groups, bands and what have you could play Sweet Mother, then why should you be opening your mouth like a fool and be questioning the integrity of a whole Rocafil Jazz top member? Do you see how foolish and jealous you are?

 

On the contrary, those of us who are the original members of Rocafil Jazz did not even need to wait 10 years to do our own versions according to copyright law. But none of us did as we were too involved in touring the world. Not even me who created my own band. Of all the albums I released in the 80's none had anything to do with Prince Nico's songs even though I had the right to do so.

 

Etongwe the carpenter, please stop making a fool of yourself. After debunking your foolish knowledge of Jazz music, here comes the above making you look like damn fool again. For how long should your foolishness be exposed in public.

 

Look here carpenter, those of us who are active Rocafil Jazz members are the ones playing uncle and aunty to Nico's children who are doing fine by the way. These kids and their moms talk to me all the time. We talk by phone. We chat on FB. I take their concerns and call Rogers All Stars to straighten things out. I will limit it there. All this behind the scenes and all this, which I am not obliged by any law to do. Do you get it, moron?

 

Next time, come here to talk about Nico's legacy and rights that are being enjoyed by Micro-wave, you ignorant idiot. You are going to suffocate in that your jealousy. How it did not occur to you that you should at least do some googling on copyright law before opening you large rotten mouth is amazing. 

 

Bottomline, Sweet Mother was released in 1976. It's statute of limitation as far as copyright is concern was over in 1986. As from that point, anybody could what they like with the song so long as they included the name of the songwriter on the mechanical rights sheet during duplication. Some of you reading might ask how the artist gets this mechanical rights.

 

It is just because Cameroon is what it is. In other societies, duplication of Cds or any intellectual material is well structured. When I released my album "Policier" in the USA in 2001, 25 years after the release of Sweet Mother, it contained some Prince Nico's songs. Discmakers Inc of NJ who handled the duplication gave me a sheet where I filled in the various songs and the names of the original author/s.

 

So, when you pay for duplication, there is a portion that is allocated to the composer, co-composer of each song. And boy, they have a mechanism to detect the original composer of each song. If you write down Sweet Mother as I did, the system will verify and bring out all songs on earth that have that title and get the original composer and when the original was released. Payment is made accordingly

 

Right now, Prince Nico's family is still getting royalties from Rogers All Stars who is the label owner. The family is paid royalties from the sales of all original Prince Nico's releases according to the contract that Rogers All Stars signed with Prince Nico in 1974, 2 years before the release of Sweet Mother. Some people do not know that Prince Nico had released 3 albums prior to Sweet Mother. 

 

All other rights from the original works exploited outside Nigeria are paid to SACEM in Paris who in turn pay to Rogers All Stars. Prince became a member of SACEM in 1977 from their Abidjan office while we were there on tour.

 

That is how copyright works in well structured societies which is why artists are doing well all over the world except in some countries in Africa with Cameroon leading the worse cases. That's also why ignorance about copyright in Cameroon stinks to high heavens.

 

I want Etongwe the carpenter to shut his large mouth for good and also stop portraying his gross ignorance in public. If he thought he had found something to say about me, he lost it instead. Ignorance is a disease and it is eating up people like Etongwe the carpenter.

 

There are attorneys in this house. Mr Etongwe is free to contact them for further information. Moron. You will pay me for all this info. You cabinda.

 

Micro

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/27/2014 3:21:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, setongwe@hotmail.com writes:

 

So where are all these music products of yours. 
 
The gullibility factor now kicks in now. Why would Nico Mbarga, a man with a wife and children make you, his mere employee, his sole heir to everything that meant something him?
 
You make every effort, whenever you have the opportunity, to produce your own rendition of Nico Mbarga's works. What happened to your own original music that you claim?
 
I already see your disclaimer, as subtle as it is, why your own works are unknown in Cameroon and in America; they sell in Nigeria because your bami friends and others in Fiango, kumba and your fellow classmates in sasse, mind you, not sasse old boys, and your many fans and buddies in America would not buy your mus ic! Right? Liar!
 
Not everyone on camnetwork is as gullible and susceptible to your bulling as you assume. In spite of your  lengthy explanation you don't "make no sense". The reason? You have no sense, period.
 
Nursing?
 
Not very long ago, the information reaching us was that your were critically ill, and in intensive care and comatose in a local D.C suburb hospital. In fact, many did not think that you would survive and were already sending round a collection plate, yet you did. Being without any sense, you did not see to whom you owed your life today.
 
Sango Nguni, your freaking life was in the hands of a REGISTERED NURSE. And I am a very competent one at that. Of course, you will claim that your doct ors saved your life, but consistent with your no-sense, you fail to see that your doctor spent an average of 5 minutes with you, but your RN was with you 24 hours a day, nursing you back to your fake guitar maestro claim.
 
If you were not the ingrate and opportunist that you are, you would not say anything negative about NURSES.
 
But you are Jacob Nguni, who after decades in America has failed to see the power of an education, even a GED. You count on continuously defrauding the Mbarga estate of their residual income from Mbarga's intellectual assets, even as you claim yours, imaginary for the benefit of this discussion, in Nigeria.
 
Ignorance is bliss, so the Mbarga estate let you freeload.
 
< font face="Tahoma">BTW, when was the last time you were in Nigeria?

 
Big Mop For Nating.
 
Shame!
 
 
 
 


Samuel-King Etongwe
Laurel, MD

 

To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
From: ngunimicrowave@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:24:04 -0500
Subject: [camnetwork] Insecure Etongwe // Re: (SAF) Jacob Nguni: As you say! [1 Attachment]

Moron Etongwe,

I see you declaring victory already. You are a big fool. I have told you that you do not know me. The best you have done is to learn more about the Jacob Nguni you did no know. My profession is the last thing I would love to discuss in public but since you forced me. Eat your words. Read my mail and come back to open your toilet again you moron. Dancing in an empty ring a boxer does not make. keep your promise and go the full length. You this jealous fool. I can see the grammar you will use to fight me. Moron.

 

You are the most foolish idiot on this forum. You are also very primitive. It seems as if you thought I would not respond. You are a nurse of no consequence and relevance to the community at large because there is nothing peculiar that you do. Anybody can come to America and become a nurse. True or false? I am waiting for the day the folks will pay to see you performing as a nurse like what obtains below. You will never be anything than the obscure nurse that you are. Rubbish. Bushman.

 

 

                                                                                                    Micro-Wave

 Micro-Wave

-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel-king Etongwe <setongwe@hotmail.com>
To: Camnetwork Yahoogroups.com <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 12:16 pm
Subject: RE: [camnetwork](SAF) Jacob Nguni: As you say!

 

 SAF,
 
I said it's a mistake to challenge this Etongwe to any duel! I take it up to the fullest.
 
If you are concerned, advice him. I doubt he has any legal claim to his king's estate in spite of his big mouth about; quote, "I am who I am " 



Samuel-King Etongwe
Laurel, MD

 

To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
From: suhade@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:10:41 -0800
Subject: Re: RE: [camnetwork](SAF) Jacob Nguni: As you say!

 

Ok. Please lets have peace. I hope he doesn't respond to your mail and if he does please don't respond. SAF Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From: Samuel-king Etongwe <setongwe@hotmail.com>;
To: Camnetwork Yahoogroups. com <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: RE: [camnetwork](SAF) Jacob Nguni: As you say!
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 4:59:19 PM

Sango SAF,   In truth there is no need. But, it's a MISTAKE to challenge Samuel-King Etongwe to a wrestling match, as it were. Of all people, Not Sango Yacub!   Not only do I keep my word, but as they say in Florida, I also,  "Stand My Ground"   This is his claim, and I take him up!   "Pickin wey say "papi" no go sleep, e too no go sleep" Samuel-King Etongwe Laurel, MD   To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com From: suhade@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:49:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Jacob Nguni: As you say!   Samuel-King Please why are you starting another round of argument with Jacob. Is this necessary? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From: Samuel-king Etongwe <setongwe@hotmail.com>; To: Camnetwork Yahoogroups. com <camnetwork@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: [camnetwork] Jacob Nguni: As you say! Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 4:30:32 PM   Sango Yacub,   As you say,   "I am who I am.  "Pickin wey say mami no go sleep, e too no go sleep"".   Pickin wey say... , I know all about that!   So, who are you, really? Agreed, you are proficient at the solo guitar; does that make you a first class guitar player? No! Do your guitar skills make you a musician? I think not!   Cameroon has many music instrument players who are also renown musicians, both past and present, easy examples, Toguy (Toto Guillaume) he was not only proficient at your instrument, he wrote, composed, arranged and sang his own lyrics; Toguy's works are everywhere. Take contemporary Sango Richard Bona; he too is proficient at your instrument, he, like ToGuy, writes, composes, arranges and sings. His works too, are everywhere.   You never hear them boast about themselves or make your sort of outrageous arrogant claims.    So, what is this your nonsense about, "I am who I am". Point to any of your musical works in the market!   You are living FAT on Nico Mbarga's legacy. Are you his Next-of-Kin? Or, is that the reason you are holding tight onto his daughter so that they do not get WISE on your skim?   Normally, you have no rights to any residual income from his works. You were his employee, NOT his business partner, unless he assigned those inheritance rights to you. Yet you act like you were Nico Mbarga himself, when it come to his music.   You are endowed with great guitar talent, show us what you have done with the talent!   Don't live off a dead man's legacy!   "Pickin wey say mami no go sleep, e too no go sleep"       Samuel-King Etongwe Laurel, MD

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