Mola Fred
I support u for dis, English we no dey talk, our own contri talk we no,no,wet we be, now na maths and English di cosam, wen thos old politician dem dey open scholl for each village with 10 people population,weti we dey thinck, some of us for this forum dey support all those foolish people di spoil place.No be maths and English go change things,
How Ekok go get GHS, Eyumock GHS, Inokun,GTC,Ndekwai, Nursing school. wonna tell me which infastruction and population weh did villages dem get.when we old donkey politician dem clap hand tell we papa dem say dem go open dem school e mean say na wonda dem creat,
tell m say I just graduate from ENS dem transfer me for Inokun or Onaku I go go,i sill young, still dey look for small thing, make we close all those foolish gov,t school dem and concentrate for those one dem wey dem dey for city.
God bless us.
KennethOjong
On Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:15 AM, Fred Kemah <fred.kemah@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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From: "Fred Kemah fred.kemah@hotmail.co.uk [fakonet]" <fakonet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: August 23, 2014 9:10 AM
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Subject: [fakonet] Pidgin English - not at fault.
Gentlemen,
I am reading with interest the ongoing exchanges following the release of GCE results.
When I speak Lingala, you keep asking me how come. Why do you think pidgin English is the culprit or is to blame for the poor performance of our schools? And what is the reason behind the poor results in Maths?
Did you know as Anglophones we really do not have an Identity? Hands down on Pidgin English.. Zaire people have Lingala as their language. If elected, I will press for a bill paving the way for pidgin English to be approved as our national language. Our schools must allow students to enjoy pidgin in campus.
In this society, British born Cameroon children are struggling with languages in times of house- hold secret discussions because we dont speak pidgin to them. Their counterparts from Nigeria, Zaire, India do articulate in their local languages and dialetes. This in my view could justify the proper network amongst citizens from these countries of origin. Lets be wise
Mola Fred
London.
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Sent: August 23, 2014 8:46 AM
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I am reading with interest the ongoing exchanges following the release of GCE results.
When I speak Lingala, you keep asking me how come. Why do you think pidgin English is the culprit or is to blame for the poor performance of our schools? And what is the reason behind the poor results in Maths?
Did you know as Anglophones we really do not have an Identity? Hands down on Pidgin English.. Zaire people have Lingala as their language. If elected, I will press for a bill paving the way for pidgin English to be approved as our national language. Our schools must allow students to enjoy pidgin in campus.
In this society, British born Cameroon children are struggling with languages in times of house- hold secret discussions because we dont speak pidgin to them. Their counterparts from Nigeria, Zaire, India do articulate in their local languages and dialetes. This in my view could justify the proper network amongst citizens from these countries of origin. Lets be wise
Mola Fred
London.
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Sent: August 23, 2014 8:46 AM
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Mola Mbako,
I didn't say the source of the problem is "Francophones".I said they have an advantage in Cameroon whether they pass English or not which is plainly true. Unlike Anglophones whose gateway from oppression is English. Without English they are trapped in the oppressive state. Consequently, while the entire deplorable pass rate should be of concern, the Anglophones are in a worse state.This is true, Mola.I am not in that kind of writing to please all for expediency reasons. Solution? Check whether ALL lecturers are qualified for those subjects -- at least at O Level standards. All lecturers. Give lecturers training on English (and possibly French if need be) if they are wanting. This is called Continuous Professional Development..Good Practice Those who wish to teach the subject at O/A Levels must hold a degree in the discipline of the language...Finally, stop this bribery and nepotism into professional schools.. put quality control in place...and get the children to start reading..mobile library, local libraries should be built..ban pidgin English in college campus...well, you can allow Mopkwe..Hope this helps.Mbua
On Saturday, 23 August 2014, 0:37, "Mola Mbako MAloy17266@aol.com [FakoNation]" <FakoNation@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Very interesting contribution from Dr Fonso.
Mola Mbua I strongly disagree with the victim mentality we are bringing into this educational debate. Things cannot be always politics. I would you attempted some solutions rather than throw in spanners. You are the one very qualified and learned man who thinks the source of failure in English is the Francophones. This is ridiculous and unhelpful.
Mola Mbako
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From: Michael Fonso fonsomichael@googlemail.com [CamDocUk] <CamDocUk@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:48
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I think Dr T and Mola M have hit the nail bang on the head with this. I totally agree that Pidgin English is at the heart of these poor results, but perhaps not in the derogatory manner as some might expect.
I think most would be loathe to consider Cameroonians (Anglophones) as native English speakers. We may use English as an official language but this does not necessarily equate to native speaking. Anglophone Cameroonians with GCEs in English are still required to take some sort of English language testing in order to access higher education institutions in countries 'accepted' as native English speaking e.g. USA, Australia etc.
A multitude of languages in English-speaking Cameroon, without one being particularly dominant over the other, leave us with little 'choice' but to turn to the English language. This is very interesting because Pidgin is ubiquitously spoken and it is our one 'dominant' language over so many others but we are ambivalent towards it. On the one hand, we speak it from birth and readily converse in it, especially with those we feel close to. On the other hand we shun it like the plague, quick to distance ourselves from it when we wish to remain formal or, perhaps, wish to leave an impression. There may be reasons related to colonial rule why this is the case as Pidgin was viewed as a 'corruption' of the English language. I think that view may explain why we do not do so well with the English language and I believe those who continue to hold that arcaic view are simply misled.
Pidgin is actually a Creole; along with English words, there are French ones and diction originating from local dialects. It is a language in its own right and not a corruption of any other. If you listen with intent you will quickly recognise tenses, syntax, phonology and all the other characteristics typical of any other language. The trouble is, for a language we speak 'naturally,' we do not learn the rules and regulations governing its use and therefore we do not quite 'know what we are saying' i.e. why we choose to say something in one manner over another.
These fundamental principles are broadly similar to most languages and therefore when it comes to learning English (which must be viewed as a foreign language if you accept the notion that we are not native speakers) you can see why Anglophone Cameroonians might struggle: you are essentially asked to learn a foreign language without a firm grasp of a base language as reference. This, of course, can be done but only a minority is likely to succeed. For example, a primary school pupil is more likely to understand the concept of the future tense of the verb to go - 'I will go' - if s/he can relate it to what s/he says, subconsciously, in Pidgin - 'I go go.' Our Francophones compatriots are likely to fare better as they would have already received instruction in their native French to include its grammar. As one who passed through Italy for my undergraduate studies, it was certainly my observation that those Anglophone Cameroonians who spoke Italian particularly well were more likely to be more proficient in English.
I've always wondered how easier some of the subjects in school might have appeared had they been taught in Pidgin and what impact this could have on national literacy and numeracy rates. Employing considerable resources to dissect language before even attempting to deal with the concept being taught is very taxing indeed and can be a put off. A friend recently recounted an essay topic he chose in Form One in Sacred Heart College which he thought would land him all the marks available. The essay was set by one of the British teachers in the College and it was entitled 'A Day In The Park.' My friend wrote about a day he spent trying to get transport from Ntarikon Park to Wum - I need not tell whether he passed or not. You can see the problem here - it is context, but context is language and as far as our language is concerned bus stations are 'Parks,' period! Just like Americans call nappies diapers or pavements sidewalks, we have our own descriptors too. Anyway, I could go on…
I am not suggesting we ditch the English language, that would be catastrophic, but perhaps a redefinition of our relationship with Pidgin and its role in our society is audacious enough.
Mike
On 19 Aug 2014, at 07:27, 'Konje, Justin C. (Prof.)' mailto:jck4@leicester.ac.uk [CamDocUk] <CamDocUk@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Thanks Theo and Mola this.Greetings from Doha. I am settling down and should be active on the forum as soon as I have my bearings sorted.
This is really a shock but not a surprise. I hope someone takes notice of this and institutes appropriate steps to ameliorate this disaster in our education system. It is a reflection of what is going on in the country. Everyone prefers to speak a new language that combines French and English or as the case may be, speak French thinking its "cool" to do so. The consequence of this is that none of these students will be able to get into international institutions and will most likely be condemed to second rate higher institutions.I think its about time politicians and indeed the public relook at how disastrous their actions are in the country.Are we as individuals contributors to this?Now that this is off my chest, I feel relieved!! but still angry!! No attemts at therapy please - it will not work!!
Best wishesjustin
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You are right Theo. I even learnt to read pidgin English as a separate language. I am not sure they read novels either.Mola Mbako
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Date:18/08/2014 12:11 (GMT+00:00)
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I wonder how much of this is due to the quality of the teaching they are getting? We spoke pidgin english but could distinguish between pidgin english and proper english. The grammar is even a bigger problem.Dr. Theodore Ngatchu, MD FRCPConsultant Physician & GastroenterologistHonorary Senior Lecturer in Clinical Medicine
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Theo I was concerned about the level of English particularly popular of the Anglophone candidates I examined in Buea. I thought the Francophone candidates had more mastery of the language. Is it because of the pidgin English factor?Mola Mbako
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Very interesting statistics. It explains why we cannot listen to proper English and why geometries of structures are failing. I think the teachers should be very concerned about their work.
Dr Theo Ngatchu MD, FRCPConsultant GastroenterologistHonorary Senior Clinical Lecturer
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2014 CAMEROON GCE RESULTS ANALYSIS; YOUR GUIDE TO ENGLISH-SPEAKING CAMEROON'S BEST 25 SCHOOLSSource of raw data and Advanced Level honours list; GCE Board's Results Booklet.Full quantitative and qualitative analysis of results including performances in English and maths, quality of grades, ranking schools in each academic category, overall ranking of schools etc were all done by Fako UK/Fako News Centre.
Part A; English Language and mathematics (the core subjects)English is the language that defines the English-speaking Cameroonian. It has to be taught well, spoken well and written well. It is the medium through which English-speaking pupils and students are taught in schools hence it is the most important subject at the Ordinary Level. This year, 89,821 candidates sat the English exam at the 'O-Levels' and 77,911 failed (86.74 per cent failed). In mathematical ratios, this means that out of every 100 candidates who sat the English exam, roughly 87 failed. This is very shocking. Another embarrassing statistic is that only 4 candidates in the whole country had an A grade in English language; one from Sacred Heart College Bamenda, one from Our Lady of Lourdes Bamenda, one from PSS Mankon, Bamenda and one from GBHS Etoug-Ebe. The 77,911 candidates who failed English would have to re-sit GCE O-levels in the coming year(s) if they want to study beyond high school. This is because no matter how intelligent one is, passing English language is a prerequisite for gaining admission into all institutions of higher learning in English-speaking Cameroon and the rest of the English-speaking world.In mathematics, 86,724 candidates sat the exam and 78,568 failed (90.60 per cent failed). This is a disgrace. No wonder even though some students passed the O-levels overall, they still burst into tears because they failed English and/or maths. They and their parents knew straight away that they (students) would have to re-sit the GCE O-levels or else they would be stuck after their A-levels.PART B; THE BEST STUDENTSAt the Advanced Level, Christine Enowmbi Tambe of Saker Baptist College, Limbe, came 1st in the whole of Cameroon with 5A grades and having the highest average score within the grade 'A' boundaries in all her subjects, beating every other student who had 5A grades. The list of the best 32 candidates and the schools they came from can be found at the bottom of this page.The Cameroon GCE board mistakenly omitted the physics O-level results from the results booklet and so the O-levels honour list that was published was inaccurate. The board promised that the O-levels honour roll would be re-done.PART C; THE BEST 25 SCHOOLSThe ranking of schools is based on exam results and nothing else. It is left on schools, proprietors, PTA and ex-students associations to investigate why their schools have done very well or performed below expectation. We have looked at seven measures for each school and put them under sub-measures of Quantity and Quality; five for O-levels and two for A-levels. They are;
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