Great ideas by Mr. Rajesh. There is a general misunderstanding that people from industry know everything about practical aspects of business irrespective of the positions they hold in the companies. Even if they specialize in one functional area they may not be experts in the entire gambit of such function.
Secondly comparing a heart surgeon with management faculty is inappropriate. Management is never considered as a profession in its fullest sense. It is legally mandatory to possess a prescribed qualification to practice medical profession while it is not so for management profession either in corporate or in academics. It is not compulsory to possess M. B. A. to work as a manager in a company. Many of the Bank officers or insurance officers do not possess an M. B. A. Degree at the time of their initial appointment. Some of them aquire M. B. A. Through distance mode may be at a later stage of their career. Hence comparison is not appropriate. Encouraging such people to join as academicians after retirement is absolutely incorrect. Prof. Sai
"p v s sai " <pvssai@gmail.com>: Feb 22 02:08AM Some one comparing all of us with great personalities like Swami Vivekananda, Mahatma Gandhi Martin luther king. I wonder how the comparison can be made? Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "p v s sai " <pvssai@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 02:03:58 To: <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: pvssai@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders I am finding people with 35+ years of industry experience are now teaching in management schools as Professors who do have little research experience. For three reasons I feel they should be disqualified. 1. They may not be having research experience or a 'genuine' Ph. D. 2. If they work after 60 years also ( employed at 23) where are the job opportunities for youth? 3. They cannot be as energetic and enthusiastic as those of youngsters. With great reasons retirement at the age of 60 is introduced. Let us honor it. Prof. Sai Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "p v s sai " <pvssai@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 01:49:33 To: <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: pvssai@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders Dear all, I strongly advise that people who retire from industry after 20 years of service should be disqualified to join academics as they are seeing this as a shelter for their retired life. Prof. Sai Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Natrajan Chandrasekhar <mithmerc@hotmail.com> Sender: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:24:40 To: <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders Esteemed Colleagues In fact I would now sponsor the idea of "the other way around"! Individuals without industry experience of at least say 5 years should not be taken on as Professor's particularly in Business Schools & Engineering schools. What Mr Makarand Joshi has pointed out is a very very important issue. Remember what we should try to address is the huge gap between preaching and practicing. Would suggest that individuals interested visit such schools abroad and gather factual information. Warm regards N Chandrasekhar Camp -Puebla, Mexico ( Visiting faculty) -- Sent from my Lumia Windows Phone ________________________________ From: MAKARAND JOSHI<mailto:makarand1234@gmail.com> Sent: 2/21/2015 11:14 AM To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com<mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders I really wonder .... 1. How a person who has not sold anything worth even a rupee can teach a subject like Marketing Management? 2. How a person who has never worked in a Bank can teach Banking 3. How a person who has never worked in a finance department of any company can teach Corporate Finance 4. How a person who has never worked in any company as an HR guy teach HRM? 5 How a person who has never worked in a factory shop floor can teach Operations Management? How does a NET or a PhD help a person to acquire practical aspects of these professions which can be brought into the classroom? Anyone please? > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to join_mtc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Makarand Joshi +919422805719 -- MTC GLOBAL- Educate, Empower, Elevate --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Management Teachers Consortium, Global" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to join_mtc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- MTC GLOBAL- Educate, Empower, Elevate --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Management Teachers Consortium, Global" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to join_mtc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
"Virendra Goel" <goel.virendra@gmail.com>: Feb 22 09:40AM +0530 The discussion has become a war of bias based on personal experience instead of how student will be benefitted, nobody is perfect, experience matters, it is important for the educators to know about ever changing dynamics of the world – discussion needs to be focused on how this end can be achieved. Regards Virendra Goel From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p v s sai Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 7:38 AM To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders Some one comparing all of us with great personalities like Swami Vivekananda, Mahatma Gandhi Martin luther king. I wonder how the comparison can be made? Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone _____ From: "p v s sai " <pvssai@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 02:03:58 +0000 To: <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: pvssai@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders I am finding people with 35+ years of industry experience are now teaching in management schools as Professors who do have little research experience. For three reasons I feel they should be disqualified. 1. They may not be having research experience or a 'genuine' Ph. D. 2. If they work after 60 years also ( employed at 23) where are the job opportunities for youth? 3. They cannot be as energetic and enthusiastic as those of youngsters. With great reasons retirement at the age of 60 is introduced. Let us honor it. Prof. Sai Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone _____ From: "p v s sai " <pvssai@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 01:49:33 +0000 To: <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: pvssai@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders Dear all, I strongly advise that people who retire from industry after 20 years of service should be disqualified to join academics as they are seeing this as a shelter for their retired life. Prof. Sai Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone _____ From: Natrajan Chandrasekhar <mithmerc@hotmail.com> Sender: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:24:40 -0600 To: <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders Esteemed Colleagues In fact I would now sponsor the idea of "the other way around"! Individuals without industry experience of at least say 5 years should not be taken on as Professor's particularly in Business Schools & Engineering schools. What Mr Makarand Joshi has pointed out is a very very important issue. Remember what we should try to address is the huge gap between preaching and practicing. Would suggest that individuals interested visit such schools abroad and gather factual information. Warm regards N Chandrasekhar Camp -Puebla, Mexico ( Visiting faculty) -- Sent from my Lumia Windows Phone _____ From: MAKARAND JOSHI <mailto:makarand1234@gmail.com> Sent: 2/21/2015 11:14 AM To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders I really wonder .... 1. How a person who has not sold anything worth even a rupee can teach a subject like Marketing Management? 2. How a person who has never worked in a Bank can teach Banking 3. How a person who has never worked in a finance department of any company can teach Corporate Finance 4. How a person who has never worked in any company as an HR guy teach HRM? 5 How a person who has never worked in a factory shop floor can teach Operations Management? How does a NET or a PhD help a person to acquire practical aspects of these professions which can be brought into the classroom? Anyone please? On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:37 PM, prithvishankar <psray61@hotmail.com> wrote: Dear Esteemed members, With the implementation of Choice based credit system, the emphasis is on employ ability aspects of education; hence system and the students would require more teaching delivery content and mechanism based on experiential knowledge from industry too. I am sure our education system is robust to determine whether an industry person possess basic domain knowledge throuugh his education system that he/ she had qualified earlier. He/ she needs to update with current domain knowledge regularly (though more theoretical than empirical) if they want to join and survive in academic mainstream. No body would hesitate to qualify any examination like UGC-Net. But perhaps, it is like telling a practicing doctor/ engineer/ professional who also research interests and can also teach effectively , to qualify again for a current MBBS/ B.Tech / MBA/ CA degree respectively! I wonder, and I am sorry to observe that in this forum the a large section of esteemed academic fraternity who haven't had any industry experience , never talks of going through any kind industry internships to update themselves. Rather than welcoming people from industry, and encouraging mutual peer-to-peer learning , they would suggest ways of restricting them! It is this very reason, that people from industry are reluctant to join academics and those who join are not allowed to effectively contribute and grow! Ultimately, it is the feedback from the main stakeholders, that is students, which matters as to who has basic domain knowledge or not, and who can deliver experiential knowledge or not! There is a huge reluctance from the academic fraternity domain that is resisting these feedback systems to be effectively implemented, to which industry people are used to for learning and improvements. I request the MHRD and UGC to note the above aspects and create conditions to correct them, and put them into action. Request your kind views on them! regards, Dr.P.S.Raychaudhuri New Delhi > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Management Teachers Consortium, Global" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to join_mtc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com <mailto:join_mtc%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com> . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- MTC GLOBAL- Educate, Empower, Elevate --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Management Teachers Consortium, Global" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to join_mtc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Makarand Joshi +919422805719 -- MTC GLOBAL- Educate, Empower, Elevate --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Management Teachers Consortium, Global" group. 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"Virendra Goel" <goel.virendra@gmail.com>: Feb 22 09:46AM +0530 How many practicing teachers have feel of the challenges faced by individuals on shop floor and different working conditions ? How Many faculty members are connected to the dynamics of world economics and challenges ahead? Why teachers are seeking jobs elsewhere after their retirement? Simply questioning and raising objections is not going to achieve anything. Important is when we deny one proposal, we also have an alternative proposal. Regards Virendra Goel From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p v s sai Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 1:42 AM To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders askvarsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders Dear members, I have been closely reading the mails of various members regarding eligibility to be appointed as faculty in managment institutes. I agree that there should be theoretical as well as practical knowledge for the appointment as faculty. Following are some of the points for which I seek clarification. 1. Why the so called industry experts are willing to join academics after their retirement? Why can't it be during the early part of their career? 2. How many industry experts regularly publish research papers in reputed journals during the early part of their career if they have passion for research and teaching? 3. How many of them have patience to regularly go to class, teach and evaluate student performance? I feel that these so called experts are looking at academics as a second innings game. They also come with an intention to relax and claim salary/pension from the educational institutions. This I am confirming with my personal observation as a senior Professor in Management. Prof. Sai Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone _____ From: "Virendra Goel" <goel.virendra@gmail.com> Sender: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:40:28 +0530 To: <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders askvarsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders My own experience is that Industry has no hesitation to allow students and faculty from higher education to their premises provided they are not asked to bear any financial responsibility and students/faculty coming to them are self learners. Regards Virendra Goel From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. A N SHANKAR Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:58 PM To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders askvarsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders MEmbers I would like to share with you my concern over the INDUSTRY ACADEMIC INTERFACE Its not only that Industry shall be invited to share its eperience As a Social Responsibility in the interest of the Future INDUSTRY Shall also invite academicians Depute them of course with no Stipends Allow the academicians to observe and feel the need of the hour If the industry remains busy maximisaiton of wealth without foreseeing the need of Future HR Ourselves pondering upon the issue is baseless. Such a deputation of Academicians may be on paid basis from the Academic Institution Same shall be rotated amongst each member of faculty from time to time at regular intervals. 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I am sure our education system is robust to determine whether an industry person possess basic domain knowledge throuugh his education system that he/ she had qualified earlier. He/ she needs to update with current domain knowledge regularly (though more theoretical than empirical) if they want to join and survive in academic mainstream. No body would hesitate to qualify any examination like UGC-Net. But perhaps, it is like telling a practicing doctor/ engineer/ professional who also research interests and can also teach effectively , to qualify again for a current MBBS/ B.Tech / MBA/ CA degree respectively! I wonder, and I am sorry to observe that in this forum the a large section of esteemed academic fraternity who haven't had any industry experience , never talks of going through any kind industry internships to update themselves. Rather than welcoming people from industry, and encouraging mutual peer-to-peer learning , they would suggest ways of restricting them! It is this very reason, that people from industry are reluctant to join academics and those who join are not allowed to effectively contribute and grow! Ultimately, it is the feedback from the main stakeholders, that is students, which matters as to who has basic domain knowledge or not, and who can deliver experiential knowledge or not! There is a huge reluctance from the academic fraternity domain that is resisting these feedback systems to be effectively implemented, to which industry people are used to for learning and improvements. I request the MHRD and UGC to note the above aspects and create conditions to correct them, and put them into action. Request your kind views on them! regards, Dr.P.S.Raychaudhuri New Delhi > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Management Teachers Consortium, Global" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to join_mtc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com <mailto:join_mtc%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com> . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- MTC GLOBAL- Educate, Empower, Elevate --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Management Teachers Consortium, Global" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to join_mtc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- MTC GLOBAL- Educate, Empower, Elevate --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Management Teachers Consortium, Global" group. 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PRADIP BURMAN RAY <pburmanray@gmail.com>: Feb 22 09:30AM +0530 A very interesting discussion is on. I am in full agreement with Dr. Ray Choudhury. If you consider what is a 'thesis or a dissertation', the answer would probably be 'a new approach to a problem or a newly found problem for solving the same'. In industry the Managers are faced with problems everyday and they have to find out unique methods to solve them. Very rarely the problems are repeated. The Industry Managers, as such are continuously learning and the experience they gain over the years can, to my views, be equated to a Doctorate Degree. Further the objective of Management Education is primarily to build Industry leaders ( not Management Professors) and the future Industry leaders need the coaching of persons who are or have been in Industry. In other countries we find the leaders of Industry / politics often swap their roles with those in teaching. Even in our neighboring countries, the foreign ministers and the UN representatives are with teaching background and are very successful as teachers. Regards PRADIP BURMAN RAY ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "prithvishankar" <psray61@hotmail.com> Date: Feb 21, 2015 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [MTC Global] Industry experience in academics=UGC NET holders ask varsities to end practice to appoint non NET PhD holders To: "join_mtc@googlegroups.com" <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> Cc: Dear Esteemed members, |
VIJAYA BHASKAR Kolur <kolurvijaya@gmail.com>: Feb 22 12:18PM +0530 Added to the conversation the people who have industrial experience half of their industrial experienced is considered for teaching experience. It happened with mine I had 7 yes in bank and 11 years in insurance industry. Many colleges told only we can consider 9 yrs and my post graduation was distance mode so it was reduced to 5 yes. But I can challenge the experienced person can give lot of inputs caselaws and related examples in the class. |
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