Re: [MTC Global] Amartya Sen: India can't become a global economic power with an uneducated, unhealthy workforce

Thanks Prof.   Your statement is true:
"without things like productivity, innovation, quality, can we compete globally?"

The Indian history of the past 67 years does not corroborate the truth.

Regards,

Dr. P H Waghodekar, PhD (Egg), IIT,KGP, IE&M, 1985,
Advisor (HR), IBS & PME (PG)
Marathwada Institute of Technology,
NH 211, Beed by pass road,
Aurangabad: 431010 (Maharashtra) INDIA.
(O) 02402375113 (M) 7276661925
E-Mail: waghodekar@rediffmail.com
Website: www.mit.asia
and
Chairman, Advisory Board, MTC Global, Bangalore.


Engineering & Management Education: An Engine of Prosperity.
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From: Surjyabrat Buragohain <surjyaibs@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:14:47
To: "join_mtc@googlegroups.com" <join_mtc@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Amartya Sen: India can't become a global economic power with an uneducated, unhealthy workforce

I think we are digressing from the real issues.Issue is not about NRIs returning to India.

The real issues are -

1. Can India derive demographic dividend from a population who are not equipped with the threshold knowledge and skills? Does the workforce in India possess competences which are required to take the country and its economy to a position where we are undoubted global leader and eradicate poverty from our country?

2. Do we have the infrastructure, institutions and the right climate for imparting the knowledge, skills and competences to our youth which are at least at par with the global standards, if not, path breaking to set a standard for next practices?

If we cannot equip out youth with the threshold KSAs, can India reach the top? Therefore,is 'Make in India's fate linked with the ability of our nation to build a capable workforce? Because without things like productivity, innovation, quality, can we compete globally?

Regards

Surjyabrat Buragohain

On 29-Nov-2015, at 9:28 AM, "Virendra Goel" <goel.virendra@gmail.com> wrote:

Though this is the truth. But we have also to realize that when people do not see opportunity in the country to use their talent they look for place where they can use it. So many students who are going abroad paying hefty fees and living a miserly life till they start earning – they have to take care of paying back their loans that is not possible by working in the country. Having worked for few years in developed environment they find it difficult to get a respectable job in the country. Let me quote you a real example. My Brother-in-law is a cardiologist settled in USA having an annual practice of three million dollars. When he was having a practice of one million dollar, he visited the country for three consecutive years going around the country to all private and public hospitals who had facilities to make use of his expertise but none of them could offer him a suitable opening and he did not have enough money to build a hospital hence he finally settled in USA. He is an active Indian in the community investing lot of time and money to establish Indian culture and values among the children of parents of Indian Origin as also among people of other origins living there.

 

Recently a couple (both practicing doctors) moved to Indore to establish a hospital. They put in all their savings in the project and were here for three years. During this time they were so frustrated with the state of affairs (Their 15 years old son was also murdered by a peon simply because he was not given an employment as he was not found fit) that they sold out everything incurring huge losses and went back to UK.

 

Now who is responsible for his not coming back to India?

Regards

Virendra Goel

 

From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Prabhakar Waghodekar
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 11:48 PM
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Amartya Sen: India can't become a global economic power with an uneducated, unhealthy workforce

 

Our invaluable universal truth not understood by other countries is:

Use the national resources, get trained and serve the global by  taking their citizenship  rather than being a miser, nation focused. Is it not the real Indian style of globalisation?

Regards,

Dr. P H Waghodekar, PhD (Egg), IIT,KGP, IE&M, 1985,
Advisor (HR), IBS & PME (PG)
Marathwada Institute of Technology,
NH 211, Beed by pass road,
Aurangabad: 431010 (Maharashtra) INDIA.
(O) 02402375113 (M) 7276661925
E-Mail: waghodekar@rediffmail.com
Website: www.mit.asia
and
Chairman, Advisory Board, MTC Global, Bangalore.


Engineering & Management Education: An Engine of Prosperity.
Classroom teaching must match with Boardroom needs!


From: Nabi Rasool <rasool.phd@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:27:55
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Amartya Sen: India can't become a global economic power with an uneducated, unhealthy workforce

Good morning to all professionals

I Dr D Nabirasool, Indian people have the abilities to change the India, it is proved that with this examples, in NASA 30% of the scientist are Indians, In MNCs 20-30 percent workforce are Indians, at one point time Microsoft founder Mr Bilgates said his company is running on Indian people, if no indians in this company it will be lose its credential. Similarly if you take google ceo Mr Sunderpichai, He invented the Goodl crome and Andriod tools but patent owned by American company like that so many talented persons gone for the different countries and serving them and making those countries developed/rich, because those countries providing all facilities to them, here Indian government not providing not retaining them, so we need to think as a Indian we are studding peoples money in IITs, NITs IIITs and IIM then we are selling the our knowledge and time to other countries. Indian government have to think to retain the talents providing better facilities and making the policy to those who studied in the national institutes they need to utilize their knowledge to the development of a country over a period of time. According to my point of view government has to take care of Education and health to provide all without considering religion and casts, because these are the basic needs for every one, these will not change based on the religion.

With Regard

Dr. D Nabirasool

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On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Prabhakar Waghodekar <waghodekar@rediffmail.com> wrote:

"A few pockets of excellence such as IITs, IIMs are not enough to transform India into a super power".

This is but obvious.

From: Kuldeep Nagi <kuldeepn@hotmail.com>
Sent: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:06:56
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Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Amartya Sen: India can't become a global economic power with an uneducated, unhealthy workforce

To become a world power universities need to create an environment that promotes free thinking, promotes creativity, research and innovation. The universities need to create a culture in which they are driven intellectual pursuits. This will require lots of money and resources. 

 

At this time most Indian universities are like teaching factories. Let us not forget that a large number of universities in the North are infested with party politics and Goonda Raj. Politicians have poisoned the academia which has led to poor quality of education. There are universities in UP, Bihar and MP where professors are intimidated, beaten up and murdered. India cannot become a super power, let alone becoming an economic power in this century. More than 60% of youth in India are still struggling to find a suitable job. 

 

It is very true that those parents who have money and resources will continue to send their children abroad. And those who are really smart already know that India's cultural comforts are not enough. Hence such a group will keep seeking better job opportunities and life abroad. Bringing out the best in young people requires a vibrant academic. It also requires a competitive work environment. Unfortunately, such environments are missing in most universities. A few pockets of excellence such as IITs, IIMs are not enough to transform India into a super power. 

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:18:57 -0800
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Amartya Sen: India can't become a global economic power with an uneducated, unhealthy workforce
From: nvjayaraman2002@gmail.com
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com

Dear Sir

 

Your point is very true.The youth of India are least interested in developing their skills which is evident during any interview that only 10% of the applicants become eligible for appointment.

With this poor show no body can think of India becoming a super power.It can be super in supplying real brains to other countries only .

 

Regards

 

Dr N V Jayaraman BE MBA PGDM PhD

Former Director Anna University

Management Consultant

Coimbatore

nvjayaraman2002@gmail.com

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Prof. Bholanath Dutta <bnath.dutta@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,
Very Good Morning.

The situation was different during that time and across the world education was at low level.

Today , the business dynamic is different in knowledge economy . Education and related skill sets are the drivers.

We see renewed efforts toward skill development in India and if education gets the same push , things may change for better in near future.

The statement of Dr. Amartya Sen  holds some merit with the argument given in the present context.

High Regards.
Bholanath

Prof. Bholanath Dutta
Founder & President: MTC Global
An Apex Global Advisory Body in Management Education
+91 96323 18178
www.mtcglobal.org
president@mtcglobal.org

On Nov 26, 2015 9:43 AM, Virendra Goel <goel.virendra@gmail.com> wrote:

In 17^th Century when we had 27% share of world trade, how much workforce was educated how many people knew any foreign language if that is the criteria of Dr. Amartya Sen. If we look at the shop floor of our manufacturing units, our uneducated workers know more that our engineers. In textile industry, there is a very interesting practice to which I have been witness for many years; whenever a new technical boss arrives at the shop floor, the worker creates some kind of glitch in the machine and surrenders that he doesn't know what and how things have gone wrong and how to set it right. The action and achievement of the said engineer at this point decides how much respect, obedience and co-operation he is going to get from the workers.

Regards

Virendra Goel

 

From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com [mailto:join_mtc@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Prabhakar Waghodekar
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:59 AM
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Cc: Rajendra Deshpande
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Amartya Sen: India can't become a global economic power with an uneducated, unhealthy workforce

 

Dear All,

In the 17th Century India had international market share about 27% (when Adam Smith (1723-90) and Thomas Macaulay (1800-59) were just emerging),  whole Europe and US combined was 21%, in 1947 we had roughly 2% and today after 68 years of independence it is hardly 1%.

What are the reasons? We have isolated knowledge, attitude and skills. There is nothing surprising that advanced countries make us to dream as emerging super economic power, the youngest country, demographic advantage, etc., naturally with hidden agenda. When our Kings of Princely States used to visit UK, British workers used to be damn happy because the King used to give them  a tip of several pounds! Agarkar was pleading social revolution first and then country's freedom. Sister  Nivedita has written a century ago that Indian parents mind-set is:  the only objective of education is earning more money.

Instead of focusing on mass-education or literacy and agricultural sector we embraced something different. Our elite class is happy to get good education and jobs in foreign countries, on the plea that India is unable to provide us the conducive climate. Is it a real path to make India a global country? Whom we are serving? Under such circumstances no party can turn up side down, even after a decade.

A  heavy stroke/impact cannot be generated by a  soft hand!

Regards,

Dr. P H Waghodekar, PhD (Egg), IIT,KGP, IE&M, 1985,
Advisor (HR), IBS & PME (PG)
Marathwada Institute of Technology,
NH 211, Beed by pass road,
Aurangabad: 431010 (Maharashtra) INDIA.
(O) 02402375113 (M) 7276661925
E-Mail: waghodekar@rediffmail.com
Website: www.mit.asia
and
Chairman, Advisory Board, MTC Global, Bangalore.


Engineering & Management Education: An Engine of Prosperity.
Classroom teaching must match with Boardroom needs!


From: Rajendra Deshpande <gandhianthought.cug@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:46:15
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Amartya Sen: India can't become a global economic power with an uneducated, unhealthy workforce

Very true.

Lot of hype is being created about India being super power.

We need to address to the fundamentals first.

 

1. All experts claim about demographic advantage of India that

60 % of our population is young .

But what is its quality? what is its Productivity?

 

2. Our exports are declining even at previous levels our share in International Trade

is not even 1 %

 

3. Our share in world tourism as well is also much below 1%

 

These two factors are the main and important determinants of any nation

looking for high growth . The competitiveness of any nation depends on

its exports and its share in International trade and Share in Tourism.

Why Tourism ? Because tourism is always at the apex of Industrial growth

and capability Indicator . Normally When tourism is good all other things in a country

on other indicators are taken care off automatically .

Good tourism share is indicator of Good infrastructure,Facilities,

Hospitality ,Overall economy,Capability and efficiency of people.

Tourism is soft and invisible industry /Business. Requires lot many factors

for success.tourism alone can employ millions of youth in this nation.

 

Thanks for raising this topic.

 

Rajendra Deshpande.

 

.

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Prof. Bholanath Dutta <bnath.dutta@gmail</bnath.dutta@.com> wrote:

On Nov. 6, Nobel laureate Amartya Sen visited the London School of Economics (LSE) to discuss his new collection of cultural essays,Country of First Boys. Before taking the stage in the packed Old Theatre, Sen spoke to Sonali Campion and Taryana Udayar of the South Asia @ LSE blog about the Indian government's approach to development, Kerala as a model for universal education and healthcare in India, and his faith in democracy.

Q: You have said that looking at the end point of a debate is not an ideal way of understanding the wider discussion. This seems relevant in relation to economic policy today, where developing countries aspire to high and continuous growth. What's your view on the current Indian government's manner of pursuing growth?

Sen:Let me make a clarification first. The point about the end point not being the only issue asks what were the counter arguments that were considered? What were the different points of view that may or may not have been aired, even if the end point is correct? That only becomes relevant when you agree with the end point. In the case of the policy as it stands now, that is not the case. I think the end point is wrong. The argumentation process is wrong as well, but there are two distinct issues here.

India is the only country in the world which is trying to become a global economic power with an uneducated and unhealthy labour force. It's never been done before, and never will be done in the future either. There is a reason why Europe went for universal education, and so did America. Japan, after the Meiji restoration in 1868, wanted to get fully literate in 40 years and they did. So did South Korea after the war, and Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and China.

The whole idea that you could somehow separate out the process of economic growth from the quality of the labour force is a mistake against which Adam Smith warned in 1776. It's an ancient danger, and he might have been right to think that the British government at the time did not pay sufficient interest in basic education for all. Unfortunately, that applies today to the government of India as well. It doesn't acknowledge the relevance of the quality of human labour.

That is the foundation of their mistake, their conclusions, therefore, are wrong. For example, they are trying to go suddenly for everything to be done by cash, which is meant to be an experiment. In one of his first interviews after winning the Nobel Prize this year, Angus Deaton said this is purely an experiment, but it's an experiment with the lives of the poor.

And I'm afraid I agree with him, and his scepticism towards it. There was a reason why someone as intensely keen on the market economy as Adam Smith thought the government has to make the country fully literate, this is something the government can do. America is meant to be very anti-government, but every American has a right to primary school education paid for by the government, you're picked up from your home by government buses, delivered to your state school and educated there.

India is trying to be different from America, Europe, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, China—all of them. This