Re: [MTC Global] Our (Indian) Ph. D. theses should be vetted by a randomly chosen professor from a developed country

Dear all,

In order to improve the quality of Ph.D work in leading universities in
India, the following process may be considered one of the best
procedures:

1. There should be a proposal defense before the candidate is formally
registered for Ph.D topic. This defense should include Tentative topic,
research problem and questions, objectives, hypotheses and literature
review, in addition to methodology and bibliography. Two internal
examiners and chairperson should be in the committee. The defense
presentation is open, mostly faculty and research scholars. Once the
committee is satisfied with the defense by giving suitable comments and
suggestions, the candidate should be formally registered. Before that the
registration is provisional.

2. There should be Work completion defense following the same above
procedure. The committee gives the Ph.D student time period in which
he/she can submit the thesis after incorporating the necessary suggestions
and comments.
This is all clear signal for formal submission of the thesis.

3. Two examiners should be appointed to adjudicate the thesis, one
national and another from foreign countries i.e. developed or developing
countries, not from Nepal or Bangladesh or Sri Lanka because in India,
many examiners are appointed from these countries termed as foreign
examiners.

4. The committee should review the comments and reports of both the
examiners. If necessary, then national examiner should be called for the
Viva voce and the Ph.D student should address all the
issues/comments.

Thanks
Prof P L Joshi Malaysia









On Wed, December 2, 2015 4:08 am, Dr.Appalayya Meesala wrote:
> The theses of Madras University and AMU stand out; they are of high
> standards. Of course, like these, there are some more universities and
> institutes whose PhD theses match the level of universities in developed
> countries. But the question is: how to replicate this model to the larger
> chunk?
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Prabhakar Waghodekar <
> waghodekar@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Usually the senate sends thesis within 2 months to the examiners. In my
>> case, thesis was submitted by the end of Feb 1985 and defence was
>> conducted in Oct 1985. The time can be drastically reduced (using the
>> principle of SMED), if a panel of examiners is suggested by the
>> Guide/Department
>> immediately after the last DSC meet. I had 3 International publications
>> and over 10 national publications/presentations before I could submit
>> my thesis. The foreign examiner (US) sent the assessment "Excellent"
>> within one month but the Indian Examiner took all long 6 moths.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Dr. P H Waghodekar, PhD (Egg), IIT,KGP, IE&M, 1985,
>> Advisor (HR), IBS & PME (PG)
>> Marathwada Institute of Technology,
>> NH 211, Beed by pass road,
>> Aurangabad: 431010 (Maharashtra) INDIA.
>> (O) 02402375113 (M) 7276661925
>> E-Mail: waghodekar@rediffmail.com
>> Website: www.mit.asia
>> and Chairman, Advisory Board, MTC Global, Bangalore.
>>
>>
>>
>> Engineering & Management Education: An Engine of Prosperity.
>> Classroom teaching must match with Boardroom needs!
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "'bbmansuri' via Management Teachers Consortium, Global" <
>> join_mtc@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:57:13
>> To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Our (Indian) Ph. D. theses should be vetted by
>> a randomly chosen professor from a developed country Sir,
>> This practice is already followed by many universities in India. I know
>> about Aligarh Muslim University,Aligarh where I work as Research Guide
>> that three Indian Examiners and three Foreign Examiners (not Indian)
>> panel is submitted and one examiner from Domestic as well as
>> International is
>> approved by the Vice-Chancellor to adjucate the Ph.D thesis of candidate
>> .
>> Finally open Viva-voce by Indian Examiner.
>> The process is good but takes too much time ranging from Six month to
>> One
>> year and ultimately candidate has to suffer much .
>>
>> Dr. B.B.Mansuri
>> Professor of Accounting
>> King Abdul Aziz Unversity, Jeddah
>> (K.S.A.)
>> (On E.O.L. from Aligarh Muslim University and Ph.D. Guide)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: "'thanikachalam vedhathiri' via Management Teachers Consortium,
>> Global" <join_mtc@googlegroups.com>
>> Date: 01/12/2015 17:39 (GMT+03:00)
>> To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Our (Indian) Ph. D. theses should be vetted by
>> a randomly chosen professor from a developed country
>>
>> Examiners of the Madras university:
>> The supervisor has to prepare a list three foreign examiners, three
>> Indian
>> Examiners and three Examiners within the Southern Region.
>> The list has to be approved by the Doctoral Committee.
>> To get a list of three foreign examiners, the supervisor has to search
>> for the specialists through the internet. Around 60 examiners has be
>> contacted. Finally, three leading professors have to be placed in the
>> panel. The university would send the synopsis to one of them and get
>> his/her acceptance. The process is free from the bias. Normally, Indian
>> origin examiners are not accepted by the university. The university also
>> verifies the background of the examiners through the Internet. One Indian
>> examiner would be selected out of three Indian examiners similarly.
>> These two evaluate and adjudicate the thesis. The Examiner from
>> the region would be invited for the conduct of public viva-voce.
>> Thanikachalam.V
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Prabhakar Waghodekar <waghodekar@rediffmail.com>
>> *To:* "join_mtc@googlegroups.com" <join_mtc@googlegroups.com>
>> *Cc:* "ashishpanat@gmail.com" <ashishpanat@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2015 8:42 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [MTC Global] Our (Indian) Ph. D. theses should be vetted
>> by a randomly chosen professor from a developed country
>>
>> See the attachments for the proposed solutions.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Dr. P H Waghodekar, PhD (Egg), IIT,KGP, IE&M, 1985,
>> Advisor (HR), IBS & PME (PG)
>> Marathwada Institute of Technology,
>> NH 211, Beed by pass road,
>> Aurangabad: 431010 (Maharashtra) INDIA.
>> (O) 02402375113 (M) 7276661925
>> E-Mail: waghodekar@rediffmail.com
>> Website: www.mit.asia
>> and Chairman, Advisory Board, MTC Global, Bangalore.
>>
>>
>>
>> Engineering & Management Education: An Engine of Prosperity.
>> Classroom teaching must match with Boardroom needs!
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Ashish Panat <ashishpanat@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:15:57
>> To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Our (Indian) Ph. D. theses should be vetted by
>> a randomly chosen professor from a developed country My humble appeal to
>> friends, it shall be in larger interest for Learned people to restrain
>> from generalizing the localised assessment results about education
>> standards in India and shall it be better to suggest solutions
>> independent of so called developed country's professors in general?
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2015 6:51 AM, "Prabhakar Waghodekar"
>> <waghodekar@rediffmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Prof. Appalayya Meesala has rightly pointed out "The research quality
>> of Indian universities is apparently crying for immediate attention and
>> a makeover". The quality of outcome depends on how the inputs are
>> processed. Process needs to be goal focused..
>>
>> Hence, first of all we have to fix goal (s) for research. In India our
>> research goal is mainly promotion (to enhance earning capacity) focused,
>> though there but a few islands that are pure development or knowledge
>> focussed.
>>
>> In fact quality research needs no assessment by the third party, but
>> such a reseach drags many followers!
>>
>>
>> pure om: "Dr.Appalayya Meesala" <ameesala@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, 27 Nov
>> 2015 10:24:00
>> To: join_mtc <join_mtc@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: [MTC Global] Our (Indian) Ph. D. theses should be vetted by a
>> randomly chosen professor from a developed country The research quality
>> of Indian universities is apparently crying for immediate attention and
>> a makeover, as evidenced by poor international rankings that our
>> universities get. With a proper strategy in place, research quality
>> should be brought on par with that of the developed countries.
>>
>> A regulatory body should randomly pick up degree-awarded theses of our
>> universities and send them for examination by a foreign professor who
>> should be randomly chosen. The university should not be allowed to
>> choose an examiner on its own since such selection can be self-serving,
>> as we are seeing; for example, the foreign professors to whom our
>> universities are sending theses for examination are just descendants of
>> our own system and they are just a part of 'mutual admiration' cliche.
>> They don't critique the
>> theses objectively, obviously because they too are a products of the
>> same system.
>>
>> India should maintain a large of panel of foreign professors ( also
>> some Indian professors too from reputed institutes of India) who should
>> be randomly assigned with examining the quality of theses produced by
>> Indian
>> universities.
>>
>> There are of course some good universities in India too which maintain
>> good research standards but they are just islands.
>>
>> India should come out of this sad pickle wherein Ph Ds are just capable
>> of working as clerks, attendants, entry level jobs only. --
>>
>>
>>
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> *Prof. Appalayya Meesala, Ph. D.*
> Director
> Dr. B. R. Ambedkar Institute of Management & Technology
> Baghlingampally
> Hyderabad- 500044
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