Re: Fwd: United Nations office of Legal Affairs

Could someone search out the Lake Chad to Yola part of the border?

STILL CUT DEN OF LIONS BY NTEMFAC OFEGE

UNDER EDIT AND SOURCES STILL TO BE ATTRIBUTED

Border Treaties

A 1913 Anglo-German Treaty respecting the settlement of the frontier between the British territory of Nigeria and the German territory of Kamerun from Lake Chad to the sea. That territorially grounded treaty has remained the instrument defining the international boundary between Nigeria and the British Southern Cameroons.

The 1916, Anglo-French Treaty (the Milner-Simon Declaration) defined the international boundary between the British Cameroons and French Cameroun.

The division of the Cameroons into spoils of war by the victorious European nations was formally recognized in International Law on June 28, 1919, when France and Britain compelled the Germans to sign a protocol under article 119 of the Treaty of Versailles of June 28, 1919 renouncing all their rights to the territory of Kamerun.

This frontier was finally demarcated by the 1919 "Description of the Franco-British Frontier signed by Viscount Milner and Henry Simon; and the 1931 Declaration made by the Graeme Thomas and Marchand Gouverneur, Commissaire de la République Française au Cameroun both governors of Nigeria and French Cameroun."

Internationally Treated Boundary between the UN State of the Southern Cameroons and French Cameroun 

An Anglo-French Declaration was signed on July 10, 1919 in Paris by Viscount Milner M. Simon legally sealing the delineation of the border dividing this former German Protectorate into two parts.

This international frontier between Southern Cameroons and La Republique du Cameroun was finally demarcated by the 1919 "Description of the Franco-British Frontier signed by Viscount Milner and Henry Simon; and the 1931 Declaration made by the Graeme Thomas and Marchand Gouverneur, Commissaire de la République Française au Cameroun both governors of Nigeria and French Cameroun."

Internationally Treated Boundary between the Southern Cameroons and French Cameroun 

Extracted from:

Declaration Made by the governor of the Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria and the governor of the French Cameroons defining the Boundary between British and French Cameroons

The undersigned:

Sir Graeme Thomson, G.C.M.G., K.C.B., governor of the Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria.

Dated 9 January 1931. 

 (Treaty Series No. 34 (1931) [Cmd. 3936])

Exchange of Notes between His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom and the French Government respecting the Boundary between British and French Cameroons.

NOTE: 1-75 defines French Cameroun and British Northern Cameroons boundary, which by the Plebiscite Treaty joined Nigeria as per UN Resolution 1608 of April 21, 1961!

(76) Thence a line parallel to the Koubokam-Koutopi path on its northern side until the stream Moinum (Banso) or Ketchouperin (Bamun) is reached, thus leaving the Koubokam-Koutopi path wholly in French territory.

(77) Thence the stream Ketchouperin or Moinun until its junction with the River Moinun (Banso and Bamun) or Upper Nun.

(78) Thence the Moinun to its junction with the River Nun.

(79) Thence the River Nun to its junction with the River Ngwanonsia or Chawnga or Chawga.

(80) Thence the River Ngwanonsia upstream to the point where it is crossed by the Nkwefu-Bambalang Road.

(81) Thence a line westwards through the swamp to the northern extremity of the Island of Nkwefu (an elder of the Bagam village of Fombefu).

(82) Thence a line westwards through the swamp to the point where the Fombefu-Nkwefu path cuts the River Ta or Tantam.

(83) Thence the River Tantam upstream to its confluence with the River Sefu or Mekango.

(84) Thence the River Sefu upstream to its source.

(85) Thence a line south-westwards to the apex of the large isolated rock called Ngoma Fominyam.

(86) Thence a line southwards to the source of the River Webinga near point 1300 in Moisel's map and to the east of it.

(87) Thence the River Webinga to its confluence with the Mbonso (Bali-Bagam) or Momogo (Bagam).

(88) Thence the River Mbonso to its confluence with the River Mifi.

(89) Thence the River Mifi upstream to its confluence with the River Mogo or Dochi.

(90) Thence the River Mogo upstream to its confluence with the stream Dugum (Bali-Bagam) or Mousete-Fontchili (Bagam), which is slightly above where the Bagam-Bali-Bagam road crosses the River Mogo.

(91) Thence the stream Dugum to its source which is marked by a cairn of stones on the eastern side of Mount Ngenkoa (Bali-Bagam) or Koungo (Bagam).

(92) Thence a line to a cairn of stones at the top of the defile between Mount Ngenkoa in the south and Mount Tabira (Bali-Bagam) or Koumenou (Bagam) in the north.

(93) Thence a line to the bend in the River Bingwa (Bali-Bagam) or Seporo (Bagam), about 60 yards from the above-mentioned cairn.

(94) Thence the River Bingwa to its confluence with the River Mifi.

(95) Thence the River Mifi upstream to its confluence with the River Kongwong.

(96) Thence the River Kongwong upstream to its junction with the River Tooloo or Ntoulou.

(97) Thence the River Tooloo to a cairn at the top of the water-fall about 1 kilometre above the confluence of the Rivers Tooloo and Kongwong.

(98) Thence a straight line on a magnetic bearing of 130º to the summit of a circular peak immediately to the north of the defile Zemembi, through which passes the Babadju-Bapinyi path.

(99) Thence the line of heights overlooking to the east the vale of Babadju and to the west the valley of the Meso to the peak Asimi, where this line of heights ends.

(100) Thence a straight line to the centre of the marsh shown on Moisel's map as Mbetscho and called Kifi by the natives of Babinyi, and Tchinbintcho by those of Babadju.

(101) Thence the crest of the watershed between the Cross River on the west and the River Noun on the east to a beacon in the centre of a small area of forest named Mepong about 400 Metres south-east of Mount Lekonkwe or Etchemtankou on the crest of the watershed.

(102) Thence the stream Tantchempong, which has its source about 25 metres south-west of the above-mentioned beacon, to its confluence with the stream Mintchemecharlee.

(103) Thence the stream Mintchemecharlee upstream to the point where it most nearly reaches two small rocks named To-lezet which mark the boundary between the villages of Fossong Elelen and Fongo Tongo on the road between those villages.

(104) Thence a line passing through the two rocks named Tole-zet to the source of the stream Monchenjemaw or Montchi Zemo.

(105) Thence this stream to its confluence with the stream Munchisemor or Montchi Zemoua, which has its source about 50 metres west of the largest of the three rocks called Melogo-malee or Melegomele.

(106) Thence the stream Munchisemor to its source.

(107) Thence a line passing through the centre of the largest of the three rocks called Melogomalee to the source of the stream Monchita or Montchi Monie, about 100 metres south-south- east of the above-named rock.

(108) Thence the stream Monchita to its confluence with the River Bamig.

(109) Thence the River Bamig upstream to its source on a forest-covered hill called Nkenchop (the point where the River Bamig crosses the Dschang-Fontem Road is marked by a beacon).

(110) Thence a line through the crest of the hill Nkenchop to the crest of a forest-covered hill called Siambi.

(111) Thence a straight line to a beacon placed on the watershed at a point known as Ntchoumgomo.

(112) Thence a line following the crest of the watershed between the Cross River on the west and the River Nkam on the east through the summits of Mounts Ngome and Jomen to the summit of Mount Wenmen.

(113) Thence a straight line running south-south-west to join the River Ngwe.

(114) Thence the River Ngwe for a distance of 3 kilometres to its affluent, the stream Liplo.

(115) Thence the stream Liplo to a point 500 metres west of the Moangekam-Lo track.

(116) Thence a line running parallel with this track and 500 metres west of it, until this line reaches the crest of Mount Njimba.

(117) Thence a line along the crest of Mount Njimba to its summit, which lies to the west of the French village of Moangekam.

(118) Thence a line through the summit of Mount Ngokela to the plain of Elung, leaving the Muanya compound of Nyan in British territory.

(119) Thence a track cut across the plain and marked with posts so as to leave the village of Nyan in British territory and the village of Po-Wassum in French territory, until this track reaches the stream Edidio.

(120) Thence this stream until it is crossed by the Poala-Muangel track.

(121) Thence a line running south-south- west along the summit of Mount Manenguba to the ridge surrounding the basin of the lakes.

(122) Thence a curved line along the eastward side of the ridge until the point where the Muandon-Poala track crosses the ridge.

(123) Thence the Muandon-Poala track in a westerly direction down the slopes of Mount Hahin and Mount Ebouye until it reaches the River Mbe.

(124) Thence the River Mbe which runs parallel with Mount Mueba, until a line of cairns and posts is reached.

(125) Thence this line of cairns and posts, which marks the boundary between the French villages of Muaminam (Grand Chef Nsasso) and the English villages of the Bakossi tribe (District Head Ntoko) and the Ninong tribe (district Head Makege), to the point where an unnamed tributary from the North joins the River Eko.

(126) Thence a line touching the two westernmost points of the boundary of the former German plantation of Ngoll to the crest of Mount Elesiang.

(127) Thence along the crest of Mount Elesiang to the northern-most point of the tobacco plantation of Nkolankote.

(128) Thence a line running south-south- west along Mount Endon, so as to leave the plantation of Nkolankote in French territory and the plantation of Essosung in British territory, to the summit of Mount Coupe.

(129) Thence a straight line running south-south- west to a cairn of stones on the Lum-Ngab Road at a point 6,930 metres along this road from the railway track.

(130) Thence a straight line in a south-westerly direction to the source of the River Bubu.

(131) Thence the River Bubu to a point 1,200 metres down-stream from a place called Muanjong Farm.

(132) Thence in a straight line in a westerly direction to the source of the River Ediminjo.

(133) Thence the River Ediminjo to its confluence with the River Mungo.

(134) Thence the River Mungo to the point in its mouth where it meets the parallel 4º 2" 3" north.

(135) Thence this parallel of latitude westwards so as to reach the coast south of Tauben Island.

(136) Thence a line following the coast, passing south of Reiher Island to Mokola Creek, thus leaving the whole of the Moewe See in British territory.

(137) Thence a line following the eastern banks of the Mokola, Mbakwele, Njubanan-Jau, and Matumal creeks, and cutting the mouths of the Mbossa-Bombe, Mikanje, Tende, Victoria and other unnamed creeks to the junction of Matumal and Victoria creeks.

(138) Thence a line running 35º west of true south to the Atlantic Ocean.

Signed:          

GRAEME THOMSON, governor of the Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria.

MARCHAND Gouverneur, Commissaire de la République française au Cameroun.

However, the British also partitioned the portion of the former German colony under their jurisdiction into the British Southern and the British Northern Cameroons. They attached both territories to Nigeria and ran it from Lagos.

This territorial delimitation was confirmed by the League of Nations in 1922 when the two territories were separately placed under the Mandates system. The British Southern Cameroons and the British Northern Cameroons now became the British Cameroons.

In 1931, the League of Nations requested Britain and France to landmark the international boundary between the British Cameroons and French Cameroun. So on January 9, 1931, the "Cameroons boundary Commission" met in London. Under the League of Nations afflatus, administrators of the British Cameroons and those of French Cameroun, land marked the international boundary by building concrete cement pillar marks along the boundary: each landmark was the object of a specific topographic document that was co-signed by the Administrators of both countries.

The 1954 British Order in Council (Definition of Boundaries Proclamation) finally settled the boundary between the Eastern regions of Nigeria and the UN State of the Southern Cameroons.

In fine, the Southern Cameroons is sandwiched between Nigeria and La Republique du Cameroun like a wedge between West Africa and what in effect is still French Equatorial Africa. It has frontiers to the west and north with Nigeria, to the east with La Republique du Cameroun, and to the south with the Equatorial Guinean Island of Bioko. The borders are well attested by many international boundary treaties. [1]

Prof Carlson Anyangwe surmises, the Territory that eventually became the Southern Cameroons was under British rule for 30 years (1858-1887), under Germany rule for 27 years (1887-1914), and then reverted to British rule for 46 years (1915-1961). During these latter years the Southern Cameroons was administered by Britain from 1915-1922 as territory conquered from an enemy power (Germany), from 1922-1946 as a Mandated Territory under the League of Nations, and from 1946-1961 as a United Nations Trust .[2]



[1] Anyangwe

[2]



On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 7:45 AM, 'JusticeMbuh' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:
I have responded to you i private but left out the following:
1. When God led me to uncover UN Res. 1608 and gave its interpretation, with bearings on Northern Cameroons, it was clear that we are one;
2. Ambazonia must now define her territorial boundary, given that Ambazonia means hinterlands of Ambas Bay, which could simply mean from Bimbia or from Ambas Bay to Lake Chad;
3. In Ambazonia's Challenge to the UN in 2007, following Ambazonia rejection of the Greentree Accord in 06, emphasis was on Southern Cameroons but a bearing was made on Northern Cameroons, in whose Gembu Territory I proposed Ambazonia should host AFRICOM to directly protect oppressed peoples in Africa;
4. Professor Chia is one of us and has never played down the accomplishments of any organization in this struggle. He has been called a mad man by many of our SCNC leaders, including but not limited to Ndangam, Nwancham, etc. Remember Fon Dinka too was called a mad man, Albert Mukong was called a mad man and when I returned from the states, I was also called a made man. It would appear to understand the direction to which things are going, AND MUST GO you need a degree of madness! However, when opportuned, I attend or acquire UNO workshop materials from downtown Abakwa. The current one has all details of anyone can aspire to know.. Its been sold for 25,000frs.
5. Do not forget that UN has re-mapped British Cameroons following the 1916 division of Kamerun and many chunks of land have to be taken back from LRC by Ambazonia includng but not limited to parts of Dschang, Nkong, Mbanga and Bonaberi!
Right now, I can smell freedom and know it when I smell it!
Justice Mbuh
 
THE LEGACY OF AMBAZONIA  (UN Trust Territory of British Cameroons): The Parliamentary Opposition, ...forged for itself a new role noteworthy for its dignity; and the government,..never attempted to withdraw...the legal recognition that was its due. Thanks to this...West Cameroon has won for itself the prestige of being the one place in West Africa (if not all of Africa) where democracy, in the British style, has lasted longest in its genuine form.  --Prof. Bernard Nsukika Fonlon, The Task of Today, p. 9



From: 'M A N' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
To: "ambasbay@googlegroups.com" <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 4:10 AM

Subject: Re: Fwd: United Nations office of Legal Affairs

There are facts to support your mail to Pa Zama, but there are some part of the mail your that I don't have clear facts or understanding about.

Yes, Ambazonia had long defined the struggle since 1985 and has won domestic and international victories. The question to answer is, is Ambazonia path way talking of British Cameroons as you stating below? Even the Ambazonian Abuja Case is not talking of British Cameroons. How come you are mixing the two? Please help me out.

When one of us write facts other come in to add more value to it to educate the masses. You fully well that most of them are completely empty of the Ambazonia path way or model, we should be conscious when writing.

It has taken us sustain effort to drive through the idea of a unique identity Ambazonia to sink into their heads. The second issue I was thinking of is the effort to make them know the importance of Restoration 84/01 since they are slow learners, I now read conflicting Union state from you, please help me understand it well.

Amos



From: 'JusticeMbuh' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016, 23:36
Subject: Re: Fwd: United Nations office of Legal Affairs

Pa Zama, you stated:
[[It is a courageous decision that we adapt the name Ambazonia. But we shouldn't forget that we still have issues to settle at the UN and at the International Court of Justice where our country is known as The Southern Cameroons and not Ambazonia. We still have a long way to go before we start clamouring for name change. As at now, let us work harder to achieve the long awaited self rule.
One thing is clear, we must all, I mean all without exception work towards this goal of self rule.--Pa Zama]]

So, how far did Western Sahara go before becoming Saharawi Republic?
What status, under international law did Southern Sudan have to be independent while Southern Cameroons is under recolonization?
Let us be careful how we view this cause--for, before SCNC, etc. came to being, Ambazonia set precedence  , defined this struggle and has provided ample reason why the name-change was necessary since 1985. With that name we have secured domestic and international victories and I am baffled that we are talking sterility here, instead of moving forward and adopting the name for the entire British Cameroons.
If any of you out there are dreaming of an independent Southern Cameroons as Ambazonia, rest assured the doors of such happening have been closed by the UN Secretariat.
To answer Ofege's question, again, our matter is not one for the General Assembly to decide. It is a matter for the UN Secretariate and as far as I know, the African Union has been put on alert about the re-birth of British Cameroons, (AKA Ambazonia, if I should infere).
The latest victory of Ambazonia was in the Abuja High Court which charged and rejected Cameroun  having misled international opinion by participating in the Greentree Accord. By that, Nigeria is dealing with Ambazonia over the matter.
Our case is complicated by the various in-house factional fighting, none of which shall ever be able to dismiss precesence set by Ambazonia. Our issue is also not about name or name-change but about our right to restoration of our sovereignty.
Let's all focus on that and support the Union State/Ambazonia legal and diplomatic sorties.
Thanks.
J.M. Mbuh

 
THE LEGACY OF AMBAZONIA  (UN Trust Territory of British Cameroons): The Parliamentary Opposition, ...forged for itself a new role noteworthy for its dignity; and the government,..never attempted to withdraw...the legal recognition that was its due. Thanks to this...West Cameroon has won for itself the prestige of being the one place in West Africa (if not all of Africa) where democracy, in the British style, has lasted longest in its genuine form.  --Prof. Bernard Nsukika Fonlon, The Task of Today, p. 9



From: 'Ofege Ntemfac' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 12:53 PM
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People,
Could someone, the lawyers, please explicate the following 02 documents to me?
I still fail to see how nations and states which do not have any inkling of a case as presented by Ambazonia could benefit from UN, UN Trusteeship Council and International Law foundations whereas Ambazonia does not.
I post as an interested party with family ties to the Northern British Cameroons.
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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On Friday, April 1, 2016 11:44 PM, 'Edwin' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:




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From: "'Pa Zama' via ambasbay" <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
Date: April 1, 2016 at 6:25:02 PM EDT
To: "ambasbay@googlegroups.com" <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: United Nations office of Legal Affairs
Reply-To: ambasbay@googlegroups.com

Dear All, 
,
It is a courageous decision that we adapt the name Ambazonia. But we shouldn't forget that we still have issues to settle at the UN and at the International Court of Justice where our country is known as The Southern Cameroons and not Ambazonia. We still have a long way to go before we start clamouring for name change. As at now, let us work harder to achieve the long awaited self rule.
One thing is clear, we must all, I mean all without exception work towards this goal of self rule.

Pa Zama   


On Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:27 AM, Njousi Abang <njousid@gmail.com> wrote:


Please,
I support the move to adopt and use Ambazonia as the name of our state. Chief Barister Taku has said it all. Thanks so much for the insight.
Njousi Abang

On 9 March 2016 at 23:19, Martin Tumasang <tumasangm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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I strongly agree with Chief Taku. We adopt the name AMBAZONIA for practical reasons to differentiate ourselves and move on.
 
Regards
 
Tumasang
 

To: ambazonianationalgroup@yahoogroups.com; ambasbay@googlegroups.com; ambaszone@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:03:45 +0000
Subject: Re: United Nations office of Legal Affairs

 
I strongly suggest that we should avoid a conjectural attempt to equivocate or draw conclusory opinions on legal opinions made on our case and or un substantiated interpretation of even UN documents. I and hopefully many other people, after careful consideration have advised and supported the use of the name Ambazonia to give our territory a distinct identity. This is not based on an interpretation of documents like the case at bar which may unintendedly breed confusion and harm the much desired unity and support for our cause. It is based on pratical commonsense considering the bad faith attempts of our adversary La Republique du Cameroun to use its own conflicting identity crisis to distract the much desire focus on our case. We are therefore anchoring our identity by adopting the name Ambazonia not because the name has a legal foundation but rather on an authentic historical and geographical justification based on our expression and assertion of a soveriegn right of self determination to do so.
The question at bar which has often been raised but wrongly considered is addressed by many distinguished authors, among them James Crawford " The Creation of States in International Law" Second Edition PP 336, 385 in which he discusses the case of the British Cameroons under UN Trusteeship. The question as Mola Njoh Litumbe and Professor Carlson Anyange have suscintly argued previously is that of the status of the people of the Southern Cameroons after the termination of the trust. The learned writer, citing several other cases, states that at the termination of the mandate, the administering authority had no right, indeed not even a residual right to hand over the territory to a third party state to annex or colonize. The residual power to ensure the exercise of the UN Charter right to eternal self determination reverts to the grantor of the trust, the UN and this rights is exercised by the General Assembly and by the Security Council. This right was never and has never been exercised in the case of the Southern Cameroons. The La Republique law annexing the territory even before the termination of the trust and the failure of the UN to supervise the termination of the trust and independence by joining or what ever so-called was a fundamental breach of International law and the UN Charter.
Chief C.Taku
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Subject: United Nations office of Legal Affairs
To: "yahoogroups" <ambazonianationalgroup@yahoogroups.com>, "Ambasbay" <ambasbay@googlegroups.com>, "yahoogroups" <ambaszone@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2016, 10:46 PM



Under Article 4

 



 


Click for
original document here if the text above is not
visibleUnited
Nations office of Legal Affairs

 

= = =
Please take special note of the first country
on the list is Cameroun and
bracket (Cameroon) with a
footnote 7. Then
read the footnote below and have your take. = = =


 

Footnote 7 -In accordance with G A Resolution
1608 (XV) endorsing the results of the separate plebiscites
conducted in the
northern and southern parts of the Cameroons under United
Kingdom
administration, the trusteeship status of Southern Cameroons
was terminated on
1 October 1961 upon its joining the Republic of Cameroun,
henceforth called the
Federal Republic of Cameroon comprising East Cameroon, i.e.,
formerly the
Territory of the Republic of Cameroun, and West Cameroon,
i.e., formerly the
Territory of the Southern Cameroons under United Kingdom
administration. See G
A (XVI/1), Plen., 1038th mtg.. paras. 15—20. Sec also this
Supplement under
Article 76.

 

= = =
Was British Southern
Cameroons independent in 1960? How come Resolution 1608XV
becoming a
footnote to Cameroun that had independence 1960? Could there
be a link to the French
Cameroun admission application letters to Security Council
from France on 20
JANUARY 1960, and that from Ahidjo on the 13 JANUARY I960 to
the secretary General that
mentioned or referred to the "State of the Cameroons"?
Was it not Cameruon that was
having independence at this time (1960)? Why most there be
confusion here and
there when it comes to Southern Cameroons? Is it because we
are just southern and the same Cameroons it does not matter?
Can we fixed what affects us? Yes, only if we have unity.
Cameroon Communication Issa
Tchiroma Bakary if I am not mistaken once said Cameroon made
only one
application at the UN. Could that have been the above
documents? We had our so
called independence in 1961 and not 1960, why footnote our
1608 (XV) to a
Cameroon that had independence without us?

What
borders me is that, all these mixed up are being recorded in
international legal arenas. Will it one day set
legal precedence given our care-free attitude towards what
affects us? = = =
MANAmbazonian
Down-Under


 

 





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